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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:35 AM Original message |
The odds that 600 of 1000 random machine errors favor Bush:1 in 11 BILLION |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Wow. I like seeing that - I can easily reference that stat |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #1 |
32. 1000 RANDOM COIN TOSSES: 498 Heads |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 02:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. I referenced the wrong column at the far right (all Heads). Totals are OK |
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RaulVB (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. So it wasn't "God's intervention"? |
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Roger_Otip (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. this can't be right |
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Live Free Or Diebold (21 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:25 AM Response to Reply #2 |
19. No, that's quite right. |
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breadbox (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:45 PM Response to Reply #19 |
47. actually, standard deviation increases |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 07:47 PM Response to Reply #47 |
59. Hi breadbox!! |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHETICAL. I AM NOT SAYING THE DATA SHOWS THIS. |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Ohhhh O.k. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:02 AM Response to Reply #2 |
55. The Excel BINOMDIST can't go over 617: 1 out of 57.7 TRILLION ! |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:48 AM Response to Original message |
3. Where's the excell sheet? |
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Roger_Otip (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:07 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. then the binomial distribution cannot be used |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Yeah, Kinda what I was thinking |
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bemis12 (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
28. It sounds hypothetical |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Hey, Bemis you are barking up the wrong tree. |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Where are you getting the data? |
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bemis12 (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. No I'm not |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 05:21 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. Deleted message |
TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
22. There ARE two possibilities. The glich favors OR does not favor Bush. |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. But with a real dataset, |
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MaineYooper (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 05:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
40. you could use a multinomial distribution instead |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
4. That doesn't make any sense. TIA n/t |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #4 |
29. See post # 27 n/t |
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MaineYooper (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
7. be careful and thorough |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
8. Note to the master |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:35 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. That's the point |
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reality_bites (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:42 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Now you are maing my point. |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:53 AM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Um...either you are stats-man |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:20 PM Response to Reply #8 |
27. The fact that the results indicate these are NOT random events |
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Truman01 (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 08:15 PM Response to Reply #27 |
43. Ok, now that makes sense to me..... Question: |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
12. I'll be quite interested to see the accummulated incidences of |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:04 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. There is something like that |
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smarkit (2 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
14. Who is doing the reporting |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:13 AM Response to Reply #14 |
16. That's why I asked for better data |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:19 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Let's see the whole universe of incidences. |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Yes, I have. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. Hey Old, they are really coming out today, aren't they? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. Another one. Must be getting very close. |
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newyawker99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 07:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
60. Hi smarkit!! |
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genieroze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
15. How many errors favored Kerry? |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:14 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. That would be wrong |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
25. I like seeing the probabilities, but unfortunately, a very large swath of |
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Hamoth (292 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. What we need is material |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 02:11 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Really important work you're doing TIA. |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #25 |
34. The lack of math knowledge is from the general dumbing-down |
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buddysmellgood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
26. The exit polls alone tell us something is wrong. |
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Amy6627 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
31. This is great info! |
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myschkin (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 07:05 PM Response to Original message |
41. don't stop |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I'll leave that to the researchers and lawyers.They know far better than I |
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Bread and Circus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
44. TIA, where the hell are U getting this 600 out of a 1000 number? |
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TruthIsAll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. ITS A HYPOTHETICAL EXAMPLE . I ALREADY SAID SO. |
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briemann (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:17 PM Response to Original message |
45. This is a good analysis. but |
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breadbox (62 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:53 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. to put it as TIA intended, I think |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 12:29 AM Response to Reply #45 |
54. Yo, Briemann! What do you make of this? |
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briemann (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 01:14 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. If the analysis is correct, then |
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jwmealy (35 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-07-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. My understanding from TIA's analysis is that the Blue Shifts were |
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Digit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
46. * is not legit...he wasn't in 2000 and sure as hell is not now |
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dawn_fayhe (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 10:56 PM Response to Original message |
49. But still |
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LiberalAndProud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-06-04 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
53. Even the preachers know that * was never elected. |
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