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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:30 PM
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Poll question: Would you support Canadian membership of the European Union?
Edited on Wed Feb-02-05 02:32 PM by Anarcho-Socialist
I know it's not likely in the near future, but it is not an impossibility. Greenland was once a member of the E.U. but left of it's own accord. Would you support Canada joining the E.U. if membership was offered? Please post any comments you may have.

EDIT: typos
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nickinSTL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:31 PM
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1. Greenland left?
Denmark allowed that?

Greenland is still owned by Denmark, right?

Weird. Asserting more independence from Denmark, I assume.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:33 PM
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2. Greenland is still officially Danish, but has self-government
Denmark is only responsible for the military defence of Greenland.
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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:34 PM
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3. If Canada were part of the EU
It would not be as easy for US politicians to threaten Canadas Leaders. I believe that Canadians have more in common with Europeans than with Americans to begin with so it seems a good fit, for trade, security etc.
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Sympleesmshn Donating Member (460 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 06:52 PM
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7. I agree
I would support our great Northern brethren either way.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 02:40 PM
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4. Yes absolutely
Canada shouldn't even wait for an invite...we should apply. The trade, the travel, the wider world it offers would be tremendous benefits to Canada
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neweurope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 03:01 PM
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5. I'm all for it - IF Canada gets out of NORAD and some other bilateral
contracts. Wouldn't want another US-spearhead in EU. Other than that - come and join :)
:hi:

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Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 04:43 PM
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6. Say... does that mean we'd adopt the Euro?
Now THAT would piss off our southern neighbours--"Old Europe" creeping up on the doorstep!

I'm for it!!! Let's annex the Turks and Caicos while we're at it!

:evilgrin:
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LeftistGorilla Donating Member (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-05 10:13 PM
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8. um no....
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hermetic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 09:38 AM
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9. Um, why not?
My first thought at seeing this question was "no" but after reading the replies and pondering it a bit it seems maybe not such a bad idea. I am all in favor of anything that would advance the economy of Canada. So I'm wondering what your argument is against it.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-05 12:27 PM
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10. nice idea
Edited on Thu Feb-03-05 12:28 PM by iverglas


But it wouldn't work.

For one thing, the EU involves free movement of people as well as goods and capital. There is effectively a border around the member states: enter one legally, and you can move to the next one with relative ease. That just wouldn't work with us having an ocean in between, and that great big undefended border to the south. I mean, it would work as far as the right to move across borders went, the right to live and work in one of the other countries, but the logistics would be difficult.

There's also just the whole natural flow of trade thing. We trade with the US because it is efficient to do so. Proximity is a very definite asset. And the two economies have been, to some extent, organized around that trade flow: the fact that we're each other's biggest trade partners obviously affects what we produce. To partner up with Europe instead, we'd likely have to make some big structural adjustments to our economy. Although they'd undoubtedly want some of our beef and grain and whatnot too, they couldn't really get access to our hydroelectricity and natural gas, for instance.

What we are doing is putting increasing emphasis on the Americas, e.g. through our relatively new membership in the Organisation of American States. And that makes sense, in terms of both trade and opportunities for global influence.

Here's one example of things being done at the Americas level:
http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/ai-ia/ridp-irpd/02/cartagena_e.cfm

DECLARATION OF CARTAGENA DE INDIAS

Within the framework of the commitments made at the Third Summit of the Americas of 2001, we the Ministers and highest appropriate governmental authorities responsible for cultural policies in the Americas met under the auspices of the Organization of American States (OAS) and within the framework of the Inter-American Council for Integral Development (CIDI) in order to discuss and take up in depth cooperation on cultural diversity and to establish more dynamic and efficient cooperation between our countries. For that purpose, we set forth the following declaration: ...
That kind of stuff (cultural diversity policy) -- and things like "democratic development":
http://www.acdi-cida.gc.ca/cida_ind.nsf/0/875d036adf5dbad285256c41004751c5?OpenDocument
-- are Canada's meat and potatoes in the international arena.

Of course, free trade is an eternal thorn:
http://www.straightgoods.com/item371.shtml
http://www.ichrdd.ca/english/commdoc/prelease/OASrights.html


edit -- But what I meant to say was: by all means, absolutely, we should diversify our trading relations, and strengthen our cultural and political relationships with other parts of the world, including the EU, whenever possible!

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HamiltonHabs32 Donating Member (465 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-04-05 11:26 AM
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11. thanks for that
Damn your posts are just full of information iver.. I was gonig to vote for yes just because I didnt know better.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-08-05 02:29 AM
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13. Globalization
It would work just fine, logistics and all.

Hydro and gas are neither here nor there. We have lots of things we could trade with Europe.

'Proximity' in today's world isn't even a question.

We are ALL in each other's backyard.
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Cascadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-07-05 09:15 AM
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12. The U.S. Dollar is slipping. Better tie your Dollar to the Euro.
I do not see the U.S. Dollar bouncing back anytime soon so it would be wise to tie the Canadian Dollar to the Euro or adapt the Euro as your currency. Bush's budget misadventures plus his misadventures in Iraq is nearly making the Dollar not even worthy of toilet paper. He keeps carrying on like this, it won't be.






John
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