BREAKING NEWS: Kerry Campaign Keeping Eye on Ohio Cases

[tex-wyo-dem]

Kerry Campaign Keeping Eye on Ohio Cases

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By JOHN McCARTHY, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - John Kerry (news - web sites)'s campaign has joined a lawsuit by third-party presidential candidates seeking a recount in Ohio. A lawyer for the campaign said Thursday the campaign does not question the Democrat's loss but wants any counting to take place statewide.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041202/ap_on_el_pr/ohio_vote&cid=536&ncid=536

[Longgrain]

1. Kerry joining the recounts!

:wow:

I just knew he'd come through!

[BradBlog]

41. BREAKING ALSO!: House Judiciary Dems to Announce Hearings for Next Week!

Again, I don't have the creds to post this as it's own item (if someone else does, please feel free to kick it!)

U.S. House Judiciary Dems to Announce Hearings on Voter Irregularities!
** A BRAD BLOG EXCLUSIVE! **
A source inside the House Judiciary Committee has informed The BRAD BLOG that Democratic members of the committee will be announcing public hearings in Washington to begin next Wednesday on Voting Irregularities in Election 2004!

FULL STORY/DETAILS at http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001016.htm

Additional reporting on related matters soon!

As they say...DEVELOPING HARD...

Brad
THE BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[kalidas]

95. Mainstream Media - They are Freaking Borg!!!

Do you think the borgs of the mainstream media will take their heads out from up their asses long enough to notice?

[Jack_Dawson]

2. "We don't question our loss"

SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY WITH THAT SHYTE.

QUESTION THE HELL OUT OF IT AND BE THE CANDIDATE WE VOTED FOR IN THE PRIMARIES.



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[in_cog_ni_to]

6. NO SHIT!!! Daaaamn. What the hell are WE fighting for if

he's not even questioning his loss? GEEZUSFUCKINGKRIST! :grr:

[politicasista]

10. So Smirky is just gone walk?

:wtf:

[MsConduct]

14. He's getting wimpier by the minute! I thought I voted for a real man...

one with brass huevos! I'm tired of picking the wrong guy! LOL

[Pithy Cherub]

30. My initial reaction was girly-man!

Then I thought, just be grateful Kerry's inching his way to light!:)

[MsConduct]

67. I have a problem with the 'inching'. I want a leader who acts like one!

[Pithy Cherub]

73. AWOL vs. Inchworm

A leader would have already been out there...

[MsConduct]

74. Yes, indeed. Love your screen name btw. n/t

[shance]

19. Talking out of two sides of the mouth.

Take a stand John Kerry,

or take a walk down the halls of insignificance,

and/or worse, irretrievable harm and outcomes.

[Jack_Dawson]

22. Hate to think it, but...

Is this the kind of behaviour from Kerry that infuriated the Swifties?

[oscar111]

24. Journalists get things wrong: quote may be off

cant tell you how many times i see a local story i know well,

and see it reported on Natl news, with some details all wrong! I mean WRONG.

Kerry wouldnt be joining in unless he saw a win as possible. would be a waste of time if no win.

[Mojambo]

3. More Breaking News

I'm keeping an eye on that pork chop for dinner later tonight.

[Broken Acorn]

4. This isn't breaking news

They announced this on Tuesday...just a formality unfortunately.

[tex-wyo-dem]

7. Just came across my auto-update news wire...

I think it's a new article on news we were already aware of, but, hey, the more coverage the better.

[ClassWarrior]

5. Rate it a 5!!!

NGU.

[Longgrain]

8. Done and Done N/T

[ourbluenation]

13. Done 3.9 rating with 143 votes

rate her a 5 and keep it up - did I just say to keep it up?

JTT

[karlrschneider]

9. I see the dateline on this, but wasn't it reported 2 or 3 days ago?

Dammit, I can't keep up with all this stuff...
:eyes:

[Patsy Stone]

33. It's the official AP release of the story. Now...

it goes over the wires and LOTS of papers pick it up. We knew about it because we're psycho. We're following this on a minute by minute basis. Mr. & Mrs. America are watching "The Apprentice." Well, OK, I'm watching it too, but...

[kalidas]

11. John Kerry's secret post election strategy

I wrote an article on the above topic. It can be found at this URL:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_politics&Number=293122182&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

Go check it out.

[Quakerfriend]

16. Thank you Kalidas for sharing that

I so appreciate your insight into his strategy! I concur fully!

[kalidas]

44. Nice hearing from you libertybelle

That's for responding to my post and for your positive comments about my article. Believe me, we are going to see some fireworks sooner than we think. Buckle up.

[LittleClarkie]

23. It doesn't matter how many times we explain this

there will be naysayers who don't get it.

Framing. Spin. Beating them at their own game. That's what it's about. Not Gore-ing himself.

This keeps it under the radar. It doesn't matter what the lawyer said if it turns out Kerry won. But we're trying to fly under the Republican radar right now.

[kalidas]

45. I couldn't agree more

The RNC is beginning to get a little shaky about events in Ohio. They are starting to run delaying tactics, like in Delaware County. Karl Rove is always one step ahead throwing sleaze behind him. He may be slipping on his own sleaze in the not too distant future.

[seito]

50. Thank You LittleClarkie,

Kerry is playing this thing 100% right. IMHO

[Carolab]

65. Look, the grassroots are playing this thing

The efforts are coming from The Alliance for Democracy, Jesse Jackson, from CASE, from Cobb, Badnarik and from US among others.

This is GRASSROOTS. NOT K/E. GRASSROOTS.

[TexasLawyer]

25. I loved your article.

very well-written and timely.

[kalidas]

47. How's the weather in Texas?

Thank you for your postive comments about my article. I so appreciate it. I lived in Houston for four months once. Texans were great. They smiled at me all the time. I am not used to strangers smiling at me because they don't do that in NYC where I am from.

I heard the diebold votescam machines were all the rage down there in Texas. A friend said she voted for Kerry, and naturally the votescam machines posted her vote for Bush. How quaint!! How KarlRovesque. Rove wanted Dubya to get a good percentage of Kerry's votes to artifically prop up Dubya's popular vote cushion. PIG!!! I hear Karl Rove single-handely ruined the democratic party in Texas, and now he's got the same ideas for the national democratic party. I don't think he will succeed. He is making too many enemies. His chickens will soon come home to roost and they will covered with his sleaze.

[comradebillyboy]

27. intresting post

we can only hope kerry's post election strategy is a whole lot better than his pre election strategy

welcome to du

[kalidas]

36. Glad to see we're on the same page

I agree. You have to get up pretty early in the morning to get out from under Karl Rove's slime.

[driver8]

42. Karl Rove's slime/Triumph the Insult dog

Did you guys see the "Triumph the Insult dog" when he was talking to all the spinmeisters? Karl Rove walks by and he says, "Karl Rove! George Bush's brain -- I was expecting a much smaller man!"

He then looks at the camera and says, "I'm a dead man."

That killed me. Rove is slimy and I hope karma comes back around on him. No one deserves it more.

[kalidas]

78. Triumph's triumph

That footage of Truiumph the Insult dog in the spin room after the debate was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. What a pisser!!! I loved that insult he lobbed at Rove. It was great. If the Ohio recount doesn't sink Rove, the CIA will. He made a serious error in judgement by pissing off the spies. Spys don't take stuff like that lying down. They know how to find all the skeletons in peoples closets. That's their biz. I can hardly wait to see how it all goes down. I do not think Bush is gonna do four more years. He's made too many enemies, and one of them is bound to trip him up. Bush is used to falling on his face anyway, so it'll hardly phase him. The only difference will be he won't be able to deny it.

[intelle]

29. I really liked your article, kalidas!

Interesting...a lot of us have been thinking that Kerry was just biding his time...never thought of the "retreat" aspect. Loved this quote:

Stillness under the light of day forms the condition for Retreat. An enlightened person, therefore, keeps his distance from mean spirited persons. He avoids exhibiting anger and maintains his dignity…you must prepare to Retreat from a rising darkness that works at cross purpose to your aims…To Retreat at the proper moment is the best course of action. Choose this moment wisely. If you Retreat too soon, you will not have time to properly prepare your return: if you wait too long, you may be trapped. Your retreat should be confident and powerful. You are not abandoning the situation, but, instead, making a wise and timely withdrawal. Until the time is right for a countermove, only small things may be accomplished successfully. Modest but firm arrangements should be made both to aid in your return and to prevent any adversaries from advancing in your absence. You cannot win the war right now, but you can stop the enemies advance. Indeed, Retreat, and concern yourself with small internal reinforcements.

Thank you!

And, welcome!
:hi:

[kalidas]

53. Nothing like laying low for awhile

We all saw what happened to Gore. Unfortunatly, the democratics didn't know what they were up against with that sleazeball Rove back in '00. He is a piece of work, let me tell you. His forte' is winning elections even when he doesn't win them, if you get my drift. There needs to be national oversight of the federal elections, not Republican oversight like there is now. Who knows how many red states are being rigged. Rigging elections has become a republican art form.

I don't think JK even really knew what he was up against when he was dealing with that dickweed Karl Rove, but he found out pretty quick after that Swift Boat Veterans for (Un)truth thing. You better believe that was a rude wake up call for him. Thankfully he has got one of the best trial lawyers in the country by his side to help him nail Rove's ass to the wall. His problem is there are still lots of dum mainstream democratics (a couple that I even work with) that still believe Bush won this election fairly. THey are truly living in la la land. For this reason, Kerry has to tread softly, and work quietly. And when he presents the evidence, it has to be ironclad. And I think it will be because he's got Edwards on the case. North Carolina was a rig job par excellence. Erskine Bowles and Kerry/Edwards probably both won there. But Karl Rove's influence seems to have no bounds. Republicans have no balls.

[Spiffarino]

56. Ah, straight from "The Art of War"

It may just be an ideal strategy. I never really thought of it in those terms. Good work!

[Patsy Stone]

34. delete double

[Patsy Stone]

35. I like this best...

"You are not abandoning the situation, but, instead, making a wise and timely withdrawal. Until the time is right for a countermove, only small things may be accomplished successfully."

See, though, I was always worried that we were f'n up a greater plan. I even posted a diary at Kos asking if we weren't doing more harm than good in calling attention to Kerry while he was working his mojo.

I have always maintained that we are stuck between two possibilites:

1) There is a grand plan at work.
2) There is no grand plan at work.

If it's #1, we're gonna be the last to know.
If it's #2, we're pissed! And, Why the hell wasn't there a grand plan, anyway?

I've always been partial to #1 myself though...I knew he'd turn that damned boat!

[kalidas]

43. Worried about Rove

I'm worried about Karl Rove. He is getting sleezy as usual trying to delay the recount of presidential votes in Delaware County, Ohio outside Columbus. See article on this link;

http://www.votecobb.org/

Kerry/Edwards have their lawyers right on it, but Rove will continue running his delaying tactics as long as he can because he knows that it will be curtins for Dubya if there's a solid recount of the Ohio vote before the electors meet Dec 13th.

Look Patsy, don't worry. Karl Rove knew this from the get go about JK. Of course he knows Kerry is smart and planning for this, especially with Edwards on the ticket. I wrote my article to assure people like us that the game wasn't over, and as Yogi Bera would say "it ain't over till it's over." And believe you/me, we are NOT letting Rove in on anything he didn't already know. He is an evil political genius and he's already twenty steps ahead of us, leaving lots of sleeze in his wake.

[Patsy Stone]

46. Yessssss.

Rovian psyops and Machiavellian manuevers are no suprise to JK either. There is NO WAY that Mr. BCCI/Iran-Contra doesn't know what's up either.

I am always lead back to that "accidentally caught on tape" moment of JK's where he told that campaign worker that they were the biggest bunch of liars and crooks. OK, that's when I sat up and thought, "Reallly? You said that. You know that too?" I live for the plan. The suspense is killing me.

[kalidas]

48. Pray for the outcome you desire

Use your time to ask whatever God you pray to for help unseating Dubya. Ask from the deepest hub of your heart for the sake of the world. And while you're at it, pray for JK/JE to get whatever divine intervention they need to make this happen. I say Dubya's done, he just doesn't know it yet.

[Patsy Stone]

51. First

I love the title. If I only had the rest of that Fortune Cookie to chew on while I dream of that day. I still have my sticker on my car. I don't say that to sound pathetic and weepy (although I have been that as well), I say that because I know that one day, it will happen.

Peace and thanks.

[NVMojo]

59. good warning, I am tired of the lack of awareness on how to deal

with this piece of human crap with a brain ...when are we going to be strategizing 20 steps ahead of the Repukes?

[kalidas]

60. CIA will cook Rove's goose

Most people don't have a mind as evil as Rove, and it takes time to study his moves to figure out how to respond to such a dangerous force while keeping your hands clean and your tracks covered. Rove has single-handedly destroyed the democratic party in Texas with the help of the Bush family's money and influence. The Bush Family makes the Soprano's look like the Cleavers. Kerry/Edwards will bring down Rove. Rove has made the fatal error of thinking he can purge the CIA and re-make it in his own image. I don't think so, buddy. This isn't Austin, it's Washington, DC. The spys are pissed! And they know where all the skeletons are in the Bush's closet. Just wait and see what they'll do to Rove and his poodle Dubya. It'll be the best reality TV you'll ever see.

[New Earth]

61. i sure hope you are right

[Patsy Stone]

92. From your mouth... n/t

[KansDem]

75. I agree as well...

I don't want to sound like a ponnyanna, but I believe we're in the calm before the storm. Kerry knows what he's doing! To contest the election now would only bring on the wrath of the GOP and the US corporate media. He would be smeared daily.

I agree with your assessment except for one thing:

The mild mannered moles of the mainstream media...
Mild mannered? Moles? Going kinda easy on them, aren't you? ;)

Or were you striving for alliteration?

[Darknyte7]

86. I'm down with you...

Well written and dead on point... Well done.

[kalidas]

90. Amen! Dubya stands for disaster

Thank you Darknyte7. Let's hope JK and the GLIBS pull off a miracle in Ohio or we are all skrewed. Dubya is a nightmare for the ages.

[jsamuel]

12. The difference is that it is comming directly from the horse's mouth

Before the Glibs were the ones talking about "the Dems joining".

[oscar111]

18. PUSH KERRY into the white house, despite whatever his lawyer says

his lawyer might have been having a nervous breakdown, or on cocaine... who knows.

If kerry camp is joining in, that is what matters.

Push him in to the WH.

If ohio flips, we all win.

Sixty votes per OH precinct is all it takes , my friends.

SickOut to protest the stolen election is tomorrow Dec 3.. and another post said EVERY fri till inaugration, and longer if need be.

Go Activism forum, look for

WHEN'S THE DAMNED SICKOUT? for details

[angrydemocrat]

15. Kerry! Kerry! Kerry!

The fun part is all the naysayers around here that kept saying he wasn't doing anything that he just quit. When we knew better!

WE TOLD YOU SO!!!! :headbang:

[Longgrain]

17. Word, word angrydemocrat

Let's show these naysayers what we're worth.

Every vote will be counted!

[oscar111]

20. SickOut is Dec 3, fri, tomorrow and every Fri

till inaugration and longer if need be.

For NEW ELECTION.

see Activism forum for thread

WHENS THE DAMNED SICKOUT and other threads

[kalidas]

58. LET THEM FEEL OUR PAIN IN THEIR POCKETBOOKS!!!

see the article I wrote concerning the matter of Kerry's post election strategy a week and a half ago.
It's here:

http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_politics&Number=293122182&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=21&part=

Let's BOYCOTT FLORIDA CITRUS PRODUCTS to show Jeb Bush who is boss. I saw a Florida State TV commercial running today begging us to buy their citrus products because they had 3 hurricaines. Why should we when they won't even cooperate with Bev Harris's vote audit investigation? F*CK them! Let's boycott their citrus products until they clean up their voterscam operation down there. Let them FEEL OUR PAIN IN THEIR POCKETBOOKS!!!

[righteous1]

72. only under the radar n/t

[RaulVB]

21. Go JFK!

There is no retreat now!

[Dancing_Dave]

26. Fraud 2000,2002,2004....WTF

Looks like Kerry was the Skull and Bonesman assigned to keeping Bush in office.

After the exit poll irregularities and illegal disenfrachizement and fraud in the 2000 and 2002 elections, frank and progressive democrats such as Jesse Jackson, Howard Dean and Dennis Kucinich realized that stopping the fraud was an absolutely fundamental issue which needs to be taken care of if the Democratic Party is to survive at all. KERRY NEVER WAS ONE OF THESE SHREWD AND HONEST DEMOCRATS. People who tried to bring up issues related to voting machines found that Kerry didn't get it, probably because he just didn't want to get it!

After this betrayel, there's no way in hell he's gonna get the 2008 nomination! Heck, the state of Massachussets should throw him out of his Senate job and put in a REAL democrat instead!

[comradebillyboy]

28. ya got a point there, dave

[Mirwib]

31. Skull and Bones conspiracy?

If Kerry was supposed to keep Bush in the Whitehouse, there were a lot easier ways to do it. For example, Kerry could have purposely lost the debates. Admittedly his campaign was a bit crazy (that whole "reporting for duty" scene from the convention in retrospect looks a bit campy).

Rather than saying that Kerry was part of a conspiracy to keep Bush in the office, I think a better--and more likely response--is that Kerry was not the most effective national candidate that the Democratic Party had available (actually, getting to within 3 million votes of a sitting president in a time of war isn't that bad). It is usually better to describe other people's shortfalls to stupidity rather than malice.

For some reason, the main stream media got scared of Howard Dean. That speech in which the media said he imploded was a very good speech. Dean had momentum until the media kept playing and playing bits and pieces of that speech without the proper context. It is one of those examples of "media group-think." They effectively killed the momentum in Dean's candidacy. With the compressed schedule, there was no chance for Dean to rebuild his momentum.

[KatieB]

40. Dean came out against concentration in media ownership right before that

Just to add to the theorizing. The media was going to take a big hit if Dean was elected.

[TruthIsAll]

54. Did you read my post yesterday?

You:
Actually, getting to within 3 million votes of a sitting president in a time of war isn't that bad.

Me:
Actually, winning by 3 million votes over a shitting president in a time of war but having it stolen isn't that good.

[Joe Chi Minh]

84. Well said, Truth.

eom

[Chelsea Patriot]

82. Bush Fucked over another Bonesman!

Bush is in Deep Shit...And He knows it.

If Kerry was the Bonesman to throw the election, he would not have won the election. However, Kerry did win.

Now Bush is trying to cheat another Bonesman out of what is rightfully his.

Bush is in Deep Shit.

[kalidas]

91. Dubya for dogcatcher

The people didn't vote Dubya in, Karl Rove rigged him in. Bush didn't beat nobody. The votescam machines nationwide were rigged to default a Kerry vote to Bush. Plenty of people have reported the problem and God knows how many didn't even notice it. Nice popular cushion for Dubya's ass, isn't it? His karmic chickens will soon come home to roost.

[bunny planet]

49. Kerry went to VIETNAM. His allegiance to Skull and Bones or whatever

the f**k it is you are suggesting, ended when his whole world was rocked in that war. He came back forever changed from his experience there. He is an honorable man with honorable intentions for the country he loves. He didn't betray anybody. You will never convince me otherwise.

Honestly,this sliming of Kerry on DU is so upsetting and so pervasive it's really getting to me. It's like the line from jaws for crap sake 'just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water,' there's the sharks again!!! I just don't know if I can stand it anymore. You guys have got to be freepaholics, you are just too cynical and hate filled in your assessment of John Kerry.:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Why don't you go search the site for the pictures posted today of Kerry attending another dead serviceman's funeral in Massachusetts. They broke my heart, not only because another young man has had to die for this lie of a war but because the man there honoring him and comforting his family should be our President. Has His Fraudulency the Chimp * ever once attended a soldiers funeral??????? I'd call that the betrayal, not John Kerry's behavior. I'd just like to find one thread here somewhere without Kerry-haters. Isn't there another place on the internets for you people to go?:nuke:

Breath in, breath out, rant over. I feel better now.:eyes:

[NVMojo]

57. Thank you, Bunny Planet, I couldn't have said it better!

[Alizaryn]

62. Kerry's problem is what makes him so special too

He is a grey man in a black and white country. He chooses the course of wisdom, thought and balance which is labeled as a weakness and used against him to manipulate the part of the population that swallows whatever it is fed.

This world would be a better place with more Grey people in leadership roles.

[bunny planet]

63. Agreed he is a deep thinker and he gets creamed for it time and again.

[txindy]

64. You are one seriously fierce bunny!

And I agree with every word you've written. :toast:

[bunny planet]

76. Bunnies have teeth too!

:7

[Joe Chi Minh]

85. Some really are

fierce - and not just the metaphorical ones. General Woundworts exist.

[IndyPriest]

89. Love to them razor sharp

pearly whites! You go!

[seito]

68. Go to the John Kerry Forum

There are many like minded individuals there.

Thank you for your post.

[americanwhothinks]

69. thanks for the rant...and even though,after writing 10 emails to kerry,

without any reply other than a form letter that acknowledged none of the issues i mentioned, i was starting to get a little freaked out and worried (had i misread the guy?)

i'm still a big fan and i sure hope he can pull this thing off!!

[bunny planet]

79. I know it's very hard to figure out what's happening.

I wrote K a long letter though, and the next day he publicly had his lawyers join the Ohio recount. Coinkidinky, I think not!! (just kidding but I think lots of letters have helped). The mass mailed letter and video we recieved from Kerry, although mysterious, was worded in such a way, that I came away with a lot of hope. The second letter I just recieved did nothing to disspell that feeling. Perhaps he is a bit too busy at the moment, to send us individual letters of encouragement. I do think something is going on and until I'm proved otherwise I'm believing. In any case, whether as Prez or not, I think K is going to go after * (and election fraud and myriad other * criminal activities) with both barrels blazing. He's just not showing us all his cards yet. The man's a prosecutor who initiated bringing down BCCI and Iran-Contra for f**k's sake, he's no wimp by any stretch of the imagination.

[americanwhothinks]

87. i haven't gotten any of those letters, i'd love to hear

about the latest one....

and gosh, why haven't i gotten any of those letters? (this is, of course, how people end up getting all freaked out and angry-- or i should say, i watched this happen with myself: i was in a relationship with the guy....and he disappeared on me.... it's like we were going OUT or something!!)

[bunny planet]

88. It's my understanding that they were sent out to people who had

donated to the Kerry Edwards campaign. I got them via email and snail mail. They were mentioned in threads on DU around the time they first were recieved. Many people just dismiss them as form letters, but there are phrases that seem to indicate the fight is just beginning. I could be delusional, but I prefer to think of myself as optimistic.

[saracat]

94. I think there must have been a financial standard for who got the

letters. I am a teeny bit pissed that I didn't get either letter fom the Kerry campaign or the DNC and I donated! Apparently not enough! I saw the DNC one and the kicker was, they asked for more money. It sickened me.

[bunny planet]

97. I gave really very little money. I just think the mailing was not all that

organized. Some people got them, and some got both,some none. They were also sending a video but I can't remember if it was sent to me or not. I might have seen in Olbermans show. good night. I'm up too late again wondering about this crazy election. I think I'll go out and see House of Flying Daggers tomorrow night, a nice change from politics for the inundated. I will drink saki and go off to bed. I want to dream that JK is the president and that I don't have to look at katherine Harris Blackwell the best dressed and worst governor the great Buckeye state will ever see. He is Cruela duVille part II and he's a black man wiht funny bunny teeth and a tight ass smile. I wish I could go to Ohio tomorrow. Let me know how it goes. Those bad men are stalling again aren;t they. Oh we will never get this thing recounted. But we must, I can't live with the chimpy man as my president any longer. 4 more years of hell, that's what Teresa said and that's what we've got I don't often drink and post I won't write this drunk again, I promise. At least I still add commas in some of the right places. Tomorrow I know it will be better.No Shrub for Xmas. Don't worry he'll go back to Crawford. Pleaselet there be someway to send him back to Crawford. That would be a lovely Christmas present.. this'll teach me to answer my posts when innebriated. Ta Ta, sleep well.

[Shalom]

81. Thanks for Letting It All Out - I Totally Agree

It's not to get emotional when some of our own people, no doubt joined by stealth Freepers, Repigs, and assorted Pedophiles and Sex Criminals, try to shoot Kerry down.

[ginnyinWI]

83. You don't know much about Kerry, judging by your post

Read "Tour of Duty" and find out what sort of person he is. Then you can speculate.

[Patsy Stone]

32. This, right here, is HOT!!!

"In another development, Rep. John Conyers (news, bio, voting record) Jr., D-Mich., sent a letter to Blackwell asking for his assistance in a House Judiciary Committee (news - web sites) Democratic staff investigation of "election irregularities." That probe would be in addition to one sought by the Congressional Budget Office (news - web sites)."

[KatieB]

38. Please post the link so I can pass this around

[Patsy Stone]

55. It'e the main link in the original thread, just further down. n/t

[KatieB]

37. Kerry said that to disarm his opponents

He has to keep their guard down. This is very sophisticated game being played. If he didn't care, he would not be spending the $ on the lawsuit!

[txindy]

66. Absolutely. I agree with you.

But a lot of people don't believe that 'working under the radar' means that they (and, consequently, the B*sh administration) shouldn't be informed of every breath he takes. :eyes:

Thousands of people read these posts. This is not a private forum, by any means. No one in his right mind would post his strategy here to be read if and only if we absolutely
promise to keep it a secret!

[seito]

70. The voice of common sense

I do not expect to be kept informed of every step. I have placed my trust in John Kerry,and I intend to support him. I personally believe that he is working with all of the major groups investigating the election. He made a promise to fight for us and that is exactly what he is doing. The events that have transpired this past week from the timing of Jesse Jackson's rally to the Congressional investigations suggest a carefully coordinated attack.

Things will never move quickly enough for many people on this board. They are quick to jump on the bandwagon and just as quick to jump off. We have real allies in this fight. They include the GLIBS, Keith Olberman, MoveOn, Michael Moore, The Kerry Edwards Team, some Congressional Democrats and the small organizations that are doing the research and footwork to advance this cause.

The enemy is strong and united. To defeat that enemy, we must also unite. John Kerry may not have been the first choice for many. Many do not agree with his tactics. John Kerry has outclassed the repukes and has beaten them at their own game. KKKarl Rove was so smart to lay out the Fallujah trap for an unsuspecting democratic challenge. Kerry was smarter to retreat and regroup.

Now, look at what we have to work with. The Glibs, a small group that received all of its funding from small individual donations launching a recount in three states. A group of Congressional Democrats and the GAO seriously investigating the "fraud" in Ohio. A Kerry Edwards team quietly supporting those efforts with funding and manpower. Jesse Jackson leading a brand new battle for voter rights in this country.

Reform is in the air, and someone is going to take a fall for the crimes that were committed in this past election. I john Kerry leading this charge? I do not know. Does he support what we are doing? Absolutely. If you have any doubts, go back and listen to his video message again carefully. www.johnkerry.com.

Indeed our efforts count more than ever. It will be the collective power of the people that will ensure that justice is served in the end. We must not give up this fight, and we really need to have just a little bit of faith in the things that we can not see.

[texpatriot2004]

80. Bravo Seito, Thanks for this.

Patience is a virtue. Patience leads to stealth, the greatest stealth operation is alive and well.

[lizzieforkerry]

39. You guys, I talked to Hoffheimer on Nov 4th

Kerry has always been involved.

[SueZhope]

52. Then what is this post?

no DNC cavalry, I'm afraid....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x106184

Is there any hope that Kerry is doing something?
other then putting in a toenail to humor us?

[righteous1]

71. JK can't afford to get involved

in a major sort of way. Politically he has much more to lose by alienating a large group of the American electorate not to mention Ohio voters who he will need in 2008 then he does to gain by entering the fray. The people really concerned are a tiny minority, motiviated and vocal, but tiny. He must show a small involvement to keep us, his most devoted base, from turning on him. We are a small group but still crucial, we carry his water are deeply involved in GOTV etc etc, and he can't afford to pi$$ us off. But expect no significant action from JK or his people; A high % of the general American electorate hate a sore loser and JK will not put himself in a position to be called one.

[kalidas]

93. The time for JK to act is now.

If Kerry doesn't expose this votescam operation in the aftermath of this election, he is milk toast. He needs to do it smart and soon (within two to three months). The evidence needs to be rock solid and they have to have Bev Harris looking all middle America by their side when the story breaks. He must do something courageous and soon if he wants to keep his political hopes alive. I have always liked JK, but I don't know if he is up to the challenge

[saracat]

96. I think you probably have his position nailed , righteous one. That being

said, I hope you are dead wrong. The people concerned are NOT a tiny minority. That is how the Party perceives them and they are wrong. These people are NOT going to carry water for anyone in 2006 if they don't see action. I promise you the Democratic Party will NEVER again see the kind of individual donor base contributions again if they don't do something about vote fraud. I am a District Chair, and nearly every precinct committee person in my district is pissed. We also had some angry Kerry volunteers come to a district meeting and refuse to be appointed as PC's because they don't know how affiliated they want to be with the Party. A Party official smugly informed me that their anger will burn out and they will come back as they "have no choice".

I think they do have a choice and I am interested in the Party retaining these people. I am going to go into a meeting with some local DNC people and present the case for reaching out to our base as opposed to those people that didn't vote for us to begin with as from your post above they are still doing.

In the meantime, I hope that Kerry really turns the boat around and that we can convince the Party not to throw us overboard!

[nashuaadvocate]

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