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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 04:25 AM
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What if Blair was never under the spell of Bush
and did not join him in invading Iraq? How would the UK hqave turned out then? Would that have ended the special relationship?
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Hopeless Romantic Donating Member (495 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 06:20 AM
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1. Would he still be in office?
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miscsoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 04:18 PM
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3. I tend to think he would be.
I wonder how much damage the recession would have done him, though.
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demo_6725 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:56 PM
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9. +1
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 07:58 AM
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2. It would have created tensions, but no, I don't think so
Of course, such things are a matter of degree. Harold Wilson didn't join Johnson and Nixon in the Vietnam War, and it didn't end the 'special relationship'. But he did not oppose the war, either; if he had, it might have caused more problems in the relationship.

The French opposed the war, and patriotic Americans started eating Freedom Fries; but they seem to be back on good terms now.

At any rate, fewer people would have been killed.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 06:05 PM
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4. Yeah Freedom Fries
So if Blair dint sign the pact with Bush i wonder what names they would have conjured for a UK icon?
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-22-11 06:42 PM
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5. Texas Pudding instead of Yorkshire Pudding?
Freedom Muffins?

Freedom 'n Chips?
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demo_6725 Donating Member (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 08:56 PM
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10.  +1
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Nihil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:49 AM
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12. That third post must have been a beauty!
Tombstoned with 3 posts and two of them consisted of "+1" in this thread! :rofl:
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-25-11 07:25 AM
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6. We might still have gone into Afghanistan
but we wouldn't have got involved in Iraq. Blair might still have resigned in time to avoid the effect of the credit crunch on his reputation though. And also, David Miliband might not have had quite so much baggage from his time at the foreign office and might have been able to become Labour leader as a result.

Another thing is that without throwing money at military action in Iraq, we might not be facing quite such harsh cuts.

All hypothetical though.
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dipsydoodle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-26-11 06:15 AM
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7. All hypothetical though...
Sound reasoning just the same.
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LSdemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-28-11 07:12 PM
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8. Can we stop pretending that this was all a one-way thing?
If anything Blair was and always has been fairly eager to use military force to "solve" problems. Bush and Blair egged each other on.

Remember Kosovo? Clinton was the one holding Blair back from sending in ground troops, not the other way around.
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Jeneral2885 Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-29-11 11:42 AM
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11. Really?
I thought Clinton was all out into using force in Kosovo--or was that NATO Commander Clark
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