Does Rove really pay people to monitor forums like DU or

[merh]

is it just people that want to interfere with the election fraud investigations, inquiries, discussions come here to make trouble?

[ClintCooper2003]

1. He and his ilk have more money than God....

what do you THINK?

[jamboi]

44. After observing tonight, need you ask? ;-) n/t

[Alizaryn]

2. Yup

(actually he get us to pay for it with our taxes)

[Patsy Stone]

3. I'll go with

yes. Also, say "Hi" to Ashcroft and Ridge while you're at it. :)

[YellowDoginthehouse]

4. YES

They do.

[Maat]

5. Shouldn't they be keeping America safe or something?

Instead of wasting time.

[Timebound]

8. Why, they don't care...

...about us or America. They only care about becoming dictators...

[Must_B_Free]

6. Prescott Bush

paid people to go to germany and prosthelize for Hitler... It's call Astroturf. Google "Demonstrating Genuine Leadership"

[Lone Pawn]

7. You betcha

Just like we have guys scanning freeperland. Not like it's a big thing, but it is useful to know the mindset of the enemy's base at any time.

But don't think we're so important that they have an anti-DU task force. I know a few guys who work for the Dark Side. On their free time they'll occasionally mix things up in here, but not because the Dark Lord demands it. Mostly for fun.

[aikido15]

12. Do they really monitor these forums?

Holy shit! That's OK, I monitor a few of the religious right sites also...keep us with what action of the week they are promoting to strip people of their civil rights.

[newyawker99]

59. Hi aikido15!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Helga Scow Stern]

9. Security officials to spy on chat rooms

Sorry I don't have a link. Someone emailed this to me today.

Security officials to spy on chat rooms
Last modified: November 24, 2004, 10:28 AM PST
By Declan McCullagh
Staff Writer, CNET News.com


The CIA is quietly funding federal research into surveillance of
Internet chat rooms as part of an effort to identify possible
terrorists, newly released documents reveal.

In April 2003, the CIA agreed to fund a series of research projects
that the documents indicate were intended to create "new capabilities
to combat terrorism through advanced technology." One of those projects
is research at the Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute in Troy, N.Y.,
devoted to automated monitoring and profiling of the behavior of
chat-room users.

Even though the money ostensibly comes from the National Science
Foundation, CIA officials were involved in selecting recipients for the
research grants, according to a contract between the two agencies
obtained by the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) and
reviewed by CNET News.com.

NSF program director Leland Jameson said Wednesday the two-year
agreement probably will not be renewed for the 2005 fiscal year.
"Probably we won't be working with the CIA anymore at all," Jameson
said. "I think that people have moved on to other things."

The NSF grant for chat-room surveillance was reported earlier this
year, but without disclosure of the CIA's role in the project. The
NSF-CIA memorandum of understanding says that while the Sept. 11, 2001
attacks and the fight against terrorism presented U.S. spy agencies
with surveillance challenges, existing spy "capabilities can be
significantly enhanced with advanced technology."

EPIC director Marc Rotenberg, whose nonprofit group obtained the
documents through the Freedom of Information Act, said the CIA's
clandestine involvement was worrisome. "The intelligence community is
changing the priorities of scientific research in the U.S.," Rotenberg
said. "You have to be careful that the National Science Foundation
doesn't become the National Spy Foundation."

A CIA representative would not answer questions, saying the agency's
policy is never to talk about funding. The two Rensselaer Polytechnic
Institute researchers involved, Bulent Yener and Mukkai Krishnamoorthy,
did not respond to interview requests.

Their proposal, also disclosed under the Freedom of Information Act,
received $157,673 from the CIA and NSF. It says: "We propose a system
to be deployed in the background of any chat room as a silent listener
for eavesdropping...The proposed system could aid the intelligence
community to discover hidden communities and communication patterns in
chat rooms without human intervention."

Yener and Krishnamoorthy, both associate professors of computer
science, wrote that their research would involve writing a program for
"silently listening" to an Internet Relay Chat (IRC) channel and
"logging all the messages." One of the oldest and most popular methods
or chatting online, IRC attracts hundreds of thousands of users every
day. A history written by IRC creator Jarkko Oikarinen said the concept
grew out of chat technology for modem-based bulletin boards in the
1980s.

The Yener and Krishnamoorthy proposal says their research will begin
Jan. 1, 2005 but does not say which IRC servers will be monitored.

A June 2004 paper they published, also funded by the NSF, described a
project that quietly monitored users of the popular Undernet network,
which has about 144,000 users and 50,000 channels. In the paper, Yener
and Krishnamoorthy predicted their work "could aid (the) intelligence
community to eavesdrop in chat rooms, profile chatters and identify
hidden groups of chatters in a cost-effective way" and that their
future research will focus on identifying "topic-based information."

Al Teich, director of science and policy programs at the American
Association for the Advancement of Science, said he does not object to
the CIA funding terrorism-related research in general.

"I don't know about chat-room surveillance, but doing research on
issues related to terrorism is certainly legitimate," Teich said.
"Whether the CIA ought to be funding research in universities in a
clandestine manner is a different issue."

[dmac]

10. I do not think so,

but I do think they disable sights like this, where people go to vent, and BBV and other sites of this nature from time to time - just to frustrate us and make us crazy. But monitor? Nah. They may check in themselves once in a while (probably for a laugh) but I do not think they would find anything we have to say very enlightening. They have us where they want us and are not worried enough to have anyone watching. Wouldn't it be nice it that turned out to be their mistake though?

[smartvoter]

11. Hell, I've been accused of being a troll/Freeper three times. Might...

as well be paid. Where do I sign up?

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

14. www.anncoulter.com

[aikido15]

15. Here is the link...

Complete with a CIA spy time table...

http://news.com.com/Security+officials+to+spy+on+chat+rooms/2100-7348_3-5466140.html

[merh]

19. If you find out how we can get paid for visiting here and

where we need to go to sign up, let me know! :hi:

[alittlelark]

23. Paybacks are in the afterlife.

[smartvoter]

24. This flake is a prime example.

[alittlelark]

27. Hey, I've never had dandruff!!!

But I do love CO snow!

I am a prime example at Wolf Creek or Taos(NM)!

I am soooo a prime example!

[merh]

31. alittlelark is not a flake!

Settle down, don't confuse sarcasm for slams. alittlelark is a very reasonable poster. No flame wars or personal attacks are allowed on this thread, please. I can't take any more! :scared:

[alittlelark]

33. Thanks for the support!

It's getting freaky here as of late!

[merh]

36. You are welcome!

getting freaky, they left freaky at about 11:20 and went directly to bizzaro - :silly:

[smartvoter]

34. It's a carryover from another thread. She/he knows I'm ribbing.

[merh]

35. Okay, but please no carry overs either.

Things are way to weird here tonite, this morning, whatever. :crazy:

:hi:

[tommcintyre]

65. So you REALLY do this for free?

Others really ARE getting paid for their dirty work here. If I were you, I'd demand to be paid too - or quit.

[rwheeler31]

13. yes, college students, and certain company workers.

nt

[BrendaStarr]

46. We have found retirees, stay at home moms and disabled people

working as paid r-w message board posters.
I assume the internet spy groups for the rw would consist of those types too.

Once we caught a verifiable soldier trolling (actually trolling is a harsh word as he did not pretend to be any other than what he was) in another forum using a whois request. I don't know if that is very common and we couldn't prove he was doing it while getting paid or if he was using a government computer at the time, but military email addresses are very easy to get information from unless that has changed in the last couple of years. People in the group did notify his commanding officer just in case he was doing it on the taxpayer dime.

[genius]

16. It looks like there have been a lot of divisive people here recently

I wouldn't be surprised if we have tons of freepers here eager to goof things up. After all, our inquiries are getting around. Perhaps they do want to stop us.

[tommcintyre]

39. It could actually be a good sign.

Do they have reason to be worried? Has Kerry and co. coming back into the fray signal something? Has our constant pressure at least partly caused this? (Olbermann mentioned this several times today as at least part of the reason Kerry came back in - "to appease the Internet activists".)

[understandinglife]

17. They're so damned arrogant they wouldn't waste their time...

...here or at dKos, brad blog or anywhere else.

They will only pay attention when some prosecutor is indicting them or when every honorable, ethical member of the US Senate and HR boycotts all congressional activity, disables a quorum and refuses to budge until a truly fair and legitimate election occurs.

Then, they might pay attention, but not to what we have to say, but to what we have forced to happen.

Just my opinion, of course.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[johnaries]

22. Hmmmmm......

No, they wouldn't waste their time, or WOULD THEY? AND, you suggest that they wouldn't pay attention until we "forced it to happen"? AHA! A mispelling! Proof that you are an alien spy! YOU are the CIA operative from Proxima Centauri that we were warned about in our secret hyper-net emails!
Just kidding, of course. Although, your comment about "someone I do not know was prevented from voting"....

[understandinglife]

30. Thanks for the chuckle....if you want to know a bit more about me...

...just read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x101359

And, the message in: "I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

Is that I will die for a citizen whom I do not know to protect their right to a fair and legitimate vote -- to equal access to a ballot and reasonable certainty that their vote is counted exactly as they intended.

Peace.

[tommcintyre]

42. Patrick Henry reincarnate, eh?

"Give me liberty or give me death!"

Also, who said, "I may not agree with you, but I will defend to the death your right to say it!"

<btw: Both those peeps would wind up on Gitmo (or worse) if they were alive today.>

;~}

[understandinglife]

47. Agree with your assessment of...

...where those two would have been getting a tan if alive, today!! ;-)

Peace.

[Blissfulbride]

18. Former Bush campaign official indicted in phone-jamming

I wouldn't be surprised. . . check out this GOP indictment

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2004/12/01/national1609EST0631.DTL


Would someone please put this on its own thread?

[merh]

20. Its out there already, it has just been overshadowed by the

other crazy threads that debate personalities and not facts. :silly:

Tomorrow is another day!

[mirandapriestly]

41. That just makes me want to CRY

that this is what is now considered standard practice by the "moral" party.

[Helga Scow Stern]

57. And he was rehired by * campaign after this incident. n/t

[alittlelark]

21. Indeed, and some are quite bright

Hi Merth,
Why would he do that? Perhaps to confuse us, but he will not be sucessful. We will stand together and pursue the 'Equal Protection' clause of the constitution, and fight it out in court for 2-4 years (while * rapes and pillages)... but it is all for the best. "Equal Protection" is the only way to avenge our theft!

Warmly,
a poster

[merh]

26. Your post is so calm and rational . . .

do you mind if I stand with you? All of the other "noise" on the forum tonite is a little crazy :silly:

I don't know why rove would want to disrupt this forum, I mean after all, we are just a bunch of conspiracy theorists! :tinfoilhat:

[Sideways]

45. That Fucking Warmly Kills Me

The little fucktard can't spell either but claims to be a journalist. We've been INFESTED. PM me if you want my list of the usual suspects.

Warmly,
A Pissed Off Poster

[Wordie]

25. Don't know about Rove. There's an anti-Olbermann site asking for volunteer

monitors, though. Here's what the creator of the site says:
<snip>
To produce the site I am looking for contributors who will help share the load on the following efforts to monitor Keith Olbermann.

1. Watch Countdown on a specific day of the week each week then write a post of what transpired afterwards, also link to the show transcript the following day. Ideally these people would have the ability to TIVO the show and grab video clips as appropriate but for now this is not a requirement.

2. Read Bloggerman each day then write a post about Keith's posts.

3. Monitor GoogleNewsAlerts for stories about "Keith Olbermann"

4. Monitor Feedster.com for blog posts about "Keith Olbermann"

Contributors are being offered nothing more than a chance to tweak Olbermann, get a prominent link back to their own blogs for some greater exposure and earn the enmity of the tin-foil hat crowd. <unsnip>

What people like this don't realize, is that they do the research for people like me. They go out become all incensed about this article or that, and post them all in one conventient spot.
http://www.olbermannwatch.com/

[rodeodance]

62. where did "tin-foil hat" come from???

<<<<Contributors are being offered nothing more than a chance to tweak Olbermann, get a prominent link back to their own blogs for some greater exposure and earn the enmity of the tin-foil hat crowd. <unsnip>

[imenja]

28. people who rather focus on hatred than on anything positive

People with too much time on their hands. They are more focused on hating liberals, despite our non-existent political power, than on actually developing a positive agenda they can enact as a result of their electoral victories.

[pointsoflight]

29. Why don't you ask them....they're right here.

[merh]

54. Trying to in a friendly way - without getting in trouble by the mods

for calling out trolls or freeps or goblins or demons or whatever they may be!

[TexasLawyer]

32. Also they set up, staff and post messages...

on their own web-sites. There was an article in Media Matters for America about Jerome Corsi, one of the two authors of the Swift Boat Veterans Books. According to MMM, Mr. Corsi writes copiously under many noms de plume on the Free Republic web-site (and he says some pretty nasty things too!).

I don't imagine Mr. Corsi is doing that work on the web-site for his health, or that the Swift Boat book was inspired by his great lust for truth. The Swift Boat Book was put out by Regnery Press, which is tied up with Richard Mellon Scaife and other fanatics with LOTS of money to spread the Bushco message to the masses. I would guess that he has a similar financial arrangement with the web-site.

I noticed on Free Republic that often the most bone-head comments are spelled correctly, are grammatically correct and employ a vocabulary that is beyond what I think an actual cross-section of its readers could come up with on a consistent basis. To me this says that employees or contractors who are coached on the party line are writing at least some of the stuff you see there.

Also, I noticed tonight that an article by Steve Forbes on the plummeting dollar that was posted on FR garnered a lot of comments regarding balance of trade, competing tax theories, etc... They looked like short dissertations by Bushco on today's party line on the economy. Not topics that most people are going to sit back and reflect on after a hard day's work at the salt mine.

I am very sure that those guys are looking over our shoulders on DU, since we are energetic, smart, resourceful and determined to get at the truth. A secretive administration like the one we have now has got to find that at least a little bothersome. Probably bothersome enough to monitor.

To any Rovians who are monitoring-- Hi! Let me know if I was right.

[KT2000]

38. They use FR to put out

the party line. They use the RW talk radio and print media to say nothing of Fox. They use religious organizations too.

I think it is a brainwashing process - they have designated audiences to feed the info to and then whip them into a frenzy to hit the streets, airwaves, internet and print to insist their policies are the only ones - anything else is evil.

These people are into absolute control.

[TexasLawyer]

53. Read "Blinded by the Right" by David Brock

Anyone who doubts that there are lots of writers on the right-wing payroll should read Blinded by the Right. Here's part of a review from the WBUR.org web-site:


David Brock has a confession to make. Almost everything the best-selling onetime rightwing hero journalist wrote in the 1990's was a lie. And not little white lies that don't matter. But big lies with huge consequences. Lies that discredited Anita Hill in her battle with Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas. Lies that almost brought down President Clinton.

In his new book, "Blinded by the Right: The Conscience of an Ex-Conservative," David Brock takes it all back. He says he was fanned and funded by hardcore rightwing zealots hell-bent on bringing down an enormously popular Democratic President. They would stop at nothing, using rumor and smear campaigns to get their revenge on Bill Clinton.

[KT2000]

63. Yes - and Media Matters

he has the right idea. He sues these idiots. I think I read where he got some money from Soros to run the site.

I think we should constantly send his link to media when they are outrageous. At least they will know that someone is watching them?!?!

[tommcintyre]

37. No, they're too arrogant. Or Yes, there are "sleeper cells" here.

Either possibility is plausible;

A - The potential arrogance is a historic disease of this kind of (self) deluding type of organization. The combination of success and righteousness inherently breeds arrogance (overconfidence). (Actually, exploiting this arrogance is our best chance of defeating them - along with letting enough time pass and it eventually is their inevitable undoing. Historically, it has never failed.)

B - Rove and company are known to be "control freaks", and do plan well in advance (not sensibly, even for their own long-term survival, just "well" detail-wise for carrying out their agendas). Considering this, it would not be unreasonable to assume that they not only pay people to monitor and disrupt at all different levels, from subtle to overt; but also they most likely have long-term "sleeper cells" here, similar to how Al Queda operates. They were pre-planned, and called into action if certain events occur. (Like vote-fraud investigation "heating up" too much for their comfort level.)

Either way, they must lose eventually - history does bear this out. For people that seem to be so smart, its amazing how they "miss this". Without exception, every similar regime has fallen - even if its purely from the "falseness" of their premises. Everything they are doing has been done before (in one way or another), and the outcome has always been the same - their demise. There is only two differences now. 1) Things move more quickly everyday, so their "shelf-life" will most likely be shorter. 2) The threat of annihilation for all of us (exacerbated by their inherent shortsighted thinking) looms large and is very real.

I know I gave you much more than you asked for here, but I'm hoping if some of "them" do read this post; maybe some of this will "sink in". It doesn't have to be this way. If they would just stop and really think about "all this"...

[garybeck]

40. Hey.....How much are you getting paid to read this????????

If there are such people, they are likely doing it for the money.

Well whatever you are getting paid to read this, I'd like to make you an offer. Name your price. If you are willing to come forward with evidence (like a pay stub, receit, or copy of a check) that you are being paid to monitor or use this discussion board.

There are many rewards out there for people like yourself who are willing to come forward. There is a $100,000 reward available for voter fraud evidence like that.

Getting paid to use this board is not voter fraud evidence but I'm sure it is worth some money. I'd be willing to bet that whatever you're getting paid to do this, you could get several times that amount for simply speaking the truth.

I'd even be willing to start a fund.

-g

[tommcintyre]

43. Yeah gary, but who would cover it beside Olbermann? ;+} n/t

[merh]

48. LOL, I wish I was getting paid to post, lurk, play here.

And there are times that I worry I won't get paid at work because I come here way too often. Thank god my boss is understanding and a liberal!

Welcome to DU. :hi: Enjoy the discourse. :-)

[ignatzmouse]

49. Obstruction First-hand

I've no doubt that more is going on than folks generally realize. Since I posted the Unofficial NC Audit, I've had some telling experiences. The biggest thing is that I now find my web access blocked whenever I try to visit election related websites in order to do research. I ain't joking folks. From official Board of Elections websites, to election fraud websites, to Verified Voting, I suddenly found that the "host page does not respond." Three different browsers. Cache cleared. Rebooted. No change. I tried accessing the pages from established web links. No change. At the same time there were no problems with other websites. I verified that other people could access the pages and that the websites were up. Then I tried the blocked pages through a secure connection, and guess what? They pulled up fine. The only difference was the ID string identifying my computer. I've heard the same from others. They will monitor you because you are a citizen trying to do your patriotic and civic duty, and they will try to obstruct you from exposing them. If there were nothing to be found, if the election were on the level, why would they bother?

[merh]

52. I had to switch to Netscape as my internet access program

and then buy Spybot. After running it for the first time, I was amazed at the tracking programs that had leached on to my puter! Don't know if its bad guys or advertisers or practical jokers or all of the above, but folks were definitely tracking, interfering with my internet usage!

I don't doubt a word you write. Folks don't like it when you poke your puter nose where they think it don't belong! :tinfoilhat:

Good luck and I love your research and posts. :thumbsup: Thanks for your hard work and keep it up, we need all the help we can get. A belated welcome to DU. :hi:

[Helga Scow Stern]

58. Thanks for letting us know. I will send it to international monitors,

in case they care.

[glitch]

60. Have you done a thorough scan of your computer? Sounds very much like

a spyware or worm issue. If you do a scan and it checks out clean, do you know if your IP is static? If so, have your ISP give you another address and try the same sites again.
That will at least tell you if certain websites are blocking your IP address access.
Let me know, this is interesting.

[propagandafreegal]

61. What about http://www.anonymizer.com/ ????

This might help as well? If you know of a cheaper or free soln. go with that. :)

[Bernardo de La Paz]

66. Use firewalls that block outbound traffic

A firewall like Zone Alarm (free) will alert you when a program wants to send traffic outbound (and inbound), and ask you if you want to allow it.

In particular, I have noticed some requests to connect to the Generic Host Process for Win32 Services, that is, to allow it to be an internet server. This seems especially dangerous to allow and I never have. I leave the setting for it on "ask first". That means that the first time it asks after a reboot I will get notified.

Thanks to your posting, I will try to see if there is a correlation about the sites. (Note: You have to allow GHPW32S to have "Access", just not "Server" connections.)

[Jersey Devil]

50. I am paid to post here by the DNC

Not really. This is so funny because at MSNBC forums several of us were accused by right wingers of being paid by the DNC to post so that we could interfere with the right wingers' attempts at convincing others that theirs was the only way to think.

BTW, did you get your check yet this month?

[merh]

51. Nope, no check yet, they must be holding them for me!

When I signed up, the form didn't ask for my address. :shrug: Maybe that is why I haven't gotten my check, they don't know where to send it. :crazy:

[EMunster]

55. Does He? Exibit A...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x102443

[merh]

56. Great catch - that has got to be an attempt to misinform.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[tommcintyre]

64. Thks for the headsup "EMunster". I just kicked that thread. and...

I just kicked this one too, thanks to your comment. }(