New target acquired; Republican Electors.

[benburch]

Friends,

I propose that we need to prepare lists of all Republican electors in the nation for the purpose of contacting them directly to convince them to change their vote to Kerry.

We'd need; Name, home address, phone number, FAX number, and email address for as many Republican electors as we can find.

We should also prepare contact materials so that people will have an idea of what arguments might work with a Republican. I think we should impress upon them that their future safety depends on a Kerry victory, as Bush has mismanaged things to the point of making us all less safe daily.

Comments?

[ahyums]

1. haven't said this often... but no chance

the only conceivable way this could possibly work is if some iron clad proof of fraud came in and even then I'd have my doubts. These people are not swing voters or undecideds they are at the heart of the base and no amount of emailing or letter writing is likely to change their minds. I really think this would be a waste of time and energy.

[benburch]

3. No chance whatsoever if not tried! nt

[ahyums]

6. but as you mentioned somewhere else 100,000 phone calls

someone would have to make those calls and I'd still be willing to bet my house that they would not make a bit of difference I really think there are more productive ways to spend that kind of time out there. It's a nice direct thing to do, but I think if you try or you don't there is no chance whatsoever. If we were talking about 268-271 or something then you might, might get 2 or 3 to change and it would be worth it (even then I think whoever was made president under those circumstances would probably have an impossible time of it) but no way on earth are you going to get 20 or more to switch.

[deansyawp]

8. I agree, this would be a waste of time

These folks are wingnut loyalists, they are the last people that would budge. There would have to be ironclad, absolutely ironclad proof of fraud, with criminal cases being drawn up before any of these folks would even think of changing their minds. And even then, knowing how the modern Republican mind works, I'm not sure they would.

[NVMojo]

2. aren't most of them Repukes?

the ones in my state I actually recognized are.

[benburch]

4. By definition.

A Republican Elector is a loyal party member.

Not an easy sell.

But maybe 100,000 phone calls might do it.

[Catch22Dem]

5. In TX, one of the electors is...

The man who introduced W & Pickles. They've been close friends since the dawn of time. He's as loyal as they come. 100 MILLION phone calls wouldn't do it. They're all like him. The only way they'd NOT cast their vote for * is if * himself ORDERED them not to.

[Yupster]

20. That was Don Evans

He was my congressional district's elector last time. Just resigned as Commerce Secretary.

These are the type of people chosen as electors.

Good luck switching them.

[mostly_lurking]

24. No, you'll just piss them off

and make it less likely to work.

[badc0der]

7. Yes, but Bush isn't

On most of the traditional republican values Kerry is a better republican than Bush. So this could work, if done properly.

[ClassWarrior]

10. That's so crazy it just might work...

Still not totally convinced but impressed by the out-of-the-box thinking... And wondering if a "Dubya's not a real Republicant" arguement might have teeth...

NGU.

[unblock]

9. electors are selected precisely for their unwavering loyalty

their ONE function is to cast their electoral vote in the way the ticket expects them too, so they are chosed exclusively for their loyalty.

occassionally you get an irrelevant abstention or electoral vote for someone's aunt or whatever, but never where it remotely matters.

the only time the actual electors can really come into play would be if one or both of the winning ticket candidates were to die before the electoral college met.

[read the law first]

11. Careful with your language

I know what you meant by "their future safety depends on a Kerry victory" (I hope) because you clarify in the remainder of the sentence but these words could be easily misconstrued especially when the subject heading refers to "targeting" people.

[kerry2win]

12. I took that as bush

will attack anything he wants to, leaving the whole world in danger. I think you have a warped way of looking at it.

[read the law first]

14. I thought I said that

I thought that I said that I knew what they meant. I just don't want them to have somebody kicking in their door in the middle of the night on a trumped up terroristic threats charge brought by some wingnut bu$h elector.

[benburch]

23. That is why I clarified it...

:-)

[lasttrip]

13. hey, you never know.

its only been a few weeks but some people are starting to wake up. just give them the facts. I've got 2 repubs to thinking twice just by bringing up mandatory mental health screenings, loss of h.i. deduct, etc. and talking non-part.

keep educating. cant hurt. some will get it.
soon i hope.


:hippie:

[Niche]

15. Yes!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Niche]

16. Don't know how to set this link but here's a start.

http://www.archives.gov/federal_register/electoral_college/state_responsibilities.html




p.s. bev's getting roasted out there...

[JWP]

17. 1 in W. Va. already said he'd go renegade

One of those GOP electoral votes WON'T be cast for Bush.

Of course a mass persuasion effort won't make the majority of GOP cast their votes for Kerry -- in many of the state's laws it would be illegal for them to do so.

BUT .... they can and might withhold their vote if we convince them there is just as much distrust here as in Kiev!!!!

If electors fail to cast the necessary 270 votes, the election goes to the House, which will elect Bush. But, at least it's proof that democracy prevailed and it was government that made Bush president (like it was the SCOTUS last time) and again it was not the people's voice.

So, please, pursue the list of electors and their phones and emails. I'll be watching here for them and I will participate.

[goobergunch]

19. Got revoked

Richie Robb reverses course, now leans toward president Open this result in new window
Charleston Daily Mail - Nov 03 8:12 AM
A disgruntled West Virginia Republican elector said Tuesday he likely will cast his Electoral College ballot for President Bush after all because he won West Virginia by such a wide margin.

http://news.search.yahoo.com/search/news/?ei=ISO-8859-1&c=&p=west+virginia+elector

[Yupster]

21. He changed his mind

Said he'd now vote for Bush since Bush won WV so easily.

[MarkusQ]

18. IIRC, one already has said he would...

There was a news story a while back claiming one Bush elector was already contemplating not voting for him as a protest. And it has happened over a hundred times in the past 200 years, most recently in 2000.

--MarkusQ

[jhgatiss]

22. I said this weeks ago...

I think getting a few thousand people to protest in some of these folks front yards might be a big wake up call as to the fact that there are a lot of people who think their vote for Bush is reprehensible!