"But we didn’t cancel on her" - Olberman is a fraud.

[Must_B_Free]

"But we didn’t cancel on her - we wanted, on that first night raising this touchy subject nobody else had previously covered, to have more mainstream guests. And we wanted her back another night. And since then we’ve wanted her to come back with her video."

What a lame excuse! What I read here is "We DID cancel her, we just don't want to admit it".

Fuck you Olberman, by your own admission, you had your chance and YOU bumped her. Now you want to make that her fault?

You fooled her once, shame on you. Do you expect her to fall for it again?

GE is trying to "keep their enemy closer" because she is threatening their billion dollar bag of gold. Too transparent. These tricks are old, tired and worn out.

[Wonk]

1. This is about Bev Harris, I take it?

That seems to be the theme tonight...

[Truman01]

2. Her who? n/t

[aquart]

6. Build those post counts!

[Truman01]

14. Can you drop the post # envy and answer my question?

I, quite frankly, don't care how many posts I have. I don't have time to track the number, and it says nothing about my dedication to the cause. I'll leave post # tracking to folks like you. I don't have the time.

Now my question was who is she? Bev?

TC

[Straight Shooter]

45. LOL.

"post number envy" :)

[Wonk]

8. "Reading Must_B_Free's mind" classes start next week. nt

[Bouncy Ball]

10. OMG

this very guy is over in another thread acting like a total expert on "her, who?"

LOL :eyes:

[Truman01]

16. I had no idea she was going to be on tonight.

It's just an idea but probably before you use a pronoun you should use the Proper noun first.

I'm not an expert on her, if you are talking about Bev and Law, I am an expert in law and what she is putting out as law suits are suspect, yes.

TC

[Maraya1969]

56. Bev Harris from Black Box Voting website

[Truman01]

61. Thank you, I got three smart eleck answers before someone

answered my question.

[Clark2008]

3. It's a lame excuse tfor the media to require proof?

Since when?

In fact, I wish more media would require proof before they put unverified stuff on the air.

Not dissing BBV here, just not taking crap about Olbermann, either.

[Must_B_Free]

The relevant part is underlined

they scheduled her then bumped her. He admitted it.

Fool me again, shame on me. You think Bev has time to wait around for them to finally decide to have her on?

They are just trying to get ahold of the tape so they can build a defense against it. Right now they are shitting a brick because that victory is about to slip through their fingers like sand.

[aquart]

4. You're right. That's exactly what he's saying.

Keith, Keith, Keith.

[saracat]

5. I believe Keith. It is a logical explanation.

Sorry but you would want to intro the topic with a more "mainstream' guest.

[Must_B_Free]

15. No you want the hot person

Who did he have on concerning BBV that was "more mainstream" than Bev? Because there was noone doing BBV but Bev, especially by Nov 8.

Can anyone confirm that KO had "mainstream people" on the Nov 8 show concerning BBV?

[saracat]

31. Hot to whom?

I don't remember who he had but almost anyone would have been better known than Bev. Sorry but she isn't exactly a household name. And this is acase of the issue being more important than the messenger. Can anyone deny that Jesse Jackson gets more airtime and we get more exposture as a result. He brought us "mainstream, not Bev. It is unfortunate but in these issues celebrity counts a lot.

[Must_B_Free]

37. Noone was doing it but Bev

so who could he have had on?

Jess Jackson didn't jump on board until this week.

[aquart]

17. The key line is: "And we wanted her back another night."

The key word is "back." He cancelled her. You can't want someone "back" if they were never scheduled to be there in the first place. He cancelled her. And "wanting her back" is not the same as ASKING her back.

If you want to believe him, do it. Just read what he actually says.

[ClintCooper2003]

30. Quit being petty and silly.

Olbermann has gone way out on a limb to keep alive this story and the least Harris can do is make an effort to get on his show or at least send Andy.

Olbermann has no incentive whatsoever to lie here.

[saracat]

34. And then we have the question , who benefits?

Bev needed to be on Olberman far more than Olberman needed her. As the lesser"celebrity" she should have met his schedule. She was lucky (and we would all have benefited) to be asked.

[Ducks In A Row]

66. Except that even he didn't use the word fraud until this week

the reason bev was cancelled (and she WAS cancelled) was because she was going to use the word FRAUD. twice she was cancelled because of the word FRAUD.

olbermann played with the story, but his boss wouldn't let him really get into the meat of it.

hell if keith was really intested, why didn't he spend a day or two in florida while on vacation.

he had the time, and no boss to get in the way. he could have talked with bev and seen with his own eyes what was happening

he didn't. and he still isn't letting bev tell her own story. instead he is towing the line by bashing her, and that's bullshit.

[New Earth]

7. omg will you please drop it

[RaulVB]

12. Why is it???

that all the jokers trolling with Olbermann and/or Harris are allowed to write but my tread asking to focus on the issues was LOCKED???

[crispini]

22. Post in Ask the Admins

and ask them.

[Catherine Vincent]

23. Sweetie,

Your post was requesting the moderators to lock threads. You can't do that.

[RaulVB]

25. Oops, Oh! (n/t)

[Skip Intro]

13. wow - over 700 posts in two weeks

congrats!

[aquart]

19. Losing the argument, are you?

[rman]

58. nope

[The Doctor.]

9. All this nitpicking turns me clean off...

I'm sick of listening to stupid shit.

I'm gonna go do UT2004.

(What's it a full moon?)

[ClintCooper2003]

11. Quit bashing Olbermann.

He's talking sense. Now, seeds of doubt are being planted in my brain about Bev Harris. For instance, why hasn't she broadcast the video already on her website.

I tell you, if she never bothers to post that video on her website for public viewing, it will delegitimize her in my eyes.

[Must_B_Free]

21. Do you give the enemy the blueprints of you weapons

BEFORE you attack?

[demobabe]

52. Huh?

Bev Harris goes to EXTREME DETAIL to tell us ALL ABOUT the events that she videotaped as they unfolded, circulated these wild tales FAR and WIDE... they've had coverage on every blog pretty much known to man, then to actually SHOW the videos is "revealing the blueprints of the weapons?"

And THIS after she said that she showed evidence to CNN CAMERAS and they refused to show it!

Why is her evidence good enough for CNN and not good enough for MSNBC?

Sorry, but the cat is already out of the bag. The only thing that's missing is actual proof of evidence, which at this point is suspect to whether or not it actually exists at all.

Please, take this tin foil hat...

[Kelvin Mace]

18. Oh, please...

First he's BBV's savior, now he's the enemy.

God, deva vu.

[Must_B_Free]

29. Isn't Plan 9 publishing ... yep!

And we're supposed to take your criticism seriously?

"Please note: The Black Box Voting Project, Plan Nine Publishing and David Allen are no longer affiliated with Bev Harris, nor she with us. ... "

How about you tell us the story of why you parted ways?

[Kelvin Mace]

55. That is a discussion

that has been hashed out many times. You want the facts, check the archives. If anyone else wants to know, they can PM me and I will send the links.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org
www.plan9.org
www.blackboxvoting.com

[SnoopDog]

20. Even a 1000+post'er can be a freeper...

[aquart]

24. You betcha. They've bragged about it.

And this is one way they build the count.

[Must_B_Free]

33. I think he means me

and my 9000 posts over the past 4 years. Yeah I'm Freeper, that's it...

[eowyn_of_rohan]

62. The infiltrators: We can know them by the fruits of their labor

Not by the number of their posts. The infiltrators shut down productive conversation, destroy our efforts to work together on research, kill our momentum, deplete our energy, demoralize, humiliate, and divide.

[ValleyGirl]

26. Leave Keith alone

OMG we have one decent MSM(ish) reporter being fair & airing nightly reports on our issues and he's already being torn down. :(

[rehema]

49. I second it--Leave Keith O Alone!

:mad:

[Carolab]

27. Not enough information to flame EITHER Keith or Bev

Careful of whatever bridge(s) you might be burning. We need all the friends we can get. And from where I sit, Keith has been very helpful to the cause as has Bev. Whatever has transpired between them is obviously between them. They need to work it out. Flaming either one of them here, without any additional information, serves no purpose except to create animosity where perhaps none is deserved.

[Must_B_Free]

36. Embrace, Extend, Extinguish...

GE manufactures defense equipment to the tune of billions of dollars. GE owns MSNBC and Keith Olberman. Put 2 and 2 together.

[m berst]

46. thank you...

...for the plea for common sense.

There are so many important issues that get discussed at DU. These battles over who is to be trusted and who isn't are really destructive - and that is what they are about - who can we trash? - and smear tactics, gang attacks, and the use of innuendo are becoming common.

Operative phrase "... without any additional information."

[bear425]

63. Carolab, You always seems to be the voice of reason!

I feel the same way. I believe both Keith and Bev are correct in their own ways. Bev, as an investigator, must protect her evidence and Keith, as a journalist, must verify it. Flaming either one will alienate them from our important communication. Thank you, Carolab, for your constructive posts!

edit: clarity

[JohnnyCougar]

28. Haha...too funny.

This only proves it is an ego thing with Bev. She got bumped from the first night, and now she won't come on at all. Shows how her pride is getting in the way of the breaking of this story.

She has been invited back, and now KO is on record as saying it. We now will see just how big her ego is.

[Stand and Fight]

32. Seriously, drop it.

Are you guys trying to burn bridges??? Good grief. So many have their panties in a knot tonight. Let's get it together people. Stop attacking each other and stop attacking our allies. Period.

[Must_B_Free]

35. Allies? Who stabbed in the back first?

who is claiming she wasn't cancelled and then admitting it in couched words?

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer - do you really think GE wants to bring down Bush?

[Stand and Fight]

38. Just asking...

Why are we fighting with each other? It doesn't make sense. I thought you folks were reasonable here and your arguing irrationally based on emotion? Objectively, I don't see what your point is -- Keith Olbermann is actually being FAIR and BALANCED. The same cannot be said for Fox News or CNN! If you're going to cover a story, you cover it from all angels and with as little bias as humanly possible. When I read about his comments earlier -- based on what people here were reporting since I don't get MSNBC in "craptacular" Oklahoma -- I had thought he was being biased, but after reading the transcript for myself I could not rightly, and most importantly objectively, come to that conclusion. Frankly, just because people don't agree on little minute points does not mean we should waste our energy on baseless arguments. Those energies would better serve to sow seeds of success rather than reckless discord.

[Must_B_Free]

41. Who is fighting? It's called debate

I made a point and defended it from criticism. I've been doing that for 4 years here now, amI not allowed all of a sudden?

Can you show me where I've been irrational or baseless as you claim?

The FACT is he says he didn't cancel her, but he wants her back? You can't have her back unless she was there in the first place. So how can he say with a straight face that she wasn't canceled?

[Stand and Fight]

43. I've got something for you.

I'll agree to disagree. I'll be civil.
One last point: arguing and bickering are hardly constructive and beneficial debate to our collective aims.

[demobabe]

54. These shows reschedule ALL THE TIME...

They have a producer that lines up the day's guests - things get moved based on news and other reasons. It's not like she was banned from going on the show. Symbolman was scheduled to go on O'Reilly and I believe that got pushed off a couple days for whatever reason - but he still ended up on the show.

Folks like KO are pros; he wouldn't invite her on the show and then uninvite her. If he wants to make mincemeat out of her on his show, he will do that. And he won't need to "prescreen" her "evidence." It's not because Bev Harris isn't a competent speaker - for clearly she is, it's because KO has been doing this for a long time and he has his own pattern - his show is his turf. Believe me, he's not going to keep Bev off his show for fear "the truth might come out."

From what I've seen he's been pretty fair to the guests on his show, both the ones he agrees with and the ones he doesn't.

[rman]

59. before this is cleared up? why?

-

[Stand and Fight]

39. Post Numbers!!!! Nost Pumbers!!! Who cares!

Who cares about your number of posts! And I've one valid point to make about calling people FReepers -- I don't think a so-called FReeper would have a star next to their name, since it means they donated. I don't know about you, but I don't donate to causes contrary to my views -- hence, as a black man I've never seen it fit to donate money to the Aryan Nation or the KKK... Just my two cents....

:evilgrin:

[lthuedk]

40. DIVIDE & CONQUER

Lets stay together folks.

[Must_B_Free]

42. Who is doing the dividing? Me?

Did I write Olberman's blog?

[burn the bush]

44. I don't see why any of you have any reason to dis either of them

Shit happens. They are both doing their job. Each has a different agenda that connects. Both of these people have put out their time and their name for our cause so don't let shit spoil it coz shit just happens. Now thank both of these people for what they are doing for us and for the country.

[Must_B_Free]

50. That's how the game is played

after years and years of tricks, you start to see them coming.

Maybe it just is what it is, but lets look at the money:

Stolen Election = $ for GE = $ for Keith Olberman.

So has Keith been working against his self interest?

Lets see how Microsoft does it:

Embrace - Pick up something and tout it, partner with it

Extend - Make it your own

Extinguish - "On second though, I don't think there was anything to it"

[smartvoter]

47. Yeah. The ONLY one who has given this any attention.

Sometimes I just don't get people.

[merh]

48. Just to clarify - the polling tapes and not video tapes are mentioned

in Olberman's blog.

“Why don’t you show the voting tapes Bev Harris found discarded in the trash in Florida?”

If I were Bev, I wouldn't trust anyone with the polling tapes either. They are evidence of the corruption and fraud. They need to be protected in case they are needed as evidence in court. It is called "chain of custody" and in other to protect the evidence, you limit those that touch the evidence, the links in the chain, and try to perserve the evidence.

[ebayfool]

57. Only when you cut & paste it to edit it that way. He mentions BOTH!

Each and every day since our coverage of all this began on November 8, I have received a set of emails, some times a few, some times many, asking “Why don’t you have Bev Harris on Countdown?,” “Why don’t you run the Bev Harris videotapes?,” “Why don’t you show the voting tapes Bev Harris found discarded in the trash in Florida?”

Because she won’t let us.

I have not dealt with Ms. Harris directly, but my staff has, and though we have asked her on a regular basis to let us show these tapes on national television, she has declined.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6210240/

not very kosher to edit his blog to buttress what you want it to say

[Left Brain]

51. omg

IS IT A FRICKIN' FULL MOON OR WHAT??

[bluetrain]

53. No, that was last THURs but I don't what's going on here tonight.

[tbuddha]

60. More Mainstream guests???

What the hell does that mean anyway? I mean really, if you are doing a story on BBV, who else but Bev would you have on? She was good enough for Topic A on CNN with Howard Dean, but Olbermann want her back later? Sounds fishy to me.

[mattclearing]

65. Actually

It was CNBC. Another GE program. Sometimes these massive media conspiracies aren't as organized as some would like to believe.

People need to relax. This has come a long way, so please, stop attacking each other. It makes us all look bad.

[mattclearing]

64. Hmmm...

Could you come a little more unglued? Tell Keith how you really feel, it's not like he comes here and reads the stuff.

:eyes: