Wayne Madsen on KPFT right NOW

[momzno1]

[momzno1]

1. 29 million check a fake according to Madsen nt

[momzno1]

5. signed affadavit from a computer programmer

genesis of this was in 1999 from a contractor with NASA
person thought the program was to prevent fraud, but not true, and he has tried to break the story, and has had no luck

[proudtobeadem]

40. Is Madsen saying he has a signed affidavit from the programmer??

[proudtobeadem]

41. Never mind I got it

[buddysmellgood]

98. that sounds like www.flyonthewall.com

[Carolab]

99. Problem: flyonthewall.com talks about WONG not YANG

and it is YANG Enterprises for which Feeney was a lobbyist. YANG, not WONG.

[buddysmellgood]

103. Wong is the name of the person, not the company.

I asked Schwarz about it in an email. He says the two stories are directly related. He is working more on 9-11/Sibel Edmonds stuff. He says another reporter will be releasing a story similar to Madsens. That will help a lot. The more voices making the claim, the more credibility this will carry.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. He believes the check was given to him as a clue. n/t

[TexasChick]

So he does think it's real or was it someone who wanted to tell him where

to "look around"? Sorry, I can't watch the show.

[Duer 157099]

25. Yes, fake check was "signpost"

supposedly, to point to who and where to look

[TexasChick]

27. Thanks, dotcosm! Appreciate that! n/t

[skids]

96. Or a rather sneaky attempt to discredit him preemptively

...with the emphasis on "Rather"...

[jamboi]

65. Yup, he sent me a photo. n/t

[yourout]

2. Signed affidavit by programmer...

Hope its real.

[Pepper32]

6. Do you have a link for KPFT?

Also, if the check is fake, what real evidence does he have?

[tandem5]

9. www.kpft.org n/t

[Pepper32]

10. Thank you n/t

[jamboi]

69. First off, a fraudulent check IS real evidence of fraud n/t

[Pepper32]

85. First off, I was just ASKING. I couldn't hear what was being said yet.

You don't have to preach to me, I actually think Madsen is on to something.

[IAMREALITY]

87. And

The Lord Came Down From the Heavens and it SHOOK the Earth with a mighty tremble. I said Yes Lord, I am Listening, and the Lord said unto us in the valley of Darkness FEAR NOT THE LIGHT, FOR I AM WITH YOU, And I took the Almighty's hand, and the Almighty led me down that path of righteousness, and it was good. Praise the Lord. Praissssssssssse the Lord...

:hi:

[jamboi]

88. Don't mean to come off as preaching, my apologies. n/t

[jamboi]

74. Oh, its real. Question is more like is it strong enough and will it stick?

[New Earth]

3. he mentioned DU on the radio

:o

[Duer 157099]

4. Goes back to 1999

apparently the programmer did this stuff in 1999

[momzno1]

8. is this the infamous Brad menfril (sp)

sounds like the whistleblower story

[KatieB]

18. Sure does sound like the same story-right down to request made by

Jeb Bush's running mate on his first attempt at running for Governor.(Tom Feeney). Feeney was a registered lobbyist for Yang. Yang contractor to NASA. Repugs might have Used NASA contracts to get $ to software developers.

[jamboi]

67. Wong was a pseudonym for the company n/t

[emcguffie]

95. wong pseudonym

I haven't read the entire thread, so this could be silly. but, and it still could be really silly, I just have to ask, woulc Wong have anything to do with Wang?

I don't know what Wang is up to these days. But he was in the computer business early on.

[jamboi]

80. I've been trying to figure that out. I asked JustAFlyOnTheWall if that

was him, and I haven't gotten a response yet. However another possibility is that "Brad Menfil" is a disinformation attempt to preemptively discredit the similar but true story that Madsen talks about. The tactic: baffle them w/ BS and throw lots of junk out there that are similar to truth in order to confuse everyone. If that is what has been done then I'd have to say that to some extent its. Worked. :-(

[tandem5]

7. awesome thanks! n/t

[momzno1]

11. harris county Texas had a power outage and

election officials were told to go home

Riverside county CA? vote padding.

[momzno1]

15. Wayne is saying

speaker of the then florida house of Rep requested the software to be done.

[KatieB]

12. Madsen mentions lockdowns were done in FL, NC, TX, CA, NM and Ohio

Also power outage in Harris County, Texas and people told to go home - not able to vote.

[ClintCooper2003]

70. Of course in Harris County! They have touch-screen voting machines...

with no mandatory paper trail!

[IndyOp]

14. NASA?

NASA? What?

[New Earth]

17. he thanked Democratic Underground for their help, on the air

that was cool

[tandem5]

20. a couple of references to DU n/t

[jamboi]

73. Through NASA contracts money was funneled to programmers. More fr. Madsen

Madsen writes:
"Thanks JamBoi

we are making progress here -- (JamBoi edit -- company) in FL is key (Wong is a pseudonym for them - (JamBoi edit)). NASA contracts used to funnel money to develop vote rigging software -- (JamBoi edit) Horn was a decoy with the phony check but we went around hiom to find out that NASA Houston contracts were used to distribute money to riggers. We have one sworn
affidavit and possibly more coming. Thanks for all your help my friend.

more later

wayne"

[Duer 157099]

16. Plans to have new article on by tomorrow AM n/t

[momzno1]

19. It's Wang enterprises!

I thought it was Wong...
sean Okeefe

[Duer 157099]

21. Me too, guess we were wong n/t

[momzno1]

22. need to get back to research Wang... nt

[jamboi]

82. Not sure of the correct company name. n/t

[jamboi]

76. Wong is what the web site has and that was the psuedonym. n/t

[Dolphyn]

92. Wong? Wang? Try YANG ...

At the end of the interview, Madsen specifically mentions
"Yang Enterprises of Oveido, Florida" ...

http://www.yangenterprises.com/

[eomer]

23. Jeb Bush fully aware of software (n/t)

[eomer]

24. Whistleblower murdered

Whistleblower supposedly committed suicide on 7/1/2003 but was really murdered

[eomer]

26. Programmer who gave signed affidavit

was under the impression that the software was intended to help make e-voting secure, not to commit fraud. That's why he came forward. He wasn't trying to keep secret but media dropped the ball.

[Twist_U_Up]

28. MADSEN FOR PRESIDENT

YA HOOOOOOOOOO

RIP EM A NEW ONE WAYNE

GOD BLESS AMERICA

[JoMama49]

68. Is Madsen staying safe?

I'm wondering if Madsen is watching his back, or is someone else watching his back?! He shouldn't open any of his own mail until the Bushies are out of office!

[jamboi]

81. I've seen a quote from him saying he has Mr Smith & Mr Wesson guarding him

at all times. :-) He's very safety aware.

[TexasChick]

30. eomer, do you mean the one that was mudered was trying to come

forward before or is this another whistleblower?

[eomer]

32. Just quoting what Madsen said.

I wasn't aware of a murder and Madsen didn't say much more. I believe he said which state it was in but now I'm not sure. Anyone remember? Was it Texas or Florida?

[eomer]

38. TexasChick

Reading back through I see what you're asking now.

Madsen was talking about two different people.

The programmer who came forward and that thought he was helping make e-voting secure is apparently live and well and is the one who has given the affidavit.

The whistleblower who was murdered is another person.

[TexasChick]

46. Ah, thank you! It's crystal clear now! n/t

[eowyn_of_rohan]

51. Looking for high-profile suicides oin that date

What about Dr. David Kelly of Great Britain?
"The corpse of Dr. David Kelly is discovered, it appears that he committed suicide. Kelly was a British government advisor involved in the September Dossier investigation relating to the 2003 war on Iraq. Former Labour Junior Minister Glenda Jackson calls for Prime Minister Blair's resignation and a Mail on Sunday reporter asks, "Do you have blood on your hands. Prime Minister?" Blair refuses to comment, as does Communications Director Campbell"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_2003

[eowyn_of_rohan]

54. re: above post-- death was July 18, 2003 He was a WMD inspector

grasping here ;)

[eowyn_of_rohan]

55. disregard previous 2 posts!

over-zealous today

[Pepper32]

60. Looks like we found the same guy, sorry about the repost n/t

[jamboi]

89. Madsen says it was the Chief Investigator for the FL Depart. of Transport.

who was "going places where a lot of people were getting nervous" killed on July 1, 2003.

[BlueOhio]

53. I seem to remember something

about that, he was supposedly found with his wrists slashed in a motel in TN i think...

Not Gospel, Dont Quote me.

[Alizaryn]

61. Bush Nominee Death A Suicide. (July 25th) Jumped out at me

Wrong date, BUT had to mention it...

31. CBS News | Bush Nominee Death A Suicide | July 25, 2003 18:19:40
Bush Nominee Death A Suicide. WASHINGTON, July 24, 2003. Colin R. McMillan at his desk at Permian Exploration Corp. in Roswell, N.M., discussing his nomination by President Bush to serve as Navy secretary, May 7, 2003. ( Photo: AP)
cbsnews.cbs.com/stories/2003/07/24/politics/main565021.shtml - 38k -

[Razorback_Democrat]

93. Was that the real Casolero? n/t

[eomer]

29. Connection to Wang Enterprises

was by way of Tom Feeney, speaker of FL house, who was a paid lobbyist to Wang. Tom Feeney no longer speaker of FL house is now US rep in FL.

edited to correct that Feeney is now US rep, not FL rep

[Twist_U_Up]

33. Just so Happens Feeney runs Valusia County n/t

[TexasChick]

35. OMG! Now that is puzzling, to say the least! n/t

[Twist_U_Up]

37. check this out

3rd or 4th pic down

http://www.house.gov/feeney/photos2.htm

[Twist_U_Up]

39. check this out

http://images.ksc.nasa.gov/photos/2002/captions/KSC-02PD-1792.html

[TexasChick]

43. Twist_U_Up, are you talking about the photo w/ him and Smirking Chimp

or the photo with the law enforcement officers?

[tandem5]

31. recording of this show available at...

http://www.kpftx.org/archives/kpftsignal/index.php

The latest Sunday Monitor program.

[BlueOhio]

44. Program name? n/t

[tandem5]

47. Sunday Monitor (top one) n/t

[eomer]

48. Program name is Sunday Monitor

[Catherine Vincent]

34. I only heard the last ten minutes. Does anyone know if this will repeat?

[tandem5]

57. yeah...

http://www.kpftx.org/archives/kpftsignal/index.php

Sunday Monitor program

[AtLiberty]

36. Madsen should ask...

..."Catch Me If You Can" star and former check con man, Frank Abagnale, Jr., if he'd be willing to give the check looksy pro bono. Worth a try...

www.abagnale.com

[jamboi]

86. He said the check was extremely professionally forged. Extremely! n/t

[Evening Star]

42. Feeney

http://www.house.gov/feeney/bio.htm

In Congress, Feeney serves on the powerful Financial Services and Judiciary committees as well as the Science committee which oversees NASA. He is also a Deputy Whip and serves as the Freshman Representative to the Leadership. He intends to focus on tort reform and tax reform in the 108th Congress.

[proudtobeadem]

45. Did Madsen say if

he is working with Cliff Arnebeck??

[eomer]

49. I don't believe Arnebeck was mentioned in Madsen segment (nt)

[jamboi]

I've corresponded w/ both, and I think they have some awareness of each

other, but I don't know how closely they're working. I really don't think its important that they work together since they have somewhat different functions and angles. Their both giving info to Conyers though I believe.

[Twist_U_Up]

50. A little info: He fits the bill

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/story.asp?ID=4155

Tom Feeney: Tom Feeney performed a neat trick his last year as state House speaker. With the term-limits clock ticking on his political future, he used the redistricting process to carve himself an overwhelmingly Republican congressional district. He ran for that seat, and -- lo and behold -- he won. With Feeney (R-Oviedo) facing re-election next November, Head admits, "there are no challengers on the horizon."

With Ricky-boy muddied by divorce, Feeney has become the Sunshine State's new GOP golden boy, riding the wave he started in winter 2002, when he became the cheerleader for the GOP's efforts to win the postelection battle in Florida. Like Keller, he's mostly a good soldier, though he has been quoted saying Bush's Iraq policy is too liberal, and that America can't play "nanny" to those we've bombed. On the legislative front, Feeney's main accomplishments are sponsoring legislation -- at John Ashcroft's behest -- to tighten up on federal judges who dole out lenient sentences (silly judges, thinking for themselves) and trying to strengthen the draconian USA PATRIOT Act, civil liberties be damned.

[TexasChick]

52. Sounds like another one of these fascists asshats and sounds like

another Tom DeLay with that redistricting stuff!

[Twist_U_Up]

56. one more

http://www.sptimes.com/News/121500/State/Feeney_apologizes_for.shtml

Feeney apologizes for ‘loser’ remark
“What a loser,” the Republican lawmaker said during Vice President Al Gore’s concession speech.

[TexasChick]

58. Dangit! That rolly-polly M'effer'!!! n/t

[Catherine Vincent]

71. What an asshole!

[Pepper32]

59. Was the WMD Inspector British or American? I found this article...

Not sure if this is who Madsen was talking about, also the dates do not match --I think.

http://www.thinkandask.com/news/death.html

[NVMojo]

62. i thought i read on du before the election, that some computer

programmer was in a car accident ...a couple of years ago ...someone maybe tied to e voting machines ...wish i could find it...

[Pepper32]

63. Was it Athan Gibbs? Someone mention something similar to what you are....

saying on this messageboard... scroll all the way down.

quote:
If you do a google search on Athan Gibbs the inventor of the TruVote system described as the "perfect solution" in one of my posts above you can easily find the following information:

Seem Mr. Gibbs died back in March in a car "accident".

quote:
...the inventor of the TruVote system, died when his vehicle collided with an 18-wheeled truck which rolled his Chevy Blazer several times and forced it over the highway retaining wall where it came to rest on its roof.

Coincidence theorists will simply dismiss the death of Gibbs as a tragic accident.
...
Now, the man asking the obvious question, and demonstrating an obvious tangible solution is dead in another tragic accident, a week after both articles were in circulation.


From another article...

quote:
Mr. Gibbs was killed about 10:30 a.m. Friday in a car crash on Interstate 65 near Eighth Avenue North as he drove from his north Nashville home to his downtown office at Tennessee State University's Business Incubation Center.

Metro police said Mr. Gibbs lost control of his Chevy Blazer after he cut in front of an 18- wheeler and the two vehicles collided. The Blazer rolled several times in the southbound lanes, went over the retaining wall and came to rest on its roof on the northbound side. Gibbs was ejected, police said.

Before his sudden death, friends and family said, Mr. Gibbs worked tirelessly on the TruVote system and, with backing from Microsoft Inc., was marketing his invention nationwide.

[Pepper32]

64. Very interesting article about Gibbs

http://www.tennessean.com/obits/archives/04/03/48330576.shtml
Mr. Gibbs spent about three years and roughly $2 million — including thousands of dollars from his own bank account — to develop and market the electronic vote-casting system. TruVote allows voters to touch their candidates' names on a computer screen and receive receipts of their vote at the end of the process. They can then go to a Web site, punch in their voter validation number and make sure their vote was recorded.
<snip>

''As an African-American clergyman, Athan was consumed by a desire for justice, equality and freedom for all people,'' said the Rev. Enoch Fuzz, pastor of Corinthian Missionary Baptist Church. ''And, he just ran out full speed ahead and tried to accomplish that.''

Mr. Gibbs was an accountant and financial auditor for 30 years and started his own company, INCO Tax Service of Tennessee. He received a bachelor of business administration degree from Tennessee State University and a bachelor of theology degree from American Baptist College.

In the 1970s, former U.S. Rep. Bob Clement hired Mr. Gibbs as a financial analyst when Clement headed the Tennessee Public Service Commission. The two remained close friends over the past three decades, and Clement had been serving as a business consultant for TruVote.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

72. Gwad, no he did not work for Diebold, he blew the whistle on them

I have been a sloppy poster tonight. Been out of the research loop all week because I was too busy. Now I am so gung-ho, I'm tripping over myself.:eyes:

Anyway, poor Athan Gibbs...just makes me sick and angry.

[Pepper32]

78. Yeah, I know... I was just following up on the lead that a computer

...guy tied to e- voting died in a car crash (in the previous post) . He didn't state whether or not he worked for Diebold. It just seems to almost match what he was saying.

Yeah, I doubt if Gibbs could have ever worked for Diebold, he actually wanted paper on the machines. Which may explain his "car crash"

[eowyn_of_rohan]

66. Yes, I had also thought about him, but he died this past March

He worked for Diebold...

[NVMojo]

75. here is the DU thread with links that I was remembering on this guy...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=43663

PoiBoy (220 posts) Thu Nov-11-04 10:16 PM
Response to Original message

20. TruVote Systems... an opportunity?

After the "questionable" results of the 2000, 2002 and 2004 elections, I will NEVER have faith in voting machines manufactured by Diebold, ES&S or Sequioa ever again...

If and when fraud and/or computer "glitches" are exposed, do we let our legislators and election supervisors allow Diebold, ES&S or Sequoia to "fix" their machines, yet keep them in place for us to use in future elections? I for one, think not...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG411A.html
<snip>
Athan Gibbs’ TruVote system was described as ''one of the most promising technologies in the world for fixing democracies". In the wake of the 2000 presidential elections, where than 1 million votes went uncounted for Athan Gibbs invented the TruVote vote-casting system:

"TruVote allows voters to touch their candidates' names on a computer screen and receive receipts of their vote at the end of the process. They can then go to a Web site, punch in their voter validation number and make sure their vote was recorded." (The Tennessean.com, 14 March 2004).
<end>

TruVote is a system that has impressive potential, and was attracting a lot of interest around the country as it began the validation process...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
<snip>
TruVote, provides two separate voting receipts. The first is shown under plexiglass, and displays the choices made by a vote on the touch screen. This copy falls into a lockbox after the voter approves it. The second is provided to the voter. TruVote is already attracting fans, among them Brooks Thomas, Tennessee's Coordinator of Elections. "I've not seen anything that compares to TruVote validation system
<end>

...another review of the TruVote system...

http://www.technologycouncil.com/news.ez?viewStory=701
<snip>
Sterling offers his view of TruVote's advantage: "The TruVote system offers a voter-verifiable paper ballot that is printed under glass. The voter does not get to handle the paper ballot. The system allows the voter to verify the information on the paper ballot before the vote is actually cast. As such, we always have an independent paper audit trail for manual recounts. In addition, a second (optional) take-home receipt is printed that allows the voter to verify that their vote was indeed received, recorded and counted as intended. In addition, the TruVote system offers a state-of-the-art ADA interface allowing a voter to vote using voice recognition, numeric keypad or a touchscreen interface, all with an audio ballot. Setting up an election is extremely easy with the integrated ballot creation tools which come standard with the system."
<end>

This is a system that has enormous potential to bring credibility and peace of mind back to the election process. unfortunately...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CRG411A.html
<snip>
Athan Gibbs devoted his life "to making sure voters in future elections would know their votes mattered". He died in a mysterious car crash on Interstate highway 65 in Tennessee in March 2004
<end>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...
<snip>
Gibbs’ death bears heightened scrutiny because of the way he lived his life after the 2000 Florida election debacle. I interviewed Athan Gibbs in January of this year. “I’ve been an accountant, an auditor, for more than thirty years. Electronic voting machines that don’t supply a paper trail go against every principle of accounting and auditing that’s being taught in American business schools,” he insisted.

“These machines are set up to provide paper trails. No business in America would buy a machine that didn’t provide a paper trail to audit and verify its transaction. Now, they want the people to purchase machines that you can’t audit? It’s absurd.”
<end>

http://www.tennessean.com/business/archives/04/11/60549...
<snip>
Gibbs formed the Nashville-based company because of his concerns about punch-card ballot problems during the 2000 presidential election. But he died in a car accident in March before an updated version of his company's software system, which prints a receipt as proof of a person's vote, went into testing.

Since then, TruVote has lost interim president and former Chief Financial Officer Adrienne Brandon and has yet to name a new president. Brandon left the company in August.

Its offices in the Nashville Business Incubation Center are closed, and TruVote hasn't done any elections work since voting at a sorority convention here in July. Still, acting Chairman and Corporate Secretary Harvey Hoskins insists TruVote will live on.
<end>

It seems that the company is looking for a new president and investors. It's product and limited track record are very impressive and the product is a viable competitor against the other voting machines on the market. It's my hope that progressive investors would get involved with this company before the repug money machine washes it out of existence.

Perhaps this is a company that we can get behind to offer as a viable solution to our legislators and communities to effect real change quickly.

We've seen the resources that we progressives have when we come together as an activism block. Millions were raised for Dr. Dean, MoveOn.org, John Kerry, and now BBV. We had hundreds of lawyers and other professionals activated at the polls this past week. We have the anger and the desire...

http://www.tennessean.com/business/archives/04/03/48811...
<snip>
The 57-year-old Gibbs died as the company is on the verge of seeking certification for an improved second version of the TruVote system from the National Association of State Elections Directors. Brandon sees that as a top priority along with raising about $5 million of capital and hiring a permanent chief executive officer "with operational skills the company needs to be a leader in its market."

She declined to comment on finances of the five-employee company but said she's confident it will be able to raise the money and keep going. TruVote also is seeking partnerships in addition to its relationship with software giant Microsoft, which has provided help in testing the system and access to its government relations team for lobbying help.

Finding other strategic partners and tapping into funding sources such as government grants would be significant to TruVote's survival, said John Burch, the president of Nashville-based Capital Market Advisors. "What they need is a hard-headed businessman with some deep pockets, who's got enough (mass) to negotiate with a Microsoft, NCR and some other people," said Burch, who also speaks well of Brandon.
<end>

I demand a verified and accountable audit trail, and stronger criminal penalties for voter intimidation and suppression tactics that we've seen in play since 2000.

We have the momentum in every part of our country to put verified ballot initiatives and anti-voter intimidation legislation on the ballot for next year's election cycle. But we must move quickly and decisively.

FWIW, here's a well written article on Mr. Gibbs and the TruVote system...
http://blackonomics.com/lead.ihtml?id=262

It seems as if a TruVote project may be a worthy project, but that's just one man's opinion. What do you think? What can we do?

[Pepper32]

79. So it was Athen Gibbs? Ok. I was really wondering...

I couldn't find anyone else...

[JoMama49]

83. Fraud Proof voting can be

easily accomplished the way Oregon does it. You register when you apply for or renew your driver's license. At election time, everyone registered gets a ballot in the mail. You fill out the ballot and put your authentic original signature on the outside of the mailer. With all the savings from individual physical precincts and poll workers, the State pays for the postage for you to mail it back. When received, a clerk hand verifies your signature. S/he then opens your ballot and places it into a machine for counting. The ballots are kept in case a hand count is called for. This is the simplest voting method ever. Fraud is much harder to carry out, and hopefully the tabulators have been tested and re-tested to do their job. Why can't we do this nationwide?
Too simple?

[Evening Star]

77. Thanks, Athan influenced Bob Fritakis

in his research:
Death Of A Patriot: No More 'Blind Faith Voting'

''Another mysterious accident solves a Bush problem. Athan Gibbs dead, Diebold lives.''

snip

Gibbs’ death bears heightened scrutiny because of the way he lived his life after the 2000 Florida election debacle. I interviewed Athan Gibbs in January of this year. “I’ve been an accountant, an auditor, for more than thirty years. Electronic voting machines that don’t supply a paper trail go against every principle of accounting and auditing that’s being taught in American business schools,” he insisted.

“These machines are set up to provide paper trails. No business in America would buy a machine that didn’t provide a paper trail to audit and verify its transaction. Now, they want the people to purchase machines that you can’t audit? It’s absurd.”

Gibbs was in Columbus, Ohio proudly displaying his TruVote machine that offered a “VVPAT, that’s a voter verified paper audit trail” he noted.

Gibbs also suggested that I look into the “people behind the other machines.” He offered that “Diebold and ES& S are real interesting and all Republicans. If you’re an investigative reporter go ahead and investigate. You’ll find some interesting material.”

snip

My encounter with Gibbs led to a cover story in the Columbus Free Press March-April issue, entitled, “Diebold, electronic voting and the vast right-wing conspiracy.” The thesis I advanced in the Free Press article ( http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/834) is that some of the same right-wing individuals who backed the CIA’s covert actions and overthrowing of democratic elections in the Third World in the 1980s are now involved in privatized touch screen voting.

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0403/S00221.htm

[Pepper32]

84. It appears Gibbs was getting in their way. This does not seem to be

...an accident as they would like us to believe. I wonder if anyone truly investigated his car "accident"?

[rdmccur]

94. Anyway, at least let Wayne Madsen know about this.

Perhaps he could find out more?

[goclark]

90. I remember reading that post!

That is what make me head in the direction of MIHOP.

They could not let this brilliant African American get the machine because he believed in justice for all.

That would not work, did they ever fully investigate that "accident?"

These crooks are less than slime.

[Pepper32]

101. Agreed n/t

[jamboi]

91. Different person, see my post above. n/t

[Evening Star]

97. Not Athan Gibbs

From the transcript

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x116796

The individual... this results from a huge whistleblower case in Florida involving a Florida... a contracter for the Florida Department of Transportation... we... one of the things that will be coming out in the article is we have information that pretty much proves that the chief investigator for the Florida Department of Transportation that was looking into this company, this contractor and its involvement in creating vote rigging software, they say he committed suicide back on July 1st, 2003, last year, but we have evidence to show that it was not suicide, that likely he was murdered because he was going places where a lot of people were getting nervous.

[Pepper32]

102. I know, I never thought it was Gibbs that Madsen referred to--dates did...

... not match.

However, I still don't think Gibbs death was an "accident." Time will tell... I hope. He was a good man that was trying to do the right thing, from what I've read.

[SophieZ]

100. Wayne's new article now up.

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/120604Madsen/120604madsen.html

Special Report

Texas to Florida: White House-linked clandestine operation paid for "vote switching" software

By Wayne Madsen
Online Journal Contributing Writer