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justinsb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:07 PM
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Same Sex Marriage the Law of the Land In Canada!!!!!!!!
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:08 PM
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1. That is SO very awesome!
One big step towards equality for ALL Canadians!
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HockeyMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:11 PM
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5. Oh, Canada
:loveya:
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Extend a Hand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:09 PM
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2. congratulations!
n/t
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swag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:09 PM
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3. Congratulations, Canada and all Canadians.
We love you, Canada!
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BattyDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-28-05 08:10 PM
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4. Congratulations Canada!
:woohoo: :applause: :yourock: :applause: :woohoo:


I hope that someday, the US will join you in the 21st century. :eyes:

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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 09:17 PM
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6. although Spain just beat us....
... to be the third country in the world to legalize same-sex marriage.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Render&inifile=futuretense.ini&c=Page&cid=968332188492&pubid=968163964505

oh well..... :eyes:

"We're Number Four!!... We're Number Four!!...."
:toast:
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-30-05 09:58 PM
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7. The Article
States that it could take as much as two weeks to become law. Listening to As It Happens tonight they said that the red carpeted senate will be working to bring in the legislation asap. In their words (aih) the race is on as to who will be first.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 01:35 PM
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8. listen, you guys! We WERE the FIRST!
Same-sex marriage didn't have to be "legalized" in Canada -- IT WAS NEVER ILLEGAL -- at least not since the adoption of the 1982 Constitution and the coming into effect of the equality provisions in 1985 (to give govts time to bring legislation into line).

If Parliament passed a law defining pizza as a breakfast food, would that mean that eating pizza for breakfast had previously been illegal??

The Courts started recognizing the right to same-sex marriage, and such marriages were validly performed, long before this Bill passed the House. It's a bit of a paradox ... but when the SCC or another court recognizes that something is unconstitutional, it isn't making it unconstitutional, it's "realizing", on our behalf, that it's unconstitutional.

Allow me to repeat what I said yesterday in LBN:



Canada was the third country to legalize same sex marriages, earlier this week, following the Netherlands and Belgium, and followed by Spain, today, which is the fourth country to do so.
There are two problems with this.

The first is that in a federal state, with divided jurisdictions over different matters, it may not be possible for the country to do something. "Canada" could not make all its municipalities bilingual, for instance, because municipalities are under provincial jurisdiction.

"The solemnization of marriage in the province" is under provincial jurisdiction, under the 1867 bit of Canada's constitution. "Marriage and divorce" are under federal jurisdiction.

There actually was never a law that made it illegal for same-sex couples to marry -- either by any definition of "marriage", federally, or by any rule regarding the issuance of marriage licences and performance of marriages, provincially. There was just the common law, which was superceded by the Constitution.

There were a couple of judicial decisions a number of years ago holding that same-sex couples could not require provincial authorities to issue marriage licences (based on the common law that preceded the Charter -- and so the decisions were plainly *wrong*); that's all.

The Canadian court cases, beginning in 2002, held that it was unconstitutional for provincial and territorial authorities to refuse to issue marriage licences to same-sex couples. Like any other unconstitutional practice, it was unconstitutional even before the courts said it was.

But the bottom line is: a Canadian jurisdiction was the first in the world to "solemnize" (perform) valid same-sex marriages.

http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/evolution/timeline.htm

2003 ... The Court of Appeal for Ontario decision (June10) changed the common-law definition of marriage, effective immediately and the January 14, 2001 marriages were declared legal and the government was ordered to register the marriages.
Those 2001 marriages were "legal" when they took place! As has been every same-sex marriage that has taken place since then.

"Canada" couldn't "legalize" them, because it had no jurisdiction to do so. (And note that the provincial courts had the authority to interpret and apply, or strike down, any federal jurisdiction on marriage that existed, as well, but they did not find that federal legislation prohibited same-sex marriages.)

The Netherlands wasn't first, and Belgium wasn't second, even though
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/equality/bel013003.htm
and
http://www.samesexmarriage.ca/equality/nthl010301.htm
say they were:

On April 1, 2001, The Netherlands became the first country in the world to legalize marriage for gays and lesbians.

On January 30, 2003, Belgium became the second country to open marriage to same-sex couples (marriages are expected to begin June 16, 2003 in the city of Ghent).

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 02:35 PM
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9. Gay common law marriage
was 'legalized' by the court here in 1999.
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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 02:47 PM
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10. that's the point I was just making here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=190&topic_id=6522&mesg_id=6595

And the <Supreme> Court has already held, for instance, that excluding same-sex couples from the definition of "spouses" in provincial legislation concerning spousal support obligations is unconstitutional:
http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/scc/1999/1999scc28.html

Of course, there's still no such thing as "common-law marriage". ;)

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Pierre Trudeau Donating Member (206 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:07 PM
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13. yeesh!!
OK thanks iverglas for clarifying all that. :crazy:

Yes, I was well aware of all the facts you have laid out; I was speaking more in terms of international perceptions.

So let me reword what I said to be more accurate:

"There are now four countries which officially recognize same-sex marriages: Belgium, the Netherlands, Spain, and Canada."

Forsooth, forsooth, do I speak the truth??

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iverglas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-05-05 01:53 PM
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14. now now, I wasn't talking right at you

It was just a generalized lecture (posted in response to the OP), you know. ;)


I was speaking more in terms of international perceptions.

I know indeed -- and those folks all need straightening out too!

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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-02-05 12:31 PM
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11. Was there much-- if any-- resistance to this law being passed?
Does Canada have very many religious right wing nuts?
If so, they obviously don't wield a lot of clout.

Congratulations for being so forward-thinking!!

One more question: are your media, on the whole, trustworthy?

cheers
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-04-05 09:45 PM
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12. Some resistance, but ...
Someone who works in the constituency office of a local Liberal MP told me that most of the phone calls seemed to be coming from south of the border. They also received a bunch of mail-in postcards from the States (distributed by right-wing religious groups, apparently).

So there were Canadians opposed to the law, but the best-organized and funded protests seemed to be coming from Bush's base.
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