Waters needs to control his posters better.

[neverlander]

He is now allowing his posters to trash private citizens.
This crosses all lines, everywhere. The particular citizens being attacked
are not likely to let it go. I hope he has sense enough to handle it.

I remember him on this board pointing out the inappropriatness of it.
One individual has told me they have had all of it they are going to take,
this is the second time he has been called on it.
He needs to inform his posters that they must cease and desist!

[skywv]

1. Waters needs to control his posters better.

How many places are you going to post this same topic? Do you know ANYTHING about message boards? The normal rules are that you post one topic.. one time.

Now, as I addressed this on your OTHER post of the same topic, I will repeat it here:

I cant be at the computer 24/7. Unlike you, I HAVE a life. I cant control all the children who post to my messageboard every second of the day. And let's not forget that YOUR side made the same awful posts a few weeks ago.. both on my board AND here. I had them ALL removed. Even the DU has sense enough not to allow slanderous posts about private persons.

So my advice to you is... Get a life. You might actually like getting away from the Nitro madness for a while.

[neverlander]

2. Happy to oblige

I would love to get away from the Nitro stuff, but I have to live in it.

Get the woman's name off the board and keep it off, please sir.

Actually I came back here to delete this, but you had already responded.
I probably should not have posted twice, but I wanted to be sure you found it.

Believe it or not, I do not want anyone fighting.

Just a suggestion...maybe your posters need to be reminded about private names.

This thread will surely die if we leave it alone.

In the spirit of fairness NO I do not expect you to monitor 24/7 and ZI know you well enough
to know you will handle it now that you know it!!!
We disagree, but you are not an ogre.

[Name removed]

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[skywv]

4. Good advice Jerry - Give it to Karen K Fritz

Dirty tactics like this is what I don't approve of. You hide behind a screen name and lay out people lives from FORTY years ago as though they happened yesterday. I suppose (whoever you are) have never made a mistake in your life... have no skeletons in YOUR closet eh? But we'll never know because you will continue to hide like a snake... only coming out long enough to strike.

Public information? You are implying that as though you can find these things on the internet or something. No, only law enforcement or someone with some political power can. And then to pass that information on to citizen cronies like you to broadcast all over the world is an abuse of any authorities use of power. The Gestapo used the exact same tactics in WWII to gather information on people they didn't like.

I had some of your former posts removed from here already. And believe me, DU doesn't do this lightly. They know that when it comes to playing dirty on the Net, there's a limit even for them.

My aide? I haven't been involved with Nitro for a year and a half. I post the latest news stories, just like and other story. The message board AIDES anyone for any subject, including South Charleston, Dunbar, Charleston, and every other subject someone wants to bring up. My AIDE stopped a year and a half ago when I became bored with all the nonsense, both real and imagined. Now, it's like every other story to me: Either it's interesting, or it isnt.

But I'll tell you one thing: If a group of certain people (mostly elected officials) hadnt acted like fools for about a two year period in Nitro... none of this would be happening right now. They all brought it on themselves, while YOU try to blame Karen. She didn't have anything to do with the "Donut Caper" or the dirty pictures or the screaming at private citizens from Council meetings or a lot of other out of control things that happened there. That was all NITROS doing, that brought public attention and scrutiny down on their heads. So don't act like some crusading victim here because Nitro deserved to be looked at... at the rate it was going crazy.

[chocolot]

5. To Jerry from SS

I do not giva ahoot about all this other stuff. I do not post on your board.
I do not care about your board, except for one thing.
My name is scattered all over your board, from a trip to the Hosp. to a meeting I attended.

Mr Waters I am a private citizen who is trying to live.

I can only say this:

GET MY NAME OFF OF YOUR BOARD, EVERY REFERENCE TO ME REMOVED!

I have sent you emails, and ask nicely. I mean it.

[skywv]

6. To Jerry from SS

I have removed some more posts. I thought they were borderline at best, but since I am a much bigger person than WvWildfire (who posts dirty rotten tactics every singe day here, and which NOBODY seems to be bothered by), I have posted the following to my board:

I have deleted many posts on this thread already. Don't make me delete more. Don't get personal with people. Stick to the issues of Nitro government and those who do and WILL operate the city.

As far as Sutherland: She was mentioned in this article which I posted earlier, but you'll notice that I didn't post ALL of the article as I didnt see a reason to. Having said that, it is a matter now of the Press that she is involved with the campaign.

March 22, 2008
Montgomery announces Nitro candidacy
Retired state tax department attorney and Nitro resident John Montgomery will announce plans to run for the office of Nitro Mayor.

Retired state tax department attorney and Nitro resident John Montgomery will announce plans to run for the office of Nitro Mayor at 7:30 p.m. Monday at the Nitro Womans Club, 23rd Street and Second Avenue in Nitro.

For more information, contact Sherri Sutherland at 755-##.
http://www.wvgazette.com/News/200803210616

Now, that's ALL the information that the Press has elected to publish. This means that no one here has the right to jump on her PERSONALLY for backing Montgomery. If you want to say she's backing the wrong candidate, or that she's wasting her time etc... that's fine. But she's not running for mayor and so she's not the one to investigate in any personal way... her motives.

My advice is to stick to the issue of WHAT Nitro plans for the future instead of nit-picking every little personal affair about anyone other than those running for office.

Now... Does anyone have a problem? Is that being MORE than fair? I think so.

[chocolot]

7. Thank YOU!

I do appreciate your quick attention!!
I agree that should take care of the problem.
Hopefully, your posters will honor your wishes,
and I believe you will deal with them if they do not.
Again, I thank you, you are a gentleman!

[wvwildfire07]

8. Information Available at Any Courthouse

Jerry, Criminal records are public information. All you have to do is go to (for example) the Kanawha County Courthouse. Any citizen mind you - you don't have to be in law enforcement.

Look up the criminals name and you can find all of their charges and the disposition of the cases.

I have done just that. I didn't get my informatin second hand from anyone.

as for things not being relevant when they are more than a dozen years old. I guess that is another of your double standards. When Karen and Wanda Carney get it out there it is news. When the same is done to them its a personal attack.

GET WITH IT JERRY - YOUR DOUBLE STANDARD SPEAK IS CLEAR TO EVERYONE NOW - WE ALL KNOW YOU AND YOUR CRONIES ARE FRAUDS.

[skywv]

9. Information Available at Any Courthouse

The information YOU posted is NOT available at "any" courthouse. It is ONLY available through official NCIC channels. And if ANY official allows "official duty" NCIC records out to the public, that official can be in a great deal of trouble.

Let's break this down a little further: You did NOT get this information through any local courthouse. The ONLY courthouse that might hold this information is 3000 miles away. So, did you drive there to get it? I think not. You couldnt if you'd wanted to. (There are reasons for this that I wont go into). So the question is, what "official channels" allowed you to have information, for NO REASON AT ALL other than to use Gestapo tactics of intimidation on it's citizens?

Now, think about my questions carefully before you answer, because the law has rules pertaining to this that must be followed, and I want to hear how you followed them.

Finally, I've asked this question 100 times: What does 40 years ago have to do with Nitro in the last 10? Answer? NOTHING! You are SO desperate to get even that that you will stoop to any level to do it, even to the point of bringing up 40 year history that amounts to nothing.

Fact is, if it were ME you were talking about, know what I would say? I say "So what? Are you just jealous that no one would look at you naked?" Hahaha!

[wvwildfire07]

15. Info Direct From California Courts

Jerry, of course the California court records are not available at the Kanawha County Courthouse. But they are available in the California Courthouses.

No, I did not drive 3000 miles. But I did, put my money where my mouth is and paid to have someone go to the courthouse and research, just like I would in the Kanawha County Courthouse or Cabell County Courthouse (to view all counties court records).

As for your comment about me wanting to go to the courthouse in California even if I wanted to I couldn't (for reasons you wont go into). There are no reasons, If I had wanted to I would have. I am not on home confinement or being held to the boundaries of Kanawha County or the State of West Virginia. What reasons would keep me from going anywhere, Jerry, YOU ARE STARTING TO SOUND LIKE KAREN FRITZ.

As for your question: What does 40 years ago have to do with Nitro in the last 10? I would say nothing. But it was not me but your good friend Karen who has made personal information that predates a decade relevant. The reason it is being flung back at Karen, is because she puts herself out there as some kind of squeaky clean. My point is everyone has skeletons in there closet and if you are going to dig more than a decade on someone and try to paint them in a false light. DON'T BE SURPRISED WHEN THE SAME THING HAPPENS TO YOU.

As for stooping to any level. You call me out on it and anyone who disagrees with you and Karen. Jerry, I have not made a mockery of people on any website. I have not taken information predating a decade to the news media and try to get it printed and run on the news. I have not spread lies to keep someone from voting for a new candidate. But you and Karen have.

As for your comment about the Prowling and Indescent Exposure Incidents that were cited you would say if it were you, "SO WHAT? ARE YOU JUST JEALOUS THAT NO ONE WOULD LOOK AT YOU NAKED?"

Are you serious. The man was charged and spent two years on probation. I don't think the person who filed the charges thought it was a SO WHAT incident. Funny how you minimize incidents when people are close to you and call them freaks and perverts when they are not.

[skywv]

16. Direct From California Courts

First: I don't believe you as far as I can throw you. That information simply isn't that available and THATS what I was referring to.

Second: KAREN has NO skeletons in HER closet, unlike yourself. Karen couldnt control ANYONE that she HAD NEVER MET... before she met them! Can you read the words coming out of my mouth? No one... and I mean NO ONE, has any control over people they DON'T KNOW. Not her.. not you! So why accuse HER of some bonehead incident that happened 40 YEARS AGO THAT SHE HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH?

Stop now, your dirty tactics are are both embarrassing and beneath ANY human being. Stick to the issues for a change.

Again, if it were me, I'd laugh in your face and say "Would you like a nice photo to go with your 40 year old information on me?" Hahaha...

[wvwildfire07]

17. It is Available Jerry

Are you telling me that the information I received from a reputable firm in California is fraudelant. I don't think so.

As for her controlling someone she doesn't know. About it being 40 years ago. I don't think her husband is over 80.

AGAIN, YOU MINIMIZE THE INCIDENTS WHEN IT SUITS YOU BECAUSE OF YOUR FRIENDSHIPS. BUT GO ON THE ATTACK AGAINST OTHERS FOR LESS.

As for laughing in my face, you would never get the opportunity.

As for DIRTY TACTICS. I have taken lessons from the best, Karen Fritz, Jerry Waters.

As for no skeletons in her closet. We will see Jerry and the truth will be told.

[neverlander]

10. Perhaps

wvwildfire is not the only person angry as hell with Karen and the number is growing daily.
Her newest complaint about garbage men taking peoples trash and recycling it being illegal or unethical really takes the cake. Or the one about the police not removing a car from a street because it had a Fla plate and did not pay WV tax. Or how about the one where she complained that 8 firemen are too many. The one about the PC double dipping when he had saved the citizens about 10 grand by giving of his time and equipment that was thrown out of court. The claims that the treasurer had stolen money that an audit said is not missing. She now claims the audit was fixed!!!!!!
Face it Jerry, your precious Karen has some sort of problem, perhaps Jack Swint could help her. Maybe she needs a physician...that wouldn't work though since she would probably think she was smarter than the doctor and wouldn't listen anyway.

Karen may not have had anything to do with the things a couple of Councilmen did to discredit themselves, but Karen has caused a lot of damage to Nitro. She started out sincere but has incessantly pounded her way into every department in the city government. She has trashed people who were trying to do their best. She has created utter chaos in a city full of normally calm and happy people. She even attacked the churches.
It is as if the devil himself has ascended on our town and whether you and Karen and her followers like it or not we DO NOT WANT HER HERE continually interfering.

She thinks she is smarter, better, and more able to handle problems (whether they exist or not) than any other human being on the darn planet. She has stood up in council meetings and stated that she HAD TO HELP the poor people in Nitro because THEY WERE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO HELP THEMSELVES!!!!! What gives her the right!!!!!!!!!!!
Nitro has been in existence since 1918, Karen has been here about 4 years, we have been just fine without her unneeded help. We are sick of Karen, we did not elect Karen, we did not ask her for her stinking help, we do not want her "assistance" anymore.

Now she is trashing anyone who dares to support any candidate in the upcoming election that is not her pick!!! She is attacking people just because they support someone else. She says she will continue to act as if she is the only one who knows what is good for Nitro, because she DOES know what is best for Nitro. She knows nothing of the sort!!!

You really would have fewer problems with these message boards if you had not been so supportive of KAREN.
Karen is like a bad storm...everyone is relieved when it is over. Karen will stop her crap, I promise you.
Many people have had more than enough of Karen! We are going to stand up to her and tell her to shut up in the future. She is not now and because of her actions will never be welcome in Nitro by more than a few disgruntled ex city employees and an ex mayor who never got over being beaten!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Nitro does not need a MOTHER!!!! You can continue to support her every move, but you should expect to be boiled in the pot with her by the people of Nitro. We are going to be boycotting any business that supports her, if the local grocer agrees with her and helps her, we will not shop there and he will know it, any person or entity that supports her is fair game. BTW goes for Agnello too, when he supports her his advertisers have been being called and told we will boycott them as well. We will protest and picket, whatever it takes. We are tired of the crap and we will not take it anymore. Boycotts are as old as the hills, they are a good way to make people aware of an issue or a problem, we will use them any way we can. Any other legal form of protest will be utilized as well. We will put a stop to the madness in Nitro and have our peaceful town back from the grips of the people who have ruined our peace!! We will not stop until we have Nitro back.

I am sorry Jerry, for Karen, you, Nitro and it's citizens, myself, everyone involved. She has to STOP THIS. and let someone else deal with it for awhile!!!!!!

[skywv]

12. Perhaps

Let's get one thing straight right now: I do NOT support Karen "in her every move". I have disagreed with some of her moves several times. Not because I thought she was wrong, but because I knew those moves would get her no-where and wind-up creating more problems than they would solve. Just because you're RIGHT, doesn't always mean that you have RIGHT on your side (if you understand what I'm trying to say).

Sometimes it's best to leave things be, because people (especially West Virginians) are the most hard-headed of of all, and that's why we're always dead last in everything. But West Virginians don't seem to be bothered by that whatsoever, as long as they can "keep on keeping on". Karen is doing what she thinks is right, that I DO know. And in doing so, she's taking a lot of heat. I know how this feels because I've been the same way all my life and have been a lightning rod myself. But there's one thing I DID learn after many years: Choose your battles wisely, and only take-on those you're willing to devote time, effort and even your health to. As I got older, I decided it was time to stop tilting at windmills and just watch others do it for awhile. I feel a lot better too! My message board is just for fun. I take little seriously anymore (because I know you cant change a West Virginians mind) and I just sit back and mostly observe.

Karen hasn't reached that point yet. She still thinks there's HOPE in the world. She still thinks people want HONEST government. She's dumb enough to believe that there are those willing to leave their all-you-can-eat buffets long enough to give a damned about Nitro. Hahaha! I told her a long time ago "have fun, because you don't know what you're up against". And that's the way it is here in "The Twilight Zone", where nothing ever changes, and God help the person who even TRIES! (She still hasn't quite gotten that message)

Again, I cant stress you you enough how uninterested I am in all this. I'm not getting PAID to be interested anymore. I follow it like everyone else... like a never ending soap opera. And occasionally I make a comment like everyone else. But I don't get involved with all the personal bickering because since I don't live there, I have no comment about anyones personal issues, plus I don't care. Little of these strange stories effect Nitro government in any way and so it's a time waster for me.

[neverlander]

14. I DO understand what you are saying

I have said essentially the same thing in a different way.
Remember the saying about stirring the *&^% and making it stink!

Sometimes the best thing to do is nothing!
At this point in our little town that is the case.
The election is 2 months away. People are campaigning, voters are chosing.
I just wish we caould get past all the polarity and move on.

That can not and will not happen if she does not give it a rest.
She just keeps stirring the *&^% and making it stink.
That is not good for Nitro, or it's citizens.
I will give her , and you, the benefit of the doubt concerning her motives, but
if waht you say is true and she is truly concerned about what is best,
she needs to step back and take another look. What she is doing NOW is looking like a
power struggle, not help!!!

[pwdgroup]

11. FYI - Internet

Folks,

Just want to pass this along.....

You do know that everything you post on this DU ends up on every internet search engine available. Like Google, Yahoo etc.

So, not only are you posting this for local, and WV citizens to read, it also is going out to the ENTIRE WORLD to see. I learned the hard way myself.

Take care,

Sam

:think:

[neverlander]

13. I know Sam

This is a place to post you opinion about local/state/national politics. That is my opinion and the opinion of others I know personally. We are really exhausted with all the stuff. If others see it perhaps they can offer some help in resolving this whole thing. I am sure other little towns have had similar problems.

[Name removed]

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[neverlander]

19. Post here if you ain't skeered

http://theplacetogonitro.freeforums.org/

This board is for Nitro.