Joe Trippi on AAR now

[Broken Acorn]

talking about the flaws of the DNC

[President Jesus]

1. claims Dem party establishment shut out Dean

really? seemed to me he got more money and exposure than any other candidate leading up to Iowa.

I think it was the voters shut Dean out, not the party 'establishment.'

Disagree? Offer one iota of proof, please.

[Eloriel]

6. No, they shut him out and good

In fact, it was Gore's endorsement that sent them scurrying in a tizzy -- and they succeeded.

Proof? What constitutes proof to you? You can read Dean's book, for one thing, he addresses some of it in there. The Osama bin Laden ad -- that was funded by Kerry supporters and friends (incl. some unions) of Gephardt's, and Gep was promised "a prominent position in the administration, maybe even VP," according to Gep's own longterm friend, consultant and dirty trickster, Joyce Abouzzi. You can google that. Vilsack had a hand in it all. And then there was the Iowa backroom deal, discussed here at DU and undoubtedly somewhere in the news as well, between Edwards and Kucinich. I don't consider them anything but bit players in the dirty business, but wittingly or un-, they played a part. There was much, much more, including in NH. Dirty tricks galore, ugly stuff (to me).

We could also talk about the DNC's front-loading of the primary process which enables them to choose who they want (even if they have to rely on dirty tricks in the 11th hour to get that done) as well. Had there been more time between IA and NH, Dean might have done much better, because he was definitely picking up steam again, but there wasn't.

[PATRICK]

10. But Trippi

himself said that the big problem was there long before Gore's announcement, namely that they had a lot of frontrunning but no substance
to match. it was a lot more than the evil machinations of the laughably ineffectual DNC and had more to do with Kerry's below the radar retooled organization in Iowa.

However it is true when everything goes the DLC and DNC way only a miracle can help them win but nothing can convince them of intrinsic flaws in their thinking.

This election was supposed to be THE test of their power. They now are trying to give themselves a one-handed round of applause. The election showed they can't confront reality, don't believe in confronting it, don't understand it, and find fault finding retrospectives THE thing to do rather than take real responsibility for their blunders. Loonies like THAT might destroy the party if you tried to unseat them.

We need some real "New" Democrats, not old Republicans in Dem clothing.

[bklyncowgirl]

14. Dems good at dirty tricks--when they're used on other Dems

I was waiting to see the general election equivalent of the "Osama" ad that helped bring down Dean. Sadly it never happened. Democrats are much better at savaging their own.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. The Media helped in dessimating Dean.

They made him an object of ridicule.

[Broken Acorn]

2. Bringing up some very interesting points

like how the Dems might turn into the Whigs if they don't start listening to the grassroots efforts.

Dems will put a Pres. into the White House in 2008, but longterm Democratic existence is in question.

[eek]

3. I'd love to see Trippi and Dean do a gut renovation on the DNC!

n/t

[Eloriel]

4. Or how 'bout a brand new party --

Dean's followers came from all segments of the political spectrum EXCEPT hardcore fundies. Dems, Greens, Libertarians, Independents, responsible Republicans. I think the Dem Party is too broken to fix, personally, and it's just a matter of time until he realizes that (I hope he realizes it).

[Kolesar]

12. Me & the Perot voters, together in solidarity!

Dean had a valid claim to being common sense, moderate and fiscally conservative. I just wonder how many republican-types were actually attracted to Howard Dean.

[jamboi]

17. I think us Greens would be happy to take Dean. n/t

[Broken Acorn]

5. Trippi Smmary

Joe's overall position was that if DNC doesn't tend to the grassroots movement within the Democratic Party, they will form their own party and eventually over take current Demos.

Furthermore, he underscored the problem with DNC only caring about stuff in DC and not a national fighter for local Dem races/problems/issues.

Also talked about how at every $$$ Donation Category: $100/under, $250, $1000 levels, etc. that REPUBS led DEMS in contributions. Where in reality, DEMS should way outpace REPUBS in these donation levels.

Finally, he talked about how in the past, if candidates not part of the Washington mainstream would get crushed running for Pres. because there was no medium for them to get message/campaign financing across. Now they will supercede the DNC's prized choices with what the people really want (Dean example). This last point is not new, but still interesting to hear him talk about it again.

[Verve]

8. Joe Trippi for Prez! n/t

[smartvoter]

9. I thought way too big a deal was made of his "rant."

I saw it live (on TV) and thought he was just rallying the troops but the commentators immediately said he's a nutcase. Later, his staffers said he was just trying to rally the troops. I thought it was overblown.

Don't know if he would have won otherwise, but that moment was the real turning point, I think.

[Broken Acorn]

11. Agreed

I also heard that his microphone volume was all screwed up and that led to audio problems (sounding weird) on tape.

I really what would have happened if that speech as given differently.

[Lostnote03]

16. It Was Deliberate re:Microphone

.........A week before the incident on Hardball I believe, Dean stated that he was going to minimize the medias consolidation efforts.....It was an obvious dirty trick that the general population responded to like a dog lapping up anything placed in front of it for supper......I was not a Dean supporter however I recognized this for what it was.....Fascism!!!

[savistocate]

13. His opening quoted by Liz -"Huge (close)Dem loss"

had me disgusted--turned him off. Phenomenol or huge (his adjective way over the top) loss--and clearly ignoring credible indications, proof really, of fraud with more discoverable.

He's getting on talk-crap shows a great deal - it only brings glee and gloat for Repugly crime gang.

[bklyncowgirl]

15. Actually I thought Trippi was being pretty realistic and somewhat hopeful.

Things aren't going well in the Democratic party. Fundamental change is needed.

I was personally outraged when he said that talking heads on TV never received Democratic talking points for the Swift Boat Veterans issues. Guys like Begala, Carville and himself had to make it up as they went along. There was no unified message.

Getting the facts out to the media and to the people who are representing the party on TV is a very basic and fundamental thing.

[janx]

18. What show? Will it repeat?

I just heard Franken reading the riot act to some dittohead.