To all you Bev bashers: She has NEVER said anything she did not back up.

[TruthIsAll]

Consider the 16,022 Volusia votes which were switched from Gore to third party candidates. Dan Rather called it a computer "glich" when he saw those votes disappear. They vanished just long enough to cause the the networks to call Florida for Bush. Thank John Ellis (Bush's cousin at Fox) for being the first to call it for Bush.

Anyway, remember those internal emails in which Diebold personnel couldn't explain what happened to those BBV memory cards in Volusia?
How did we learn about the emails?
That was Bev.

Consider the 22,000 Georgia Diebold machine "fixes" just before the 2002 elections.
Who told us about it?
That was Bev.

Consider the TV show when Howard Dean learned how to hack the votes using Access.
Who showed him how it could be done?
That was Bev.

Who has made the whoremedia look like the Bush-licking amateurs they are?
That's Bev.

Bev ain't perfect.
But she's the best BBV investigator out there. By a mile.
No one comes close.

End of Rant.

[Catherine Vincent]

1. Can someone ask her if she sold Clinton cigars a few years ago?

I just want to know.

[qanda]

4. Not trying to flame you

But what does that have to do with anything? And I am honestly just asking-- did I miss something?

[Cocoa]

7. it refutes the assertion

"Bev has never said anything she didn't back up"

[Catherine Vincent]

13. I am asking because a poster last night provided a link

of Bev's website that sold Clinton cigars during his bogus impeachment. Vile repukes and Clinton-haters did stuff like that and I was wondering that if she did do this...why did she do it? That is all. I still support Bev in everything she does at BBV.

[bmoney07]

2. True

Kick

Must stay positive - we've come too far

[Cocoa]

3. she's said tons of things she didn't back up

like implying the ACLU was part of the Diebold conspiracy, but that's just one.

[TruthIsAll]

6. Cocoa, you have always been a Bev basher. You never showed me

a damned thing. Always bitching every damn chance you could about Bev.

You have not one ounce of credibility. Bev has tons.

I know. I have been posting on the dangers of BBV from Day One. I have seen it all. Bev picked up the ball and ran with it. She's still running. While you just sit back and bad-mouth.

I don't care if she makes $10 million on this. But I believe she would be very happy just to see the truth exposed - and not make a dime.

[stellanoir]

8. correction

If memory serves, it was Moveon's alliance with the ACLU that bothered many of us in the BBV movement early on. The ACLU was for BBV's because they felt that they were more user friendly for the disabled. Complaints about BBV's were at the top of Moveon's forum for months and months and months and they did dukey.

There was a rumor that due to their alliance with the ACLU, they wouldn't take action. It drove us all nuts. No one is against the voting rights of the disabled, but such priorities should never have undermined the voting rights of the majority. I really think they just severely underestimated the fundamentally nefarious nature of those machines.

Thanks for sticking up for Bev TIA.

I think this argument of Bev versus Keith is really juvenile and superficial and is a circular firing squad that only undermines the greater goal of exposing the widespread fraud.

Clinton cigars are the very very least of our problems at this point. Bev is a true patriot and Keith's one of the only members of the MSM to speak up.

Thank goodness for both of them. It's just a stupid misunderstanding as well as a possible scheduling problem.

[Cocoa]

12. well, the rhetoric was less moderate than yours

it outright accused the ACLU of being in league with Diebold, and the Carlyle Group, and all the rest of the villains.

At least with the "El presidente" cigars you could smoke them. Bev's current product has no value whatsoever.

[Helga Scow Stern]

14. Thank you for that information.

Because it gives background on what happened with MoveOn and voting issues. It makes sense-- a lot of well-meaning people just didn't get
"the fundamentally nefarious nature of those machines." People are starting to wake up at last. Thanks to Bev and Olbermann, among others.

[el_gato]

11. so much for your credibility cocoa

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

5. No, I won't bash her.

I respect her greatly. But(!), he recent "lashing out" episodes have only served to muddy the waters.

I know it is hard to recognize, but we are all in this together.

[s-cubed]

9. BEV IS MY HEROINE & DON'T WE ALL HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO?

I have not read all the rants about Bev and Keith - I don't plan to. I've got a lot better things to do:
Sending emails to congress & the media & my friends & acquaintences: be the media!
Making flyers and stickers to spread around: be the media!
Getting ready to go to the Ohio protest from DC: nothing like bodies to get media attention!
Analyzing numbers to see if I can find another pattern that needs to be investigated.
Doing my laundry, sweeping the floor, etc.

I don't really care who is right here, this is all a distraction from the big picture: WE ARE FIGHTING FOR DEMOCRACY HERE! LET"S NOT FIGHT AMONGST OURSELVES.! :grouphug:
DONT"T ALL OF YOU HAVE BETTER THINGS TO DO TO? :evilfrown:

[floridadem30]

10. kick

[Skinner]

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x104119