Here Is A Question Poll Nitro Should Not Like The Results To

[pwdgroup]

PWDGroup polled five local WV news agencies yesterday on their feelings and thoughts on why the Nitro Casino Owners have not begun table games and or the hotel construction? And the current pending lawsuit with THF.

It was also to learn of their interest in Nitro and basic knowledge of what is going on.

This poll was conducted by e-mail.
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Four people responded. And we attest to the truth and validity of their responses.

1. Herald-Dispatch Reporter said they did not know because they do not cover Nitro news.

2. A Charleston News Director really had no idea about the casino games issues, and "off the top of my head" thought the county was helping Nitro financially.

3. A newspaper reporter said that the reason the table games are moving so slowly was because the casino owners did not know how to implement or get the games going. It was their first time doing this.

But, According to the casinos website they own in Florida this is not so, table games have been going for some time.

http://www.playmardigras.com/poker_room.shtml

4. This Charleston TV news caster basically said Nitro is getting just what they deserve. Because of their government officials unsatisfactory performance and the continuing financial mess. One comment said was...

"Nitro owes a TON of money, and the State may feel as though the town has been very irresponsible with those payments, or lack thereof. One could possibly make the inference that the State feels as though Nitro isn't taking things seriously that ABSOLUTELY NEED to be taken seriously. Kind of like the undisciplined child that keeps thinking he can get away with whatever he wants without any repercussions from his parents."
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Bottom line, you decide......

[formerfed]

1. What The F.....

WOW.... it seems that the media has no real clue about what is going on in Nitro? But they sure do write about it enough.

"Kind of like the undisciplined child that keeps thinking he can get away with whatever he wants without any repercussions from his parents."

Thats SWEET....Wander who said that?? Also says what some really feel but will not say openly or in the press.


:wtf:

[wvwildfire07]

2. Not Surprised - And This Nitro Residents Welcome IT!!!!

If you have done anything with your "INDEPENDENT POLLING" you have shown just how little the media knows about what is really going on in Nitro and you make that very clear from your 4 responses that came via email.

As for the one Charleston TV news caster had to say in your post above. Just who is this TV NEWSCASTER. If he is a newscaster then he should have no problem standing behind his statement. In fact from the excerpt from the email, he supposedly sent stating the following:

"Nitro owes a TON of money, and the State may feel as though the town has been very irresponsible with those payments, or lack thereof. One could possiby make the inference that the State feels as though NItro isn't taking things seriously that ABSOLUTELY NEED to be taken seriously. Kind of like the undisciplined child tha keeps thinking he can get away with whatever he wants without any repercussions from his parents."

Well first of all, what is included in this "TON" of money. The new treasurer has been more than clear, they owed approximately $400,000 last month. That was made of everything the city owed, Including current obligations. This has them about 60 - 90 days out. Nothing unusual. A 4.5 million dollar budget you expect to spend about half on salaries the other in expenses to run the city. That is the city should be spending (not including salary) $187,000 a month on normal expenses for the city. A city running 60 - 90 days out that would have their "BILLS THEY OWE" at
$187,000 a month times three months (90 days) = $562,000. The treasurer stated a month ago that the city owed about $400,000.

WHERE IS THE "TON" OF MONEY THIS NEWSCASTER IS REFERRING TO.

There were alot of comments about the State in his excerpt. Could this have anything to do with the monies the STATE BOARD OF RISK IS STILL CLAIMING THE CITY OF NITRO OWES. Someone at the STATE needs to investigate the STATE BOARD OF RISK. And what they are charging municipalities in this state for coverage. The City of Nitro has paid more to the board of risk in the last 10 years than the State has ever had to pay out on their behalf.

SO BASICALLY THE CITY IS PAYING THE STATE MONEY TO SELF INSURE THEMSELVES. PAYING THEIR CLAIMS AND A SMALL PREMIUM TO THE BOARD OF RISK.

If I was the BOARD OF RISK I would make a stink to and try to allege it is the City of Nitro not the Board of Risk in error.

EVERY SMALL CITY SHOULD CHECK THEIR BILLS AN THEIR PAYOUTS FROM THE BOARD OF RISK. I THINK THEY WILL BE IN FOR A SURPRISE.

Again, you poll is neither scientific or legit. If any of these so called, "NEWS MAKERS" want to go on the record. Bring them with their names forward. Otherwise, your poll is nothing more than more propaganda being thrown at the city needlessly.

[formerfed]

3. Your personall take on this poll

The poll is very legit, as always, you appear not to be able to believe anything anyone says unless you are the one saying it.

And, why would you welcome a poll that shows just how little, and how biased the media really is toward Nitro. It shows two things.

1. They really do not care or understand what is going on.

2. That Nitro is getting what it deserves insomuch as the "Jerry Springer" day to day atmosphere there is a joke to them and most of WV. Your real financial problems are your own doing, and all of the officials are acting like a bunch of spoiled ass brats.

Personally, I would be upset if the media made these comments, especially if they are untrue about Nitro.

Even the one from the Herald-Dispatch saying they did not report on Nitro. Actually they have a putnam county reporter who has written about Nitro. Everyone in the state knows about Nitro, and not in the best possible light.

Look at the big picture, IT APPEARS THAT THE MEDIA DOES NOT REALLY GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT NITRO, WHICH MEANS THEY DONT CARE IF THEY ARE ACCURATE IN THEIR REPORTING. AND, THEY FEEL YOUR ACTING LIKE A BUNCH OF SPOILED KIDS AND DESERVE TO BE DISCIPLINED BY YOUR PARENTS. (Who are the county & the State)

But, in all sadness, Im beginning to understand why they feel like this.

And just what does science have to do with this??? It does not take a rocket scientist to write an e-mail to five media outlets asking simple questions??

I honestly think you are the type of person who believes if you cant dazzle people with brilliance, you try and baffle them with BS.

You are part of the reason Nitro is getting grinded into the dirt.

Anyone with any sense at all would take the polled information and at the least know now to stay out of the media light, or makesure they report the facts!!!!

Someone told me the other day..... (and yes they were in the media, and it wasnt a science project)

"if God were to give the world an enema, he would stick the hose in Nitro."

And finally,

If you really believed what you say, you would sign your true name to your words instead of a made up screen name that you can hide behind and continue spewing your vennom like a snake in the grass.

Try signing it, or at least use your initials. Something simple like

" TT "......

[pwdgroup]

4. Poll

Well I am not going to be as harsh as the "formerfed" but, the poll is not scientific, we sent out some e-mails with simple questions and some responded. It is a very legitimate and simple process.

What the results actually show is a lack of true knowledge, and genuine concern for the Nitro dilemma. For one tv personality to say Nitro is getting what they deserve, is sad, and pretty well sums it up as to the majority of the media for Nitro.

For a NEWS DIRECTOR of a TV station not to be up on the facts also shows a real lack of concern, and could be construed as an "dont know, dont care" to say something "off the top of my head" (which was the quote) pretty much means just that.

For a newspaper reporter who covers the news, stating an incorrect reason for the table games not being implemented shows a lack of knowledge to the facts.

As for the HD saying they do not know, and dont cover Nitro actually says the same thing. Dont know, dont care.... thats especially a concern because that person was actually the metro editor. Oddly enough, the HD does have a Putnam reporter and I think part of Nitro is in Putnam.

But for a TV anchor to basically say Nitro is getting what they deserve (off the record) is very alarming. And that they are acting like children etc... is very alarming.

So, I would be a bit concerned if I was Nitro as to the real position the media has on your city, politics and current issues. Id want them to be enthused and concerned and report the news with complete accuracy.

Being from a media background, that is important.

Sam

[neverlander]

5. Ok guys

Here is the real truth from the inside of this mess. I agree your poll is probably correct, but why?

You claim it is what the people and the officials in Nitro have done.
YOU ARE PLAIN WRONG!

This is exactly what the auditors report said.

Point one the problems were cumulative over a period of many years.

Following is a quote concerning the current officer's:

THE CITY'S REVENUES AND EXPENSES AS COMPARED TO BUDGET:
Attachment C is the City's internally prepared Budget vs. Actual report,
showing revenues and expenditures to date as compared to the City's annual budget.
This report shows the City's expenditures exceed it's revenues by $199,000
for the period ended October 31, 2007.

That CLEARLY says $199 K over budget...not a million, not several hundreds of thousands.

This is only one of many misreported "facts"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You discuss the fact that the media has misrepresented Nitro without placing the BLAME for that where it belongs.
That blame does not belong with the City or it's officials. They are not the ones who reported skewed and false facts.

The activist KF and her bunch of "assistants" are the sources of these misreported "facts"

These folks have known personal vendettas, agendas that include placing themselves in positions of power.
They are trouble stirrers that have done immeasurable damage to the City and it's people.

I wish everyone would get it correct or keep out of it! That includes anyone who is aiding in perpetuating the false reports and innuendos that have plagued us for years now. This is like a meddling mother in law who keeps tearing at a perfectly good marriage until it ends in divorce. People will repeat what they read and hear whether it is true or not and continually posting/re posting false quotes from uninformed people is part of the problem.
This current administration is only a small part of the problem, the real PROBLEM is the the people that are attempting to take control of the City. I am going to start referring to them as the "insurgents" and their attempts as the "coup". Perhaps then people will begin to understand what is actually happening here!

Muslims in Iraq can threaten People and we jump our butts on planes and run to their aid, but people can try to take over and destroy a city full of innocent people trying to live quiet decent peaceful lives and no one gives a hoot!

[skywv]

6. OK Guys what?

I only know what I read in the paper, and these reports are from your current city treasurer: (Gazette) I'm not arguing the point, but what would you expect the AVERAGE reader of the news to make of all this?

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Earlier this week, Nitro officials asked the Kanawha County Commission for a $400,000 bailout. They told Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper the city owed about $648,000 in overdue bills.

But Carper discovered Friday that city officials apparently raided a special escrow account to help pay the city's bills. He now believes the city's true debt to be nearly $1 million.

Last year, developers of the Nitro Marketplace shopping center sued the city for failure to pay back business and occupation taxes as provided by an old development agreement. City officials thought the deal -- cut with THF Nitro Development LLC in the 1990s - wasn't fair to the city.

City officials agreed to put the contested money into an escrow account until the lawsuit is settled.

Carper learned Friday that the escrow account should have close to $1.2 million. Instead, there was only about $856,000 in the account – a shortage of more than $317,000.

Carper said the city's existing budget shortage of $648,000, plus the THF shortage bring the city's outstanding debt to almost $1 million.

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For a city looking at almost $1 million in red ink on its ledgers, the last thing Nitro City Council wanted to hear was that its debt is growing, not shrinking.

However, that is exactly what acting City Treasurer John Young said during Tuesday’s City Council session.

He said he had a disagreement with representatives from the Public Employees Insurance Agency over how much is owed by the city. Over the weekend, Young went through the city’s books and learned — much to his chagrin — that PEIA was right and the city debt was higher than previously estimated.

An additional $111,000 was added to the debit column of the city’s books.
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Nitro has about $20,000 in the bank after paying employees this week. A $200,000 advance on building fees from Tri-State Racetrack & Gaming Center to be deposited this week will help pay some of the bills, but more bills are looming.

Further demands for payment of past-due bills and looming deadlines still mean a cash crunch for the city, acting city treasurer John Young informed members of Nitro City Council in a letter this week.

According to the letter, given to members of council on Tuesday, accountants still believe city officials spent almost $200,000 more than they collected in revenue this year. City officials still owe almost $680,000 in outstanding bills, including increasing insurance premiums.
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[neverlander]

8. Why the misinformation?

Two reasons come to the forfront. Rusty Casto and The Activist.
Both skewed information to suit their own needs.

The activist had to build a case for WHY she should be elected, along with her partner DK>
Casto has been Casto for 12 years, there is no difference now.

If you can't see from the discrepancies in your OWN post that the information has been misreported then you are not as smart as I gave you credit for. Problem all around is opening mouths before engaging brains, at least for those who have any brains.

The facts are in black and white, in the auditors report, the financial records, if anyone had taken the time to look...WITHOUT PERSONAL AGENDAS, they could have seen. The campaign to skew the perception was a brilliant one, I must admit.

Sky, if you have any sense of fairness at all, I challenge you to check it out for yourself. Not what those around you tell you, see for yourself. If you are not willing to do that, (and I know you haven't up to now since you have made many errors) the stop defending the unknown.

I will agree, however that the people SHOULD be confused and not know what to think. My point is that it was designed to be that way by those who have their own agendas and presented the facts either in partiallity, or just plain falsely.

[skywv]

10. Why the misinformation?

The Casto & KF reference is a cop-out. The information came directly from the current city treasurer. There's no way to dispute that because he was quoted.

[neverlander]

11. Put in you quotes

Put in your "quotes" if you want a response to them, and keep them in context.
KF has in fact been a leader in the misinformation and media mess in Nitro.
She has spun information so much it has turned into mud.

[wvwildfire07]

7. Guess Again

First of all you agree with me. You agree that the media knows very little about what is really going on in Nitro. And that is from the lack of leadership the city has. The fact that it has a Mayor who would rather wipe seats down at the Power Park than run the city.

If the city had a leader like a Charleston Mayor Danny Jones or Kanawha County Commission President Kent Carper, the media frenzy that was created around the city never would have materialized.

You said that you would take it personally about the media making untrue comments, WHY DO YOU THINK THAT WE AS RESIDENTS ARE SO ANGRY?

If the media didn't give a, (as you say) rats ass about Nitro) then they wouldn't report on it. The fact of the matter is they do care, about Nitro in so much as those in power want the perception of the city to be one of chaos.

As for me being part of the reason Nitro is getting ginded into the dirt. I will agree with you, the fact that I didn't get involved with my city until it was in the height of media frenzy, yes that is my fault.

As for putting up facts, I have never posted anything that I haven't verified. If you feel I have posted anything that was false please put it up so I can confirm.


You call me out because I don't use my real name on this board. I see you posting, "FORMERFED" I am guessing that is not your real name. If you really believed what you were saying according to your standard you would be posting under your name instead of a made up screen name that you can hide behind and continue spewing your vennom like a snake in the grass.

As for you asking me to sign my post or at least use my initials. You put up "TT".

Sorry, my initials are not "TT" but I will give you my initials they are "RP"

I think I know who you are trying to imply that I am. But you are wrong.

If you would like to speak with me on the phone, give me your name and I will be happy to speak with you.

[neverlander]

9. Question

Why does it matter WHO puts up the info if it is correct?
I do not care if it is TT, or RP, or abc! Just get it right.
Most of what wildfire has posted is correct. A little caustic, but correct.

Wildfire may have stepped over the line in anger, but his/her facts have been right. I will not discount the information because the delivery could have been better, and I would hope no one else would either.