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tuvor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Apr-04-06 11:42 PM
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You wish, Stevie.
Harper has come out strong about Canada's commitment to fighting the Taliban in Afghanistan.

"The threats we face have been here for quite awhile and they are significant and they are not going away if we ignore them, or if we retreat or pretend they're not out there," he said.

"They're very real. The people and the people like them who destroyed the World Trade Center would equally like to destroy this country. And it's going to be a long-term job to make sure we protect our citizens from that kind of threat."

Harper said he hasn't considered doing a colour-coded threat alert, similar to what they have in the U.S.

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2006/04/04/harper060404.html
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:21 AM
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1. Deranged Idiot...
good posting--few outlets decided to quote that one...very strange that the World Trade Center is front and center in the creep's response to "significant security risks,".

Looks like Harper has been living in a bubble really and that might be why he wants so little contact with the media...the shit rattling around in that braincase ain't good.
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Apr-05-06 11:25 AM
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2. As usual, Harper is out of the loop, he thinks bush's terra, terra, terra
9/11, 9/11, 9/11 is still working and that Canadians will buy into it, roflmao, he is delusional to say the least.
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laundry_queen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 01:54 AM
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3. I cannot believe he brought that up.
I simply cannot roll my eyes far enough into the back of my head for that comment.
This Bush-lite crap won't go over well with Canadians. Most people I know (Most are Cons too, I live in Jay Hill country :puke: ) have been making fun of Bush for YEARS whenever he brings up 9/11. I think (I HOPE) most will see right through this. Even here in the West.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 08:32 AM
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4. This may sell well enough
Edited on Thu Apr-06-06 08:37 AM by Bragi
Consider that some 35-40 per cent of Canadians said, in polls on the eve of war, that they wanted Canadian troops to go into Iraq with Bush. Had Chretien heeded their advice, one assumes that their spokespeople, principally Harper, along with the government, would have then been pleased to invite Canadian newsmedia to join them in wearing "Support Our Troops" lapel pins on their blazers, and to tell to their hearts content the brave stories of our soldiers, and to hail their selfless sacrifices.

If presented with this game plan, how do you think Canadian media would react? Traditionally, large swaths have responded to patriotic enticements by standing up their full inches, and declaring in unison "ready, aye, ready" while picking up the pen, as their weapon of war. Do you think that with this kind of political and media campaign in favour of war, that the government could not have convinced another 10 per cent of Canadians that maybe war was necessary and unavoidable? And would successfully completing this Lilliputian political task not have made it possible for Harper the democrat to then make without repudiation a Bush-like claim that a clear majority of his citizens favour the government's course of action?

The right answers are yes and yes. At this point, as a nation, Canadians would then be more deeply, and maybe more bitterly, divided on foreign policy issues than at any time in recent memory, perhaps ever. And while everyone would sincerely regret that tempers have become so hot, still, many people, especially leaders in Washington and Ottawa, would be pleased that Canadian public opinion on foreign affairs was now so well aligned with that of our US neighbours. This harmonization would be celebrated as evidence of closer friendship.

I offer the above thoughts to left and centre-left Canadians who suffer from "it can't happen here, we're not the US" syndome.

- B
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 12:10 PM
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5. If you look at the more recent polls, Canadians have spoken strongly
on two key issues: First and foremost, over 70% detest bush and all he stands for and, second, the support for any involvement in Iraq has diminished a great deal from those first polls just prior and just after the invasion.

There is NO way Canadians will fall for the "we have to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here' meme that even Americans no longer buy.
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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 07:08 AM
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8. Wish it was just a meme
Edited on Fri Apr-07-06 07:22 AM by Bragi
With the cons now at 41 per cent, good enough for a majority, I think we are fighting more than a "meme" (?).

As the NDP continues to bash the Liberals in the House, and plays kissy face with Harper, and as the Libs continue their march into leadership contest cacaphony, Harper steadily gains strength, and the prospect of decade-long rule of Canada by right wing neocons grows increasingly likely.

Meanwhile, in true whistling-past-the-graveyard style, Canada's leftie internet cybermilitants here and elsewhere comfort each other by pretending that Harper is fading fast.

Well, as today's poll shows, he isn't fading at all. What's fading are the propsects of stopping him from getting a majority.

- B
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Wabbajack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 09:30 AM
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10. Do you have link to this poll result?
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 04:09 PM
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11. LOL, it is a meme, talking about polls is irrelevant to the subject, imo
Canadians don't support going into Iraq, don't support bush and his policies, are increasingly unhappy about Afghanistan, those are facts.
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MrPrax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 02:32 PM
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6. Tory pap...
Come on...I don't actually have a problem with YOU being a Tory, I just have a problem with you pretending to be something else...

"Had Chretien heeded their advice"...???? Heeded what...a minority opinion largely skewed by Alberta? Nuts...

I offer the above thoughts to left and centre-left Canadians who suffer from "it can't happen here, we're not the US" syndome.

LOL...funny...the posted topic is about Harper invoking irrational 'fear' as support for his reckless and 'liberal' deployment in AF and you think it's an invite to ask "left and centre-left Canadians" (like you?) for an opinion on troop deployment in Iraq?

Yeah sure...no one is immuned to the 'terrahists'--what this has to do with what the US is doing, I don't know...

Your not even a very good Tory...

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Bragi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-07-06 07:13 AM
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9. You are ridiculous
If you can read through my postings and conclude that I'm a Tory, then you are just a ridiculous know-nothing about anything.

Alternately, if you are so opposed to anyone who raises the prospect of uniting the centre and centre-left vote as to knowingly lie about them, then you are just a garden-variety NDP stalwart, more interested in partisan gain than doing what is right for the country.

So which are you: ridiculus, or just a garden-variety partisan? Enquiring minds want to know.

- B
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ConcernedCanuk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-06-06 11:39 PM
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7. Who exactly wants to destroy Canada???
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.
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From Stevie-Babble:

"The people and the people like them who destroyed the World Trade Center would equally like to destroy this country."

and "equally" ???

Naaah, even if there's a grain of truth in this babble, I'm sure the USA is ahead of us on this imaginary destruction list.

And "destroy" us?

That'd be hard to do - heck, even the USA with 100's of billions of dollars and it's mega War-Machine can't destroy Iraq -

Sure, they messed it up pretty bad, but it's far from being destroyed.

USA is in self-destruct mode, doing more to hurt itself than any terror organization from across the globe could have dreamed of.

terra terra terra, right out of the Boy-King's playbook, Stevie.

We are waiting to see if you have any original thoughts

Waiting . . .

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