VOTE FRAUD FOLK, READ THIS NOW: HEARINGS!

[WilliamPitt]

From Kevin Spidel of Progressive Democrats of America:

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Friends,

As you know, we are in DC lobbying our allies on the Hill this week. Our
grassroots have made it clear that their main issue of concern right now is
the election recount and potential fraud in Ohio. We took that message from
you at the grassroots to our meeting with staff in Conyers' office.

Conyers' staffers put us in touch with the folks who pushed the Government
Accountability Office (GAO) investigations. We also left with the press
release you'll find below; they specifically requested that PDA get it out
to our base. Next was a visit with the Minority Legal Council, who informed
us about hearings on the irregularities in Ohio being held by the House
Judicial Committee this Wednesday. Conyers' staff has invited PDA to attend
these hearings on the Hill on behalf of the thousands of grassroots
activists who have been writing us and asking PDA to put pressure on the
Democrats. Rep. Conyers and his staff have been allies all along. We will be
coordinating efforts to assure your voices are heard during these hearings.

Stay tuned!

Please read the release and forward it far and wide!

You can download the letter at:

http://www.spidel.net/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf

Kevin Spidel & Tim Carpenter
Progressive Democrats of America
http://www.pdamerica.org

[Maddy McCall]

1. Now THAT'S the way a grassroots effort SHOULD work.

[jamboi]

59. Madsen has briefed Conyer on his information!

From Madsen's E-mail:
"In a message dated 12/2/2004 jamboi writes:
Do you have an idea when the next article will come out?

This weekend... hearings in the House Judiciary Committee next week on vote fraud - we were in John Conyers's office today and shared the evidence we've collected.

wayne"

[berniew1]

97. Full documentation of malfeasance by Ohio Election officials- how to send?

Voter Suppression: STEALING VOTES IN COLUMBUS

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/columbus.htm

The Free Press on Election Day posted a disturbing story, later confirmed by the Columbus Dispatch. The Free Press reported that Franklin County Board of Elections Director Matt Damschroder deliberately withheld voting machines from predominantly black Democratic wards in Columbus, and dispersed some of the machines to affluent suburbs in Franklin County. Damschroder is the former Executive Director of the Franklin County Republican Party. Sources close to the Board of Elections told the Free Press that Damschroder and Ohio’s Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell met with President George W. Bush in Columbus on Election Day. The idea was to discourage turnout in Democratic wards by forcing voters to wait in long lines at the polling places. Such a strategy would be far more effective than encouraging turnout in Republican wards. Elections are all about margins. There are 74 wards in Columbus. George W. Bush won 12 wards, with a margin of 7.35%. John F. Kerry won 62 wards, with a margin of 37.62%. Affecting Kerry’s turnout would greatly reduce his margin of victory in Columbus, giving the Republicans a much better chance of overtaking Kerry given a strong enough showing in suburban and small town Republican strongholds.

In order to investigate this matter, I obtained from the Franklin County Board of Elections all the data I needed in order to calculate, ward by ward, and precinct by precinct: (1) The ratio of registered voters per voting machine. (2) Percent turnout, calculated as total ballots cast divided by the number of registered voters. (3) Percent for Kerry, calculated as votes cast for Kerry divided by votes cast for president. (4) Margin of victory or defeat for Kerry, calculated as the difference between the vote totals for Kerry and Bush.

All 36 of the wards at the bottom of the list of voters per voting machine were won by Kerry, and they include most of his strongholds. In 29 of the 36 wards, Kerry exceeded his city wide share of 62.22% of the vote. However, these wards suffered a low voter turnout.It is important to understand what these numbers mean. The polls in Ohio were open from 6:30 A.M. to 7:30 P.M. That is 13 hours, or 780 minutes. If there are 400 registered voters per voting machine, and turnout is 60%, each voter has less than 3.5 minutes to vote, and that is assuming a steady stream of voters, with no rushes at certain hours. It also assumes no challenges to voters at the polls. If there are 550 registered voters per voting machine, and the turnout is 60%, each voter has 2.4 minutes. All of this amounts to theft of votes. It has been shown above that the Kerry precincts enjoyed a voter turnout similar to that of the Bush precincts when supplied with enough voting machines.

Thus I conclude that the withholding of voting machines from predominantly Democratic wards in the City of Columbus cost John Kerry upwards of 17,000 votes. A more detailed calculation could be done on a precinct by precinct basis, but that is not necessary here. The purpose is to illustrate the magnitude of the conspiracy. Matt Damschroder did not act alone. There are 74 wards and 472 precincts in Columbus, Ohio. It is not possible for one person to have delivered all the voting machines, and it is unlikely that nobody else was involved in planning where to deliver them. Anyone who associated with Mr. Damschroder on or shortly before Election Day should be investigated for possible complicity. Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D. 4 Fisher Street Canton, New York 13617 [phone] [e-mail]

Stealing Votes in Cleveland

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in Warren County, Ohio

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

Favoritism in the Suburbs

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

Analysis Indicates Kerry could win Ohio with a "fair process" and fair vote count

http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/uncounted.htm

[Catherine Vincent]

2. Another poster by the name of Brad just reported the hearings too.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

[WilliamPitt]

4. I'm going down to cover them

so there's that. :)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

6. OOooooo...

I dare your happy ass to live blog it. Double dog dare ya! :D

[WilliamPitt]

10. Uh...OK!

:)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

11. Man! You are easy...

But I would never call you cheap. Never.

[WilliamPitt]

14. Don't be so sure

;)

[hlthe2b]

13. Will you be able to videotape?

[WilliamPitt]

15. Possibly

I am going to pound out the details with my boss tomorrow.

[symbolman]

26. Watch out for rogue cans of Chef Boy R Dee

my friend..

Still can't believe that happened.. almost a metphor for being mugged by the election..

You look great in our film by the way! Very cool quotes..

[WilliamPitt]

28. Nice

When is the film going to be ready, btw?

[symbolman]

51. Finalizing it as we speak

I'm adding some animations I've been working on for weeks - YOur quote about "A Byzantine scheme that has robots choose our leaders, etc, etc" is one of the high points of the film - especially when we added a robot smashing into the room while you say it..

the film is going to be a lot of fun, educational and entertaining..

We'll make sure you get an advance copy.. if I can find your address, been a while since we talked..

Great work you are doing, Will.. we owe you a beer :)

[WilliamPitt]

54. Wait a minute...I'm getting attacked by a maddened robot in your movie?

Out.

Fucking.

Standing.

:)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

66. Thank you so much for posting this, and

Have an excellent journey!

Finally, the Truth refuses to be stifled. This and the lawsuit being filed today in Ohio are proof of that. I am so damn happy our hopes are materializing into reality!

Thank you also for all for the valiant work that you do. You are a True Patriot. :)

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. As someone just put it so succinctly...

Game on. Biotch. ;-)

[RaulVB]

5. Now we are talking

This really is an important development!

7. YAHOO!

I have been CRYING for YEARS about the problems with PARTISAN Secretaries of State being charged with the vote and ABUSING the office!!!!

Dan

[Patsy Stone]

8. Ooooh...Warren County...

Egg-cellent.

[Broken Acorn]

9. Holy Crap!

I just read through the .pdf and the whole thing looks like a smoking gun. I am not sure how this data was compiled so accurately, but maybe it was the work of the 17,000 hidden soldiers in Kerry's Swift Boat.

If this is legit, B*sh could be totally f*cked!!!!!

[berner59]

12. Legit??

This is a House Judiciary Committee hearing...didn't Watergate begin with these??? These questions are amazing...such detail... Blackwell must be shaking in his boots...

"Dec surprise" folks...

[WilliamPitt]

16. Ad hoc committee hearing

An important distinction. The majority would never gavel such hearings, so Conyers et al are just goddam doing it.

[berner59]

18. thanks for clearing it up...

But couldn't this lead somewhere else??? Boy I would love to see big time hearings...those Watergate hearings were GREAT - even though I was around 13 - I remember watching it with my older brother who was saying - this is history....

[txindy]

21. I hope C-Span covers it live, too.

That would be sweet!

[anamandujano]

37. Should we fire off a few emails in their direction?

Suggest Events: Submit a public event that you think C-SPAN should cover - [e-mail]

[txindy]

40. They would appreciate the huge bump in their ratings, I'm sure!

We'd all be glued to the screen!

[anamandujano]

47. I watched the Arnebeck interview from Washington Journal

on the computer today. I quit cable a few years ago but they get many hits from me as I send all my email to congress through them, a great service.

I just sent them the pdf link.

[TexasLawyer]

86. Great Idea

I just did.

[TexasLawyer]

19. Mr. Blackwell....

You got SERVED!

[SharonRB]

80. I sure hope this blows the lid off! n/t

[seito]

17. This is shedding light on the silence...

I would not be surprised to see the Michael Moore election day footage come out during the hearings.

No, there is nothing to see here, just move along quickly...please...

[proudbluestater]

20. I am SOOOO proud of John Conyers of Michigan!!

He was among the 1st to step up to the plate and bring this up publicly.

Hooray John!!! You go!

[shraby]

23. He's been in Congress a long time,

this shows why.

[DoYouEverWonder]

61. Please be sure to tell Conyers that you support him

Last year I spoke to a very nice woman in his office. She was so upset because all she gets are phone calls from freepers tearing him apart most of the time. I told her what freepers were because she had never heard of the term. She was very appreciative of any words of encouragement that people can send their way.

http://www.house.gov/conyers/

[leftchick]

62. thanks for the link...

I will send him a huge thank you! :)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

64. Thank you for the link too! I just sent my email. :) n/t

[bunny planet]

83. Just sent him a heart felt thanks!!!! He sure deserves it for all he's

doing.

[BlueDog2u]

94. I just thanked him and said

"don't hesitate to contact me for support in your own re-election campaign."

[SharonRB]

81. I'm proud to live in the same state as John Conyers!

[merh]

22. So good to hear from you Will and thanks for this post!

You always bring us good news.

[SueZhope]

24. Thank you for this fabulous news

Thank you for all the important work you are doing,
I look forward to what you report

[goclark]

27. Go William Pitt!!!!

[theboss]

25. This is impressive

I don't think it's going to change any outcome, but it's nice to see all the problems listed in one credible document. The process is the most important thing.

[senegal1]

31. Well I don't know who Will Pitt is but this is great news and

its even better that someone will be covering it. What we have to do is mass emails to everyone possible.

[thjay]

53. You have to know Will Pitt

He writes for truthout.org and runs a weekly web cast at the same website. He ran up to the minute blogs at both party conventions and on election day. He has written many editorials. I read truthout everyday. It is my first source for news information. Every DUer should know about truthout.

www.truthout.org

[WilliamPitt]

56. Jesus

Thanks, man (or woman, as the case may be :) ). That was really nice of you to say.

[thjay]

57. your welcome

you should know how much your work is appreciated. :)

[jmcgowanjm]

71. I'll second that emotion n/t

[Spiffarino]

100. Third...

Will does excellent work. Couldn't have made it through this fraudulent election without him.

:headbang:

[Pepper32]

78. Yes, very credible. Wonder what the media is thinking now? n/t

[sarahlee]

29. Came to post it

and you beat me to it, Will. Happens every time I decide to stop and eat away from the computer.

Thanks!

[stella2cat]

30. my ancestors were Pitts, maybe we're related

:)

I haven't been able to get to the pdf file yet, maybe too much traffic. I can't wait to read it!

thanks

[senegal1]

39. I just read it!!! Great!!! Can someone make it into a word doc

instead of a Pdf file so I can email it and paste it into the doc instead of having it be an attachement? Is there a way to do this? MSM here we come!

[moonkat]

101. Opportunity for mischief....

Wouldn't want to do that as the document could then be modified by some unscrupulous types......
Safer to get a reader.

[bleever]

32. Well hot damn. Gonna have us some hearings.

My my my.

And covered by William Pitt, too.

Time to make that popcorn and find a comfy chair.

:thumbsup:

[Stand and Fight]

33. A True Patriot

Thank you very much for sharing this with us, Mr. Pitt. Your efforts are greatly appreciated, and without a doubt widely commended. Thanks for being one of those people taking up the good fight and laying it all out for the rest of us. You and your organization have earned a special place in my heart and mind. I will not forget your efforts and the valor of your character and patriotism.

[BrotherBuzz]

34. Please! Please! Please! Some of us have crappy computers...

and can't download PDF files...can you give us little taste of what the letter says?

Thank you

[Kevin Spidel]

35. the press release

This is the final text of the letter to Kenneth Blackwell. There are more

Members signed on but we are waiting on their actual signatures. The

following Members have signed on: John Conyers, Jerrold Nadler, Melvin Watt,

Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, William Delahunt, Robert Wexler, Tammy

Baldwin, Anthony Weiner and Linda Sanchez



We are faxing the letter to Blackwell right now. If you have any questions

please give me a call at the number below.



Thanks,

Dena Graziano



PRESS RELEASE



Congressman John Conyers, Jr.

Fourteenth District, Michigan

Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary

Dean, Congressional Black Caucus



_____



FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE:

CONTACT:



December 2, 2004

Dena Graziano [phone]



CONYERS, AND OTHER HOUSE JUDICIARY DEMOCRATS ASK BLACKWELL TO EXPLAIN ALLEGED OHIO ELECTION IRREGULARITIES



In response to information obtained as part of the House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff's ongoing investigation of election irregularities in the 2004 election, Congressman John Conyers, Jr., Ranking Member of the House Judiciary Committee along with Representatives Jerrold Nadler, Melvin Watt, Sheila Jackson Lee, Maxine Waters, William Delahunt, Robert Wexler, Tammy Baldwin, Anthony Weiner and Linda Sanchez, wrote to Ohio Secretary of State Ken Blackwell requesting that he respond to reports of election irregularities in the state of Ohio.



The Members wrote to Blackwell:



"Collectively, we are concerned that these complaints constitute a troubled portrait of a one-two punch that may well have altered and suppressed votes, particularly minority and Democratic votes. First, it appears there were substantial irregularities in vote tallies. It is unclear whether these apparent errors were the result of machine malfunctions or fraud.



Second, it appears that a series of actions of government and non-government officials may have worked to frustrate minority voters. Consistent and widespread reports indicate a lack of voting machines in urban, minority and Democratic areas, and a surplus of such machines in Republican, white and rural areas. As a result, minority voters were discouraged from voting by lines that were in excess of eight hours long. Many of these voters were also apparently victims of a campaign of deception, where flyers and calls would direct them to the wrong polling place. Once at that polling place, after waiting for hours in line, many of these voters were provided provisional ballots after learning they were at the wrong location. These ballots were not counted in many jurisdictions because of a directive issued by some election officials, such as yourself.



We're sure you agree with us that regardless of the outcome of the election, it is imperative that we examine any and all factors that may have led to voting irregularities and any failure of votes to be properly counted."



Among other questions, the Members asked Blackwell to respond to the following:



* Why did Warren County officials exclude members of the press from observing vote counting on election night, claiming an FBI agent had warned of a terrorist threat that was a "10" on a scale of one to ten, but the FBI has no knowledge of such a warning?



* Why did precincts in Perry County apparently record more votes than voters?



* Why did Butler County and a number of other counties record more votes for an underfunded Democratic candidate for State Supreme Court than were recorded for the Democratic Presidential candidate?



* Why did historically Democratic precincts in Cleveland record up to twenty-two times more votes for the Constitution Party Presidential candidate than all third-party candidates combined received in the 2000 election?



* Why did voters in Mahong County report that when they attempted to record a vote for John Kerry their vote was displayed as being cast for George W. Bush?



* Why did there appear to be a shortage of voting machines in traditionally Democratic precincts on election day, causing up to ten hour delays for voters, while there was an apparent surplus of voting machines in traditionally Republican precincts?

[BrotherBuzz]

41. Thank you! WOW!

[Wordie]

58. Wow! That's just great! I wonder what Blackwell will say in response. n/t

[Hekate]

63. Thanks! I'll try to read the pdf later

But I think it will probably shut down my computer when I do. I want to send this good news to people on my lists asap.

Hekate

[wiggs]

75. Another question...

...why was the RATE of ballot spoilage so much higher in more densely populated, democratic areas?

[anamandujano]

36. download free adobe acrobat here

http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/

[rockedthevoteinMA]

82. Check out post #38 by ozymandius

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

There's parts of it there, but there is soooo much more to it! :)

On Edit: Thank you Will Pitt!! :)

[Generic Other]

38. Okay, now we're getting somewhere

Thanks for the head's up! Have a safe trip and send us all the details.

[senegal1]

42. December Surprise!!!! Can someone tell me if only the dems

have an "ad hoc" hearing what can this lead too? Anything???

[understandinglife]

43. Cross post from Brad Blog....

....here's the link:

http://www.bradblog.com/archives/00001014.htm

We will prevail.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[Left Brain]

44. Will Pitt

Thank you.
Bless you for posting this.

(edited because I misread some dates, sorry)

[blue agave]

45. Thanks Will, glad you're back !

.

[senegal1]

46. kick

[understandinglife]

48. Three threads on this important info here on DU...

...and pointsoflight has a diary that has already made it to the recommended list at dKos.

This is a major event as all of you know. Since I'm new at DU is there a way for you, jamboi and pointsoflight to cross-link your threads so that they are all visible and the comments in one are readily available to all of us?

And, earlier this evening, I saw a sentence appear that I have been waiting 4 weeks and 1 day to see -- "Did Bush Know?"

I have fond memories of our life in DC between 1971 and 1979; very fond memories of the first of the, now, 34 years we've been together and our wonderful apartment in Georgetown that happened to be directly across the street from one of Nixon's boys. And, I remember those first "Did Nixon Know?" murmurings.

Ah yes, as we had our dinner this evening celebrating the 34th year together we both toasted the first glimpse of the "Did Bush Know?" meme that appeared just as we were leaving for our little celebration.

It's going to get intense everyone -- get ready to jump on that steamroller and stop the paving of our democracy.

This time around, let's make sure that no one, decades from now, will ever experience one of those "Did xxxxx know?" moments. Our franchise is resilient, but it can use a long period of being cherished and nurtured.

And, just start asking and tagging everything with that simple little sentence "Did Bush Know?"

The 2004 National Election is not over and is not valid; a truly fair and valid National Election that chooses the 44th President of the USA is just beginning to show first light on the horizon. Be prepared to bask in it's glow.

We will prevail.

"I Declare The 2004 Election Invalid: Someone I do not know was prevented from voting"

[GetTheRightVote]

50. Thank you all for sharing, I have goose pimples on my arms

This is great and yes Michigan, calling Michigan, we know you are pride of your Congressman.

Congressman John Conyers, Jr.

Fourteenth District, Michigan

Ranking Member, Committee on the Judiciary

Dean, Congressional Black Caucus

My question to you all is as follows:

Is John Conyers the only democracy hero living in your state ??
We could use one of those for own state of Florida.

Thank you for electing this very strong man, one American to another. It all begins with one person who is willing to stand up for what she or he believes in, John believes in counting all the votes.

[FloridaCrat]

73. Robert Wexler, Boca Raton, one of 3 authors of GAO letter

and was one of the three original signers of the letter requesting a GAO investigation into the fiasco we call the 2004 election. Mr Wexler had made several brave attempts at the legal system, both in Florida and in the HAVA - to get a requirement for paper ballots. Jeb fought the Florida lawsuit saying that since Florida had had 2 "successful" elections - 2002 and 2003, that the machines were reliable and didn't need to have paper capability. Can you believe that??? I have to look up to see who that judge was. There was another activity in Congress to add the paper requirement to HAVA was stalled by Frist and repugs. Gee, I wonder why did the repugs in Congress stand in the way of a paper trail?

Did shrub know? Who, that is a repug, didn't know?

[milkyway]

49. Will, read this:

Mentioned in the Judiciary Dems' letter to Blackwell is Auglaize County. At the bottom of page 5 the Judiciary Dems' express puzzlement that Dem State Supreme Court candidate Ellen Connally received substantially more votes than Kerry did in certain counties. She was reportedly not expected to do well against her more heavily funded opponent.

There was an incident prior to the election involving Auglaize County, but first let me show the final updated tallies for Auglaize County:

Bush 17,012 (73.87%)
Kerry 5,904 (25.64%)
Total votes cast: 23,031
http://election.sos.state.oh.us/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=PP

Moyer 11,795 (60.99%)
Connally 7,545 (39.01%)
Total votes cast: 19,340
http://election.sos.state.oh.us:80/results/RaceDetail.aspx?race=CJ

So apparently, even though there were 4,000 less votes cast for the Supreme Court race, Connally received 1,641 votes (128%) more than Kerry.

Two weeks before the election, there was an incident of tampering with a voting machine in Auglaize that was reported in a local newspaper. Here's the relevant paragraphs:

In a letter dated Oct. 21, Ken Nuss, former deputy director of the Auglaize County Board of Elections, claimed that Joe McGinnis, a former employee of Election Systems and Software (ES&S), the company that provides the voting system in Auglaize County, was on the main computer that is used to create the ballot and compile election results, which would go against election protocol. Nuss claimed in the letter that McGinnis was allowed to use the computer the weekend of Oct. 16.

Nuss, who resigned from his job Oct. 21 after being suspended for a day, was responsible for overseeing the computerized programming of election software, according to his job description. His resignation is effective Nov. 11.

http://www.theeveningleader.com/articles/2004/11/06/news/news.01.txt

So it seems that a former ES&S employee was caught tampering with the machine that compiles the election results. I have found no further information about this incident.

I have posted this info before, but let me repeat it here. The name McGinnis pops up a lot when reading about ES&S. There are at least four of them. Dan McGinnis is a VP of ES&S. http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/2001-September/006610.html

There is also a Keith McGinnis. Three of the four McGinnis's were at this meeting in Indiana. http://www.in.gov/sos/elections/iec/minutes/min12799.html

So Joe McGinnis, who was caught tampering with a computer in Auglaize County, Ohio a couple of weeks before the election, is not just any employee. Apparently, he's related to top management.

The Evening Leader's article describes Joe McGinnis as a former employee. I'd like to know why that is. Also, Ken Nuss, who disclosed the tampering, was suspended for one day and subsequently resigned. What's up with that?

I have seen no further reports about this incident. It may very well be much ado about nothing, but it should be looked into, especially in light of the Connally issue raised in the Judiciary Dems' letter. It would be great if either you could follow up on this, or pass the information on to the Judiciary Dems' kick-ass staff.

BTW, the Dem staff's work on this is amazing. I've been following the election fraud issue quite closely, but there was much in the letter of which I was unaware. Thanks for posting the link to the pdf.

[understandinglife]

52. First blip at the NYTimes ... pick up of the AP...

....release:

Kerry Campaign Keeping Eye on Ohio Cases
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: December 2, 2004

Filed at 10:51 p.m. ET

"In another development, Rep. John Conyers Jr., D-Mich., sent a letter to Blackwell asking for his assistance in a House Judiciary Committee Democratic staff investigation of ``election irregularities.'' That probe would be in addition to one sought by the Government Accountability Office.

Complaints received by congressional Democrats include disparities in vote totals for Democrats on the same ballot; too few voting machines in urban, Democrat-leaning precincts; and organized campaigns directing voters to the wrong polling place."

Link:

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Ohio-Vote.html?oref=login

And, WCPO in Cincinnati has picked up the AP release:

http://www.wcpo.com/news/2004/local/12/02/kerry_ohiovotes.html

"Did Bush Know?"

[JohnOneillsMemory]

55. How could we have not MADE SURE there were enough machines?!?!?

That is such an OBVIOUS choke point for suppressing the urban, poor, and minority vote!

Why wasn't there a numerical request made to Blackwell for adequate voting machines per capita or registration count BEFORE all this fraud?!?

How frikkin' obvious is THAT? So much fraud could have been PREVENTED instead of waiting to address the scam after the fact!

[jmcgowanjm]

70. the precincts reporting voting problems/Cuyahoga Co Map

Hint: 75-100% Black

http://www.politicalstrategy.org/archives/000868.php#868

[truehawk]

92. These are jmknapp's maps from

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=84787&mesg_id=84787

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=92747&mesg_id=92747

[jmcgowanjm]

99. Thanx truehawk, so this is from 112804

and it's 120304 now.

About 5 days behinfd the curve.

and I'll be looking for jmknapp as a signpost now.

Thanx again.

You know the expression-nothing's more powerful
than an idea whose time has come.

Looks like this one's a freight train.

[pgh_dem]

72. It does seem obvious...

But despite the SOS and that Dammshroeder guy's statements to the contrary, I have yet to see any evidence that the 'democrats' on the election boards had any say in the distribution of voting machines. The Repubs make a big show of the bipartisanship of the election boards, but seem to shy away from detailing the responsibilities and power of those members.
In which case, maybe nobody but the Repubs even knew about the distribution. Seems implausible...
Anybody talked to any of these democrats?
KEEP HOPE ALIVE IN COLUMBUS DEC 4

[FloridaCrat]

79. Bingo - It was by intent, and not just in Ohio

Long voting lines was a very common occurrence in Florida - especially in the poorer minority areas. Even in spite of early voting, many many people stood in lines for several hours to vote. I'm sure that you will find this problem being referenced in many states if you look into the allegations documented in the GAO letter. There are 57,000 issues brought to the GAO for investigation.

Repugs did not want to prevent any of these civil rights violations since they got away with it in Florida in 2000. Florida was reprimanded by the Civil Rights investigation that occurred once shrub had been anointed. It came out in this investigation that Katherine Harris had paid over $1M for the "felons list" that contained 58,000 names and was 95% Wrong. The list was used to remove people from the voters rolls - over 50,000, by directive from Katherine Harris. When the Civil Rights report came but there were such whining about partisanship, virtually no immediate remedy was instituted. Like dethroning the shrub.

That's why it's important to get to the remedy for this election, before the coronation of shrub II. If they keep getting away with it, it will be a very long time before there will be fair and honest elections again.

[peacetalksforall]

96. To me that is an investigation in and of itself...planning,

appropriations, and sourcing minutes could be subpoenaed? Couldn't they?

[RageKage]

60. Kick

Oh Yes . OH yes. Feels so so good.

[Razorback_Democrat]

68. Kick!

I always liked John Conyers!

[Not_Without_A_Fight]

98. kick

[blitzburgh55]

65. Watchdogs want to know: Did every vote count?

been gone a week. I sure did miss a lot. Still have a ton of DU reading to do. Anyway, here is article with a summary of voter (insert "f" word here) happenings. I haven't seen it posted yet, if it's a dupe, please don't :nuke: me. :)

Does not compute
by Alan Waldman
Watchdogs want to know: Did every vote count?

Talk radio and the Internet are abuzz with suggestions that John Kerry was elected president on Nov. 2—but Republican election officials made it difficult for millions of Democrats to vote while employees of four secretive, GOP-bankrolled corporations rigged electronic voting machines and then hacked central tabulating computers to steal the election for George W. Bush.

The Bush administration’s “fix” of the 2000 election debacle (the Help America Vote Act) made crooked elections considerably easier, by foisting paperless electronic voting on states before the bugs had been worked out or meaningful safeguards could be installed.

The Wall Street Journal recently revealed that “Verified Voting, a group formed by a Stanford University professor to assess electronic voting, has collected 31,000 reports of election fraud and other problems.”

http://www.missoulanews.com/News/News.asp?no=4508

[Swamp Rat]

67. PLEASE

Be careful Will, and good fishing!

I REALLY want to hear them explain overvoting, i.e. Franklin County.

[stella2cat]

69. great image! I love it n/t

[FloridaCrat]

74. Thank you for posting Will Pitt !! Looking forward to next week.

I have been a fan of your work for several years - thank you for helping me to keep what little sanity I have left.

This letter to Blackwell is hugely important - look at all the signers! For the first time, it seems like the Dems in Congress are going to gain some strength in their solidarity. Maybe this is a result, partially, of all the letter writing to Congresspeople being done by plain folk like us. And with all of us spreading the word and making news, this has going to be a lot more powerful.

I bet that Blackwell gets left holding the whole enchilada himself. I don't get the feeling that he's as well protected as Katherine Harris was.

someone stole my vote and I want it back

[rumpel]

76. Thank you. Gave me hope.

[Pepper32]

77. This news is like, WHOA... excuse me while I....

...do a triple cartwheel. Yeah right, I might break something...lol But this is great news!!

Time to let the folks on AOL know.:bounce:

[Pepper32]

84. Perry County= very suspicious

Excerpt:

In Perry County, there appears to be an extraordinarily high level voter registration, 91%; yet a substantial number of these voters have never voted and have no signature on file. Of the voters that are registered in Perry County an extraordinarily large number of voters are listed as having registered in 1977, a year in which there were no federal elections. Of these an exceptional number are listed as having registered on the exact same day: in total 3,100 voters apparently registered in Perry County on November 8,1977.

MORE http://www.spidel.net/ohblackwellltr12204.pdf



On Edit: I almost forgot to say THANK-YOU WILL :)

[chorti]

89. Another surge in Perry registrations

Perry, that's funny. I noticed that voter registration surged 30% between 2000 and 2004, while the population grew at only 4%, so there was a net increase of 26% in voter registration. The largest in the state. The voter turnout, adjusted for population growth, increased by only 14%, which is very average. Also, the shift toward Bush was not much greater there than in surrounding counties. So the voter registration numbers are funny but it didn't translate in statistical anomalies in the voting result - unless all the surrounding counties are also an anomaly!

[Pepper32]

90. It still doesn't pass the smell test, that's why they included this...

...bit of FACT in the letter. I will wait for Blackwell to explain.

"unless all the surrounding counties are also an anomaly!"

Well, that's exactly what were trying to find out!

[Igel]

104. Check here.

http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/results/70/1977/gen.htm

There was an election for state consitutional amendments on Nov. 8, 1977.

I don't know if I'm reading it right: Does it mean that same-day registration was ok before 1978, and they were voting on rescinding it?

[ElementaryPenguin]

85. WOW!! Thanks, Will.

:wow:

[KatieB]

87. You go, guys!

[bmoney07]

88. Thank you

and WOW!

[mzmolly]

91. Thanks Will. DU-ers can pat themselves on the back too because

we provided MUCH of this information to Conyers office and the House Judiciary Dems. We also contacted the GAO and asked for an investigation.

WE ROCK!

Oh, and you too Will. ;)

[anamandujano]

95. Good Golly mzmolly!

I just wanted to say that, nothing substantive to add.

[angrydemocrat]

93. KICK

:kick:

[lip-sink]

102. conyers pdf in jpg format

ive got the conyers pdf down to 10 jpgs that i can zip up and ship you by mail.

if you want a copy email me at [e-mail] and ill send it out to all of you who request a copy and reply in the next hour.

lips

[lip-sink]

103. conyers pdf in jpg format

by mail i meant email. asap