Shrubs Campaign & GOP Emails contain Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet

[merh]

Remember the satire site "georgewbush.org" and the dead letters it posted just before the election. They were emails that members of the shrub campaign and the RNC sent to each other that ended up in their "catch all" mailbox. The shrub's campaign site was georgewbush.com, so email to folks working on the campaign were to be sent to .com and not .org. Apparently campaign workers and rnc folks couldn't get the email addresses correct and were sending to the satire site (.org).

Well, look at one of the emails. It has an excel document entitled "Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet". It appears from the contents of the email, the repukes sent out letters to all the registered voters in the county and those that came back were listed on the spreadsheet. (I couldn't open the excel document so I don't know what it contains.) Now, did our friendly repukes get folks to go vote in place of those voters that had moved and did not receive their letters? Were they able to pad the votes that way? :shrug:

What do you guys think? (Also note that the reply to the original email containing this spreadsheet states that the list is Douglas and Carson Counties.)

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-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Carr's Blackberry
Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 5:57 PM
To: Rich Beeson ; Cary Evans ; Scott Stewart ; Goose; [e-mail]; [e-mail]
Subject: Fw: douglas county voter confirmation

This is actually from carson and douglas

-----Original Message-----
From: "Christopher M. Jaarda"
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2004 12:54:38
To:[e-mail]
Subject: douglas county voter confirmation

Chris,

Attached is the excel document with the returned mail from Douglas County.

Chris Jaarda

Chris Carr
702-258-9182 p
702-258-9186 f

ATTACHMENT: Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet.xls

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

[teach1st]

1. The spreadsheet

The spreadsheet lists 21 people and their addresses. There is a "Party" column, but it's blank for each person. The "Description of problem" column is also empty.

First name Last name Suffix MI Address City Zip Party USPS Key Description of problem

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/attachments/Douglas%20County%20Voter%20Fraud%20Master%20Spreadsheet.xls

[merh]

3. Do you understand how they could have used this list?

They could simply send 21 people to the polls to vote for the 21 people that are registered voters but no longer resided at their addresses. 21 people here, 50 there, it would be a way to pad the votes in all counties. If an investigative reporter could track down the actual folks and ask them if they voted and where, this could be checked out and it could be a "smoking gun".

[teach1st]

5. I just wanted to...

..describe the spreadsheet since you wrote you couldn't open it. I do wonder about using the word "fraud" in such a list. Not a good idea. Also, the "problems" column could indicate that someone was simpley intending to compile a list of voting problems, could it not?

[merh]

6. I thank you for describing it and posting the link to the

attachment, I was able to open it thanks to your link.

It could be just a list of problems or it could be a list of ghost voters. Voter Fraud suggests it is more than just a list of problems.

Thanks for the help! :hi:

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. They didn't go to the polls, they voted absentee

This is one of the ways they padded the votes for Bush. I was told by an SOE in FL, that the REP were very interested in the Inactive Voter lists and kept coming back for them. This is why so many people got absentee ballots that they didn't request.

[emcguffie]

83. also why they remove people after 2 years

I thought two years was pretty quick to be takign people off of the rolls. This could explain why they would be so eager to do that.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. So far I've done a white page search on some of these names

And there are no listings for them. I used yahoo white pages.

[berniew1]

43. They also used such lists to challange Dems who the letter didn't reach

They also used such lists to challange Dems registration who the letter didn't reach

[sharman]

54. Easier than that

Add 21 votes to the totals, and make sure (when convenient) to sign for the 21 ghost voters in the sign-in register.

Less risky too, in case the real voter does show up.

OTOH, it could be just part of their concerted effort to disqualify as many Dem-leaning voters as possible. I recall hearing of several voters who were told their registration was being yanked, because they failed to respond to the RNC's registered letters.

[Carolab]

2. OMG, how did you get this?

Actually, I read an article or two about how some people were taken off the rolls because registrations were sent out and came back undeliverable.

Apparently they were sent out in order to find out if certain people's names could be used to "ghost vote" for *.

This is an incredible find. You need to send it to Greg Palast, Cliff Arnebeck and Greg Palast. Can you do that? If not, tell me so and I will.

[merh]

4. Please send it to anyone and everyone investigating this.

The caging list for Jacksonville voters is something also found on this site, but I believe Palast wrote about that in October. He may not be aware of this list because I think it was added to the site after his article.

Isn't this amazing, it could be a way they padded the votes throughout the country. I am glad I know my poll workers. Geeezzzeeee

[Carolab]

Please let us know if you've sent it on

so we know that it's been done. Thanks.

[rodeodance]

9. major news outlets/newspapers picked this story up ealier

If there is 'something" to it--why has it not been made an issue already?


From the first link:
.....READ ABOUT THESE E-MAILS HERE: BBC Newsnight, Los Angeles Times 1, New York Daily News, NEWSWEEK, Los Angeles Times 2, eWeek.com, SALON, Indian Express, The Washington Post, Wonkette, Portland Press Herald.....

[CindyDale]

18. It's amazing what people will miss

so it's possible no one caught it. The "Fraud" thing isn't in the subject line. It's at the bottom.

One of the e-mails was noted to be probably a fraud, though, on one of the sites that covered the story. It wasn't this one, but you never know.

Cindy

[roseBudd]

20. The bogus email that was sent to georgewbush.com dead letters

was a couple days after the dead letters file was revealed on blogs and DU. It was an email about redlining in OH and I contacted the Kerry campaign in Cincinnati almost immediately. Within just a few minutes however DUers discovered that all the email addies in that email were bogus. So someone sent a dead letter purposefully to try to set us up.

[bemis12]

23. Party pooper :-)

Don't worry, your post will get ignored anyway. :-)

[roseBudd]

24. Excuse me? I am referring to a set up that occured after the

dead letters file was revealed on DU. Do you really think DU is not read by Freepers and that a freeper or GOP operative is not capable of purposefully sending a bogus letter out? This was in Oct. 3 days after the dead letters file hit the blogs and DU. In fact the owner of the parody website that published the dead letters file removed the fake letter once it was discovered it was a set up.

Have you forgotten the forged documents debacle on CBS. That may have been a Rovian set up.

[suziedemocrat]

25. The Thomas Crown Affair

Remember the heist scene in 'The Thomas Crown Affair' where Pierce Brosnan is disguised as Magritte’s Man in the Bowler Hat? Security is watching him, when all of a sudden the museum is filled with men in bowler hats. Security gets confused and they don't know which one is Brosnan and he gets away.

Do we have a bunch of freepers in bowler hats distracting us from the real story? I think they are very smart - but we might just be smarter.

[roseBudd]

26. My point was that the dead letters file had the potential to contain

red herrings and traps. After the dead letters file was publicized on blogs and DU it WAS sent a bogus letter. In our excitement the damaging info in that letter was sent out without vetting to determine authenticity. I searched my email for the day the bogus dead letter surfaced, it was Oct. 28, so I would approximate the outing of the dead letter file to be about Oct. 25.

Because I sent the bogus letter to someone in the Kerry campaign I have a copy of the bogus letter, which I have pasted below.

From: Ohio 23rd <[e-mail]"
target="_blank">mailto [e-mail] >
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 4:56 AM
To: [e-mail] ; [e-mail] ;
[e-mail]
Subject: NEED DISTRICT UPDATES ASAP!!!!!!!

Carl, Sandra, and staff:

We have redlined the district (that gets us about 70%
of their voters) for challenges but we need the
updated voter maps ASAP! We're still working off of
2000 maps. This is the THIRD email I've sent out on
this people. Let's get it together the electoin is
TUESDAY!!!!

The more we challenge the more we get!

William
Ohio 23rd District Supervisor
[e-mail]
[e-mail]


It's form this thread on DU (Democratic Underground)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1197740#1197787

[suziedemocrat]

27. Right - I didn't mean You were a freeper.

I meant the people behind the bogus letter were freepers. (Maybe not the right word) I was saying the bogus letter = man in bowler hat which distracts us from the real stuff they sent to the dead letter office.

I follow this story constantly because I'm convinced there was fraud and I can't wait for it to come out. But - I'm confused as hell by a lot of this. I don't see how people keep up.

[roseBudd]

28. I was called a party pooper by someone with only a few posts

to my initial cautionary tale regarding what appeared to be a smoking gun in the dead letter file. Dead leters before about Oct. 25 are probably legit.

[bemis12]

29. That was me

and it was a tongue-in-cheek post. Don't be so sensitive.

[Dancing_Dave]

51. It's tough to keep up with covert ops, psy ops etc.

What the neo-cons assume is that even if the evidence of their crimes does get out on the web, few people will have the time, energy and critical thinking skills to sort it all out and arrive at the truth.

But so many of us are now watching them much more carefully than we were around 9/11/2001...or during the 2000 and 2002 elections. We're gonna get the truth about this one out faster than they can establish a lying official mythology!:yourock:

[merh]

31. Notice the sites explanation, posted just before the emails.

DEAD LETTER OFFICE

E-MAIL FROM THE GEORGEWBUSH.ORG "CATCH-ALL" MAILBOX

OCTOBER, 2004: Recently, we at GeorgeWBush.org happened to notice that our mail server had a default "catch-all" mailbox, which for the past several months had been quietly gathering any and all e-mails addressed to @georgewbush.org. We felt the need to share.

10.29.2004 UPDATE: GeorgeWBush.org initially posted a select few highlights of the e-mails from its catch-all mailbox. But in response to overwhelming interest in this material, we have since dug back into the pile. You'll find today's newly posted e-mails in the YELLOW shaded boxes below. Also, the catch-all box has now been disabled, having been suddenly overwhelmed by thousands of spam and virus e-mails.

=======================================

Did the press see this email? Was it there when this hit the airwaves? Notice they did go through their email and purged the emails that could not be attributed to gwb or rnc folks. The email you have posted is not on this list.

[merh]

57. Look at the explanation/intro again and you will note that the

emails that are in the "You'll find today's newly posted e-mails in the YELLOW shaded boxes below. Also, the catch-all box has now been disabled, having been suddenly overwhelmed by thousands of spam and virus e-mails."

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp


The media covered the caging list that is contained in another email and the GWB's mess up in sending campaign material to the wrong email addresses.

[indigo11153]

21. This is interesting please help

I want all links to this to look at this myself. I was an alternate election Judge on election day in Collin County, TX. This is a republican stronghold. If votes were padded in TX this would be the place. All republicans in every public office. They have diebold machines (new this year and no paper trail) Democrats tried like hell to change this.. I regress. Any way I notice some things that were odd. I have worked many elections and I noticed some very strange stuff. Like we had all these people that came in to vote that had been dropped from the rolls. A bunch. Also had record turnout. Big early vote. (If you were going to vote ghost voters this would be when to do it.) Same person could come back over and over again as a different person each time for two weeks and never be caught. I think this is important. Also. Has any one checked or can check to see if any of these people voted? The county should have info.

[merh]

58. Then link you need is the "dead letter" posting on georgewbush.org

This is a satire site and as the page containing these emails explains, the GWB/RNC mistakenly sent the email to their website and all ended up in their "catch all" mailbox.

DEAD LETTER OFFICE

E-MAIL FROM THE GEORGEWBUSH.ORG "CATCH-ALL" MAILBOX

OCTOBER, 2004: Recently, we at GeorgeWBush.org happened to notice that our mail server had a default "catch-all" mailbox, which for the past several months had been quietly gathering any and all e-mails addressed to @georgewbush.org. We felt the need to share.

10.29.2004 UPDATE: GeorgeWBush.org initially posted a select few highlights of the e-mails from its catch-all mailbox. But in response to overwhelming interest in this material, we have since dug back into the pile. You'll find today's newly posted e-mails in the YELLOW shaded boxes below. Also, the catch-all box has now been disabled, having been suddenly overwhelmed by thousands of spam and virus e-mails.

READ ABOUT THESE E-MAILS HERE: BBC Newsnight, Los Angeles Times 1, New York Daily News, NEWSWEEK, Los Angeles Times 2, eWeek.com, SALON, Indian Express, The Washington Post, Wonkette, Portland Press Herald

http://2004.georgewbush.org/deadletteroffice/index.asp

[Truman01]

67. Why would the GOP pad votes in a stronghold?

It would be dangerous to risk such an operation in a stronghold where it isn't going to matter. TX was never in danger of even being close.

TC

[merh]

70. They padded votes in strong holds because it increased the

idiots popular vote, just in case there is a question regarding who won the electoral college (Gore v. Bush 2000) and because no one would question the padded, after all the areas are red any way.

BTW Nevada was not a strong hold and its vote totals are questionable.

[merh]

32. Do you happen to have Arnebacks and Palast email addresses?

I do want to send them something - just a thought or two. If you have them, would you be so kind to share them with me. Thanks.

[ClintCooper2003]

46. [e-mail]. Also [e-mail] for Madsen

[ClintCooper2003]

47. Correction! [e-mail]

[merh]

59. Thank you and welcome to DU!

:hi:

[Not_Without_A_Fight]

50. Arnebeck's email

[e-mail] -- I've gotten one email from him thanking me when I emailed him a transcript of his interview with Evan Davis that is on the Pacifica Radio website -- which jamboi, a DUer, transcribed.

[Quakerfriend]

7. Great find!

I did open it up and found that it only has 10 names on it. The addresses are all listed in "Gardnerville" ?? Perhaps, this was an update to a previous spread sheet. I am going to look up some of the names and see if they are still living/deceased. }(

[Carolab]

8. This is great also because

there are people working inside the * campaign listed there.

[teach1st]

10. Ten?

I see 21.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. I see 21 too. n/t

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. It's Gardnerville, Nevada.

[WritersBlock]

15. How many other cities was this done in?

The very last e-mail on that page is from someone at usmonitor.com. There's a file attached containing a list of cities that are "available to you for Standard Monitor." It's six pages long, and has cities all over the country listed.

I don't know anything about marketing or mail monitoring, but I went to the company website to find out more. From what I can tell, they offer services to track whether mail is delivered, and how long it takes to be delivered. It looks like this is for snail mail, because they say they're also developing a program to monitor e-mail.

So does this mean that returned mail was monitored all over the country?

[CindyDale]

16. Geez, why would they call it "Fraud Master Spreadsheet"

unless they were trying to get caught? How bizarre!

It's possible someone could have known about the site and be trying to simulate a fraud, either a discontented Republican or someone else, so this would need to be investigated very carefully.

It really is strange, though.

Great find!

Cindy

[AndrewClarke]

17. They would call it that because

. . . either:
(a) it was a list of potentially fraudulent registrations that would be used in complaints against Democrats; or
(b) they would use (a) as an explanation.

[CindyDale]

19. OK, so it's probably a checklist to document fraud by Dems?

That would make more sense than someone calling what they themselves are doing "fraud." It would be unlike these folk not invent some sort of doublespeak for anything they're doing that's wrong.

Instinctively, it didn't sound right to me for that reason. LOL

Would be cool if someone found that any of these missing voters had voted for Bush, though.

Cindy

[roseBudd]

22. The GOP used returned mail to compile their vote challenging lists

of African Americans. They assume blacks are voting dem so they are easy to locate and identify for votye suppression because of housing segregation.

[merh]

30. Isn't that their caging lists, like the list attached to another

email on this site. It contains over 1000 names in the Jacksonville area. If this were a caging list, then that is what they would name it.

I think the absentee ballot scenerio is how they utlized this list and other similar lists.

Why did GOP name it "master voter fraud list", arrogance. They never expected anyone to review their emails.

[SharonRB]

48. That's my take on it.

I think they called it that because they were using the lists to try to catch false registrations by Democrats. I can't imagine them calling their own fraud by what it was.

[Carolab]

56. No, you don't get it

they would call it that to make it look on the "up and up"--like they were looking for fraud, when in fact they were looking for names with which to conduct fraud. See?

[Truman01]

68. Great Question!!! It's because this has nothing to do with.....

them committing fraud. They were looking for fraudulent registrations on our side.

TC

[merh]

71. You have your opinion -

and opinions are like belly buttons, we all have them!

Welcome to DU btw :hi:

[corbett]

33. 3 Parallel Facts

I don't know whether this is real or not but I wouldn't put it past the Righties. Hubris was rampant among Rove's middle minions and this is just the sort of gaffe they'd commit. There are 3 facts which I can share, though:

1) In North Florida, caging lists were a well known entity within the Bush campaign.

2) In Ohio, a significant number of "bad addresses" which the Bush campaign used as a challenge of voter registrations belonged to forward-deployed members of our military! They didn't seem to care about the circumstances.

3) At the national level, the plans to assure a Bush victory by taking control of the count in key states was something of an open secret within the inner sanctum. For proof, I refer you to the clip from the documentary made by Representative Pelosi's daughter. If you'd like to see it, please send me a private message with your email address and I'll send it to you (620kb Quicktime)

[merh]

38. Hubris is the right call -

They never thought any one would find this outside of the campaign and if they did, who would think they would be so stupid as to label it what it is, voter fraud information.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[CantGetFooledAgain]

34. Excel summary information for that spreadsheet

Date Created: Monday, September 20, 2004 8:40:55 AM.
Author: Network & Online Services
Company: Republican National Committee

Just in case that helps in determining its veracity.

[merh]

35. Thank you for this info!

Welcome to DU.

If you look at the introduction to this information on the satire site, you will see that the press did cover this to a degree (the caging list with Florida voters).

I do not know if this master voter fraud list was on the site when it got the media attention. I want to say it wasn't.

I think this is legit, I just am not sure what it means.

:hi:

[CantGetFooledAgain]

39. I don't know what it means either!

I wish I did. But it's interesting. At the very minimum it provides a window into tactics used in the election.

And the use of the term "Voter fraud", even if used specifically to mean "Democratic...", still makes this a potentially valuable document.

Thanks for the welcome merh! I'm glad to be here.

[Hobbes199]

36. Awesome,

Kick.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

37. Dan Rather strategy

The forged docs on Bush's "service" contained true info*, but that became unusable because the document was fake, and everything associated with it could be easily dismissed. Watch out how you represent it.

Great stuff! Great "W" site.

*(As opposed to the U.S. / Brit forged tellow cake docs, which were forged and untrue, but somehow didn't deflate their pro-war PR. Hmm.)

[merh]

42. As I pointed out, these emails (the majority of them, the gray

shaded ones) were the subject of media coverage, especially the email containing the caging list from Florida. See the list of media coverage in the intro. The campaign and the RNC did not deny them, did not respond to the articles that I know of.

As noted in the introduction on the site and the email from a DUer above, some of the emails were fakes, but apparently the site did go through and remove the fake documents.

I am not representing it any particular way, I have put it out there and am asking for comments. I represented it as it is -- maybe folks with more involvement than me can make heads or tales of this and can use it or refute it.

:hi: Welcome to DU!

[snot]

62. I AGREE -- proceed with caution

[merh]

73. Why - we are just questioning their list?

Not like we are pursuing fraud charges and not like MSM is giving this much coverage.

Welcome to DU BTW :hi: Enjoy your stay.

[O.M.B.inOhio]

40. So can the caging lists be used to narrow search for fraud?

...See who's on the lists, see whether they voted (somebody voted for them) at former, invalid address. Find the people and ask if, where, how they voted.
Anybody here near Douglas Cty?

[CantGetFooledAgain]

41. A bit more information on one of those people

Tommie A. Goldston of Gardnerville NV.

Found in a list on a Nevada hunting site.

http://www.huntnevada.com/draw/draw5/2002/40000146.HTM

[merh]

44. Thank you for this information. I wonder if this fellow

lives in Douglas County. :shrug:

[ccarter84]

45. lets be cautious with this

We all hope they're stupide enough to call it fraud in the title...but Rove isn't dumb and knows we're looking hard at this

[read the law first]

49. They meant us - Just a guess here

They were accusing US of fraud. Pukes are obsessed with suppressing voter registration. They weren't labelling their document "Here's how we're going to commit fraud." They were accusing us of fraud. Now, isn't THAT ironic.

[liberal43110]

52. Yes, They Were Accusing the Dems of Fraud, Not Admitting It for Themselves

The list contains names and addresses of returned mail, presumably because the names or addresses were bad. So it's a watchlist to make sure that Dems don't use the names to vote fraudulently. It's not an admission of fraud on the Repubs' part.

[NVMojo]

53. for what it is worth

I was registered Repuke for a few years, largely because I live in a Repuke county and my vote was worthless in local elections that determined who would run in general for city councils, county commissions and school boards, I was a local gov employee and it was important to have a say in which elected officials we all worked for at the time. I switched back to dem after I was no longer a government employee and just after 9-11 happened and I finally understood what a neocon was.

To get to my point, I was absolutely amazed that I was still listed on the state repukes mailing and phone lists. I kept getting all these postcards to fill out so I could vote Republican in Nevada with an absentee vote. I swear, in the weeks leading up to the general election, I got several repuke things every day. I also got daily, sometimes 3 times a day, phone calls to my personal cell phone from Repukes recorded by the likes of Bush, Cheney, the NV governor, Senator John Ensign. I finally turned off my damn cell phone cuz I got so many, three days later, my voice mail was overloaded with state repuke messages. It was fucking incredible.

In the initial weeks of getting repuke postcards telling me how important it was to vote absentee for Bush, I got pissed off and called the County Clerk to make sure that my switch to Dem two+ years ago was recorded. She says, yes, I then ask, "if that is so and I've only lived at my current address for one year, how in the heck did the Republicans get my current address and why are they bombarding me with vote for Bush crap like I am still a Repub which I have been for over 2 years?" She couldn't give me a straight answer. She finally said that the Republicans may have requested the voter lists from two years ago when I was on it as Repub and then mailed me to see if I had moved, were able to trace my move but never bothered to note that I was now a Dem.

Who knows but reading all this just reminded me of how "hounded" I felt by the Repubs in Nevada this past election....how they got my current address, sent me their propaganda and called my home and cell phone over and over again in spite of the fact that I was registered Dem for over two years still puzzles me.

[witchhazl]

55. Of course they're referring to supposed DEMOCRATIC fraud.

We know they mass-mailed new Democratic registrations to "test" their addresses. If the letters were returned, the registration could be challenged. Here in Pennsylvania, everyone I signed up to vote got several followup letters from the Rep party, "welcoming" them to vote(even tho they signed up Democratic). (PS-- no letters from the Democrats.)

But what if they did the exact same thing with inactive voter lists? And then if the letters were RTS (returned to sender), those voters would be ripe for use for fraud. Maybe that even had something to do with the big stink in Ohio over all the "challengers" they signed up to man all the precincts -- who in the end did very little challenging. Maybe their real purpose was to check to see if these voters turned up to vote. If by some late point in the day they didn't show up, then a "surrogate" could vote for them? I don't know how strict Ohio was about voter ID. Or didn't I read somewhere about some counties getting large numbers of late-arriving absentee ballots? Just brainstorming.

[merh]

60. What if they used this list and hundreds of others like it to

cast absentee ballots or have ghost voters vote for the shrub. They did so many things to pad the popular vote for the weed that would be king, I would not put it past them to use the list in just such a manner.

I have posted this in Voter Issues forum in the hopes that someone from Nevada will take an interest in the contents of the excel document. With only 21 names on this particular list, it seems that these votes would be easy to trace.

[Dem2theMax]

61. I posted links to EVERY one of the 'new' yellow highlighted emails

and the attached files that were in the Dead Letter office BEFORE the election and asked for help in looking at them. Not one person would do so.

Glad to see you got some response.

I have them all on my computer. Went back to double check on the one that you posted here. Yep, I have it. From before the election.

[snot]

63. Wait a sec

The argument is, they were using this to commit fraud for their own benefit, but they decided to put "fraud" in the name, meaning to refer to Dem. fraud? This seems rather implausibly tempting-fate-ish to me.

I'm not saying, disregard; but pls proceed with caution.

[Bill Bored]

64. The terminology is important here

When the Repukeinators say "voter fraud", they mean people showing up to vote who are deceased, not registered, etc. It's their answer to our charges of voter suppression and _election_ fraud. They think we Dems are trying to pad the vote in this way and they make it sound as if it's a big problem. The list could have just been names whom they suspected of being fraudulent Dems that they could challenge. Probably people who didn't live at the addresses they mailed to anymore, so the mail was returned.

It's nice to know that people are searching through these emails though!

[Hekate]

65. Are you saying the Repubs titled their OWN doc "Voter Fraud"? No way

Did I understand you to say that a document allegedly from Republicans was titled "Douglas County Voter Fraud Master Spreadsheet"?

Because I have got to point out that anyone engaged in a criminal enterprise and making a record of same would have to be a blithering idiot to put a title like that on any of it.

It's much more likely that they'd take a page from Dubya's playbook -- you know, where "Clear Skies" means "Asthma for All," and "Healthy Forests" means "Clearcut While the Cutting's Good." Thus, you'd expect this one to read "Douglas County Get-Out-the-Vote Master Spreadsheet."

If this doc is really from the Republicans, it's poison bait for the unwary. Don't let yourself be Dan Rathered.

Hekate

On edit: Anything's possible. Maybe someone there was arrogant enough to call it that.

[merh]

75. Since I am not a member of the MSM

I cannot be Rathered! Just asking questions. As I have said, they are so arrogant, they never expected the list to get in the hands of the public and if it did, questions and doubts like yours would handle that!

(ps - Rather's docs were never proven fraudlent.)

[Hekate]

82. I think Rather was ambushed in that the content was true, but...

...the documents themselves were forgeries. His source may have believed they were real -- but I didn't follow it that closely, so I don't remember if Rather's source got them from someone else. In any case, it's the kind of thing newsmen and attorneys dread, because it can taint your case beyond redemption.

Which, it is important to note, serves the BFEE's goals admirably.

The above is my opinion, based on my observations from afar. I have no documents or first-person accounts given to me that would support my "case" were I to take it to court.

It makes a difference.

Hekate

[merh]

85. I think you have that twisted, the documents were never

proven forgeries, the credibility of the source was in question.

To this day there is not definite proof that those documents were forged. As the secretary for the officer that allegedly created them told the media, she didn't type them, but the contents/sentiments found in the documents were consistent with what she knew about GWB and her bosses opinion of the circumstances.

[Truman01]

66. I had no problem opening the attachment.....

It was a list of 23 names and addresses of people who had been sent a voter registration confirm and the confirm was returned. This is a common practice to try to catch false registrations.

I don't think this has any indication of Repuke fraud. Do you think if they were committing fraud they would label it as such on their email?

TC

[merh]

69. Read all of the posts

the attachment was accessed and has been discussed (only 21 names). Yes, they are arrogant enough to label their fraud docs "fraud doc" because (1) they never figured anyone would get a hold of them - they are in house communications (2) question like yours - "who could be so stupid as to do such a thing?"

[Truman01]

76. I'm glad you think so but that is wishful thinking......

They were looking for Democrat fraud.

TC

[merh]

77. So glad you are the expert -

did you work for them?

[Truman01]

78. To anyone who honestly looks, its obvious. n/t

[merh]

79. .

:boring:

[lthuedk]

72. R O V E ~ A L E R T

[merh]

74. That is your opinion -

If you don't like the subject, you are welcome to ignore it!

Welcome to DU btw :hi:

[Helga Scow Stern]

80. They are not that interested in Dem vote fraud, just call it that....

their tactic across the board has been to accuse others of what they are doing, and thereby hide their own evil deeds.


Why were they so interested in these rolls of dem voters in Ohio, for instance?

http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=395&row=2
snip--
Here's what we discovered at the BBC: several lists of voters, every one of them in an African-American precinct. Fletcher's official explanation (her third variant, by the way) was that these were returned undeliverable fundraising solicitations. Odd, that: Many of the addresses were those of homeless men's shelters, not where I'd expect a lot of Bush-Cheney donors. And why were the Republicans sending solicitations only to black voters? Is that their normal funding group?

More suspicious is that these lists of "undeliverable addresses" were sent, not to some clerk at a direct-mail house, but to the chief of research for the Republican National Committee in Washington as well as the executive director of the Bush-Cheney campaign in Florida. I guess they handle the clerical overflow work.

Or maybe, as every expert told us, these were hit lists meant to stop,
impede, intimidate and slow down voters in African-American precincts. The Republicans have more than embarrassment to motivate them to mislead us about the true purpose of these lists: Profiling citizens of one race to block their voting, even if each challenge itself has merit, is a criminal violation of the Voting Rights Act.

Whatever their ultimate use of these lists, whatever the Republican game plan, we have the result: In Ohio, an astonishing 155,000 voters were shunted to provisional ballots, where their votes would be vulnerable to the partisan predation of GOP Secretary of State Blackwell. And once again, the provisionals were concentrated in the minority -- that is, Democratic --areas.
--snip


http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=395&row=2


On edit: BTW they fed this business about Dem fraud to the international monitors to throw them off track or to give them phony talking points, depending on if you think of the IM as naive or corrupt, or both. Watch to see if screaming about Dem fraud isn't a major tactic in the weeks to come. All they need to do is put it out as a talking point, just as they did with impuning Kerry's heroism.
Truth has nothing to do with it. Watch.

[merh]

81. Thanks for the link.

Your post makes sense.

[Hekate]

84. By speaking up for Ukrainia, Bush has positioned himself as...

...the champion of free and honest elections.

This was brilliant -- the Repubs are awfully damn good at what they do, which is to control the message, capture the high ground, and wreak havoc behind the scenes.

So who among our own Democratic and progressive political leaders immediately spoke up loudly and asked why, if it's good enough for the Ukrainians, why isn't it good enough for us Americans? And why didn't they say it *before* Bush did?

Anyone?

Hekate