Please, I need link to the "Bev bullshit"...

[NJ_Lib]

Jesus, I've been gone a day and all hell breaks loose...

Can someone please supply a link for the thread discussing this Bev credibility issue...

Man, I leave for a day with Bev as our savior and hero and I return to unbelievable Bev bashing... And I don't even know why...

I am so confused... What the hell happened?

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. Miscommunications and disagreements.

And no small amount of lack of critical thinking on the part of some people.

There are two sides to every story. Somewhere in the middle lies the truth.

[smiley_glad_hands]

2. A voice of reason.

Thankyou.

[LoZoccolo]

3. Here are the links.

Keith Olbermann:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6533008/#041201a

Bev Harris:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org

Personally, I think Bev should have just cooperated rather than start a war on our nickel. She's got a huge chunk of this movement in her hands; she should be doing the right thing rather than trying to defend herself. All of Olbermann's points could have been refuted if she just comes up with the tape; instead, she chose to bicker.

[Occulus]

7. Are we talking about the Votergate tape?

Or the one with the vote machines paper tapes in the trash?

Are those the same thing?

[NJ_Lib]

9. Thank you very much...

...for the links... I am truly afraid to read them... Not another disappointment...

Thank you for posting the links for me... I appreciate it! :hug:

[unfrigginreal]

17. This isn't the first time that Bev's motives have been questioned

Bartcop exposed her questionable principles years ago. I agree with Keith, she's not doing us any favors.

[Carni]

19. This could be a move by Olberman to force MSNBC's producers

To allow her on the show -- a little tin foil hatish on my part but this has basically put MSNBC in the position of having to allow her on the air because her credibility has been questioned.

Just a thought... but I have no idea what's going on!

[rman]

4. you don't know what happened but you do know Bev "fell down"?

Interesting.

there's no "Bev's downfall"

[NJ_Lib]

10. Hey, chill...

I just returned after being gone and I start reading from the latest thread, back... All I see is Bev this and Bev that and certain people ready to crucify her... I knew something went down because when I left, everything was fine...

Why, what are you trying to say? What's so "interesting" about that?

[Trajan]

Downfall ? ...

No .... there is no 'downfall' ...

There is a 'disagreement' ....

Mind you: there are some here who are very angry with Bev for perceived slights or misbehaviors of the past, ... but on the whole, Bev enjoys WONDERFUL credibility here for the job she is doing ....

Dont either react to the bullshit, or create it ....

There is no 'downfall' .... We have a phony voting system to expose, and we arent done yet ...

[NJ_Lib]

11. Sorrrrryyyyyy... Is that better?

I edited the word "downfall" out... Sorry... You just never know what's going to set people off on you anymore...

It was just a bad choice of a word...

Everybody is SO touchy and SO suspicious today...

[Trajan]

14. No body is perfect ....

Not I ...

Not you ...

Not Bev ...

Not Eloriel ..

Not David ...

And Not Keith O. ....

I am not suspicious: but a little precision is in order ...

[carolinalady]

5. in the middle of the night

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=100808&mesg_id=100808

[NJ_Lib]

13. Thanks for the link n/t

[msgadget]

6. It started with Bloggerman,

the Keith O blog. He says one thing and she another about her not appearing on his show.

[tbuddha]

8. New Jersey Devil and Maddy happened

I know the mod will delete this, but really take a look at their posts and internalize if they are doing us any good...please.

[Name removed]

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[Ducks In A Row]

23. Maddy and the rest of the Bev-bashers need to apologize

[hlthe2b]

12. I fear it is the return of the "Circling Firing Squad" that Dems are so

well known for.... Eye on the goal, folks--please! Now's not the time to inflict nor lick our wounds.

[Carl Brennan]

15. Or "Confusion to the Enemy"?

[hlthe2b]

16. you think this is all intentional?

[Carl Brennan]

20. I don't know. Olberman's "staff" may have gotten

something wrong. If I were Olberman I would investigate that possibility.

Bev Harris is somebody who gets her facts straight.

From what I've seen Olberman and Bev have to very different accounts of what transpired. I would bank that it was Olberman's staff that is at fault. But I really don't know.

[Catherine Vincent]

18. It was quite entertaining last night.

Imo, it started when Olberman referred to Bev as loony on his show last night. Then when I logged on after, we were all discussing it but then a few posters started bashing Bev and informing some of us that didn't know that Bev attempted to sue DU and that she sold Clinton cigars in her past. It was pretty wild. But once everything die down it will get back to normal.

[Ducks In A Row]

22. The freepers are trolling.

[Lisabtrucking]

25. Olberman lied.

[AmyCrat]

26. not to be mean, but do you have anything better to say than that?

that argument is getting pretty tired and old.

[Stand and Fight]

24. Kicking it...

[Skinner]

27. Continue discussion here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=104119&mesg_id=104119