About the "Brad" revelations on vote tampering.

[Kurovski]

I think that the information is worse than useless.

I post this because I've seen some newerDUers pushing this article.

It could undermine any real investigations as those detractors of securing a fair voting process in America point to us lapping up unsubstantiated claims that are impossible to investigate.

For all we know, it could have come from the White House itself. Or the Kerry camp, for that matter.

It's curious that "Brad" does not offer any way to actually rectify the situation by telling us how to look for these programs. Nor does Brad mention any contact he might have made with the FBI, the GAO, or the Congressmen wishing to investigate our suspicious voting systems. It is, IMO, a Red Herring.

Until Brad decides to come out of the closet with pay stubs in hand, or some proof he was involved in this, people would be wiser to ignore it. I'm guessing that if we see enough of it in the mainstream media--and I've seen it twice on MSNBC-- it could be used to point out "how silly" all this concern about vote integrity is.

From day one, the MSMedia has invested heavily in calling those questioning the voting system in this nation as "conspiracy theorists." This unverifiable bit of info from "Brad" could easily be used to discredit our efforts.

I still somewhat believe that is why most investigation efforts have been kept low-key. To keep the MSMedia, now essentially owned by only 5 corporations, from gearing up into "destroy " mode as they did with Gore in 2000 and Howard Dean in 2004. They also worked hard to crush and marginalize dissenters in the lead-up to Shrub's war.

The proof of any fraud will be in the machines themselves. We must demand access to those machines.

"Brad" is proof of nothing at all, and if he's real, then we should urge him to come forward before we support or promote his specific claims.

The fact that the vote in America is in the hands of a few unaccountable corporations that can do whatever they wish in secrecy because of corporate laws is both outrageous and completely unacceptable.

And there is not a damn thing conspiratorial about that.

So, how about it "Brad"? Even a pimply-faced freep can emerge from his mother's basement and do the right thing.

Of course, the Republican owned companies that designed the programs and machines can end the so-called "conspiracy theories" today by giving complete access to machines, systems, and the rest.


If anyone here knows of anyway to quickly verify the legitimacy of this, I'd sure like to hear it. <http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MEN412A.html >

[aquart]

1. Who's Brad?

[rockedthevoteinMA]

2. Brad Menfil

Hardblogger - David Shuster picked it up yesterday and debunked it. He's was actually pretty cool about it.

" The fact is, Brad Menfil, or whatever his/her real name is... is a self absorbed and sick punk. Menfil only seems to care about making an argument, not about proving one. There are some thoughtful discussions and honest investigations into the troubling election "irregularities." Let's not allow those to get shoved aside or replaced because of quacks like this."

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/

[Kurovski]

3. The interesting thing is that

there are so few "thoughtful discussions" reported upon to be "shoved aside."

[aquart]

4. Oh, yeah. The whistleblower minus verifiable fact.

What a cutie.

[jamboi]

6. For better or worse it doesn't seem to me we've talked much about Menfil

here on DU.

[Kurovski]

10. It's just starting

I saw where a newbie wanted to do their own supportive post on it, but couldn't yet.

I don't think it much matters whether we fall for this completely unreliable report or not. I believe now that it's out there, it is likely to be used by the Repub corporate press anyway.

If we see alot of new DUers or "suspicious" ones pushing this report, we'll have a better sense of from whence it sprang.

[alittlelark]

5. 'Brad' thread here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1410711#1410714

I am trusting almost nothing anymore (after BBV sh*t).

[The Doctor.]

7. Yeah- I've seen it too. Reminds me of this Red Herring I once saw...

The Brad threads are just not substantial, it lacks the ring of truth and the bearer to back it up.

[OneBlueSky]

8. a little too Rovian for me . . . n/t

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[Kurovski]

9. Who, me or "Brad"?

I swear all this stuff is driving me nuts. :crazy:

Again!

[OneBlueSky]

12. Brad . . . I think you're right on . . . at least for now . . . n/t

.

[Kurovski]

15. Yeah, anyone can go the way of Bev, I guess.

:-) I do support her work.

So far it all seems to be personal disagreements and stress regarding Bev and all that.

Still need to read more and digest it all. it's a remarkable period between now and Jan. 6.

[texpatriot2004]

11. Could you please edit your thread and add Menfil to the title?

There is a very reputable Brad covering the issue and it's kind of confusing. Thanks.

[Kurovski]

13. Edit time expired 10 min. before your post.

Who is the Brad you speak of? Do you have a link?

I see I could have been clearer, and do apologise.

[JWP]

14. Reads like parody to me