Dems to probe Ohio voting problems

[texpatriot2004]

Yahoo news story hot off the press
Please read and rate it up. Thanks.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041206/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_ohio_voting&cid=536&ncid=536

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"...McAuliffe said it's too early to tell if Republicans were behind any fraud that may have influenced the outcome in Ohio.


McAuliffe said he briefed Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (news - web sites) about the study Sunday night and Kerry will be monitoring the results carefully. Kerry often promised voters, particularly black voters, that his campaign would examine any allegations of voter fraud.


Many blacks said irregularities in Florida in 2000 kept their votes from being counted. Democrats want to ensure that blacks do not give up on the voting process because they are such overwhelming supporters of Democratic candidates."

[New Earth]

1. great, thanks

i can't rate it right now tho cuz i'm at work :(

[Patsy Stone]

2. What the hell are you doing there?

Get back home to your keyboard, pronto! :)

[New Earth]

7. hehehe

[Hamoth]

3. Holy crap! this is HUGE!

They said they will "spend whatever it takes"!!!

This means I can stop using my credit cards to donate money I don't have!?

[Twist_U_Up]

4. kewl n/t

[Pithy Cherub]

5. Interesting this happens or is announced AFTER Jesse

goes to Ohio, gets on TV... just sayin' you know...

[myschkin]

44. I think you should make a statue for Jesse

However, I think this follows a plan...

Step by step, one democrat comes after the other...

[EMunster]

6. best line...

"Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry"


Not "former-" just yet...

[Hamoth]

9. HAHAHA Good catch! N/T

[budkin]

8. Schweet!

Let's hope it goes somewhere.

[bj2110]

10. And Kerry was briefed last night. Something is happening.... n/t

[EMunster]

11. change the title to this...headline looks like the ap story running for...

hours...

How about "Kerry's In!!!!"

[boi1946]

15. Isn't anybody worried about this part--

"McAuliffe said the party is not seeking to overturn the result but to ensure that every vote is counted. He said the study will be conducted by nonpartisan experts to be announced later, with a report issued in the spring that recommends reforms to prevent such problems in the future."

I WANT SOMETHING DONE NOW!!!!!

[Qutzupalotl]

23. Not worried.

It's all up to the recount. Either we'll win Ohio, or we won't.

I understand your frustration, but it's out of our hands, IMO. The votes are cast. It's all over but the (re)counting.

Iagree that it would suck if it's not overturned and we're left with, "Gosh, maybe Secretaries of State shouldn't be partisan campaign managers. Ya think?" But that might be where we're headed.

I just don't see how our doing anything at this point could help...short of getting a Ukraine-style re-vote.

[lthuedk]

38. Not quite.

Blackwell and friends have had weeks to do what needs to be done to bring the actual in line with existing results.

Did we have the Ohio central tabulator under lockdown? No.

Did we have any hardcopy ballots (and their location) under control. No. Were ballot storage facilities under surveillance?

Did we have all e-voting machines examined? No?

So, a recount may only serve to reiterate Blackwells' certification.

The only thing that has teeth, would be a criminal charge of fraud and conspiracy to commit fraud.

[myschkin]

45. almost

<I understand your frustration, but it's out of our hands, IMO. The votes are cast. It's all over but the (re)counting.>

The winter is long...

There is also the possibility of a hearing.

[Senator]

27. Well...

...then demand it now!.

And get others to do the same.

[KatieB]

49. This makes the DNC look like they have no interest in Kerry overturng DuB

DNC keeps looking so bad in this mess....could it be on purpose?

[radiofreesrini]

57. great question!

feigning stupidity worked wonders for W... maybe the DNC is fronting like they're ignorant and slothful because they're hiding the fact that they're wu-tang ninjas ready to bust out at the pre-planned moment and get ukrainian on the fraudsters... i think kerry ducking out of the media for a bit and let george trample around like a drunken elephant does oddly amount to weirdly fantastic strategy if it turns out to be a fight... and what i worry about is how rove will respond? karl rove has a "w.w.h.d." tattooed on him, and the "h" stands for "hitler"!

[Qutzupalotl]

12. Article by Nedra Pickler, but she's being good.

In the past, she has written some suspicious propaganda pieces for the right, but she seems to be sticking to the facts this time.

On edit: It's a laudable goal for reporters to be nonpartisan.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

13. done

You have given the news article Democrats to Probe Ohio Voting Problems a rating of 5.
Its current average rating is 4.76 with 48 vote(s).

[Patsy Stone]

14. Buffalo Springfield any one?

For What It's Worth
Stephen Stills, copyright 1966


There's something happening here
What it is ain't exactly clear
There's a man with a gun over there
Telling me I got to beware

I think it's time we stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

There's battle lines being drawn
Nobody's right if everybody's wrong
Young people speaking their minds
Getting so much resistance from behind

I think it's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

What a field-day for the heat
A thousand people in the street
Singing songs and carrying signs
Mostly say, hooray for our side

It's time we stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
You step out of line, the man come and take you away

We better stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, hey, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, now, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down
Stop, children, what's that sound
Everybody look what's going down

[Shalom]

17. 3rd Song for Kerry-Edwards Inaugural Songfest....n/t

[Patsy Stone]

22. LOL n/t

[Patsy Stone]

29. Coincidentally

"Heroes" is playing on Virgin Radio right now... :)

It's a good day.

[Shalom]

16. Hot Story, but are Dems still being too cautious ?

e.g.,

"McAuliffe said the party is not seeking to overturn the result but to ensure that every vote is counted."

When will the Dems publicly acknowledge that until every vote is counted, the result is NOT legitimate ?

[SueZhope]

21. thats funny

I just posted the same thing

[RevCheesehead]

26. Perhaps, (and I am being kind here) they are pandering to Repukes.

Kind of like, "no, it's OK, KKKarl, we're not overturning the election, we're just kind of looking at the receipt we got from Wal-Mart. Just want to make sure. Nothing for Unka Dick to worry about."

[KatieB]

50. Could be to keep the repugs guard down (if that's possible)

[Vidar]

47. Great news. Thanks for posting, texpatriot2004.

I'm trying to believe that this is something more than a DNC ass=covering exercise. As always , we owe a great debt to Jesse Jackson who displays more courage than the rest of the party combined,

[SueZhope]

18. why do they keep saying this?

McAuliffe said the party is not seeking to overturn the result but to ensure that every vote is counted.

is that just a game or do they mean that?

[EMunster]

24. They can't be accused of interrupting the throning of dear Leader....

for personal, egotistical, partisan gain, but for an unimpeachable principle that the republicans will have more trouble tearing down -- "every vote must be counted." How much more patriotic can you be.

Kerry's played this brilliantly.


shame on all you naysayers.

[Hamoth]

28. Basically means that:

That we aren't necessarily acusing anyone at the table of cheating..but we sure would like to count the cards in this here deck.

[Amy6627]

19. Lawsuit

Has anyone heard anything about Cliff Arnebeck, Counsel in Lawsuit Challenging Presidential Election in Ohio? Has the lawsuit been filed? What happening with this?

[Senator]

20. Still stuck in the Seinfeld episode...

..."not that there's anything wrong with that result."

Good news nonetheless.

And it's not only the admirable Jesse Jackson. The efforts here and around the country a bearing fruit.

This is why we must continue the moral stand

An election is not a contest or a sporting event. It is a survey of the the will of the electorate. If we know who the people wanted, we need to demand that their will be obeyed.

It's not just voting glitches; or stealing and padding votes. It's the suppression, stupid! And the "evidence" of poll-tax-lines is not in dispute, in Ohio or Florida. More investigation is not needed.

They may finally be "getting it." All the more reason to push harder.

We must get our "leaders" to Declare their Intent to support a just result.

[mopinko]

25. it's alive!

or is it? didn't sound all that hot to me. let me know when jk is standing on the courthouse steps in ohio, or fla, or nm, etc.
count every vote, to me, would have been at least joining the greens in the request to start recounting early. he let them run out the clock, when he could have at least tried to stopped them.
jesse '08

[Straight Shooter]

30. "because they are such overwhelming supporters of Democratic candidates"

Oh, that's a crass statement! It makes it sound as if that's the only reason that people of color mean anything to the candidates, just another group of people to extract votes from. Jeebers, it sounds as calloused as ... as ... as a Republican.

We want to ensure they don't give up because they have a right to have their vote counted just like every other American.

Does anyone know how I can contact this Nedra Pickler, the pseudo "reporter" who wrote this article for Associated Press? What the hell is wrong with these dipwads?

I will have to write Terry McAuliffe and tell him what a sorry job he's done of getting the message out that Democrats care.

[mamalone]

31. This struck me as well..

I am thrilled with the news that the dems are getting involved and are willing to spend "whatever it takes", but the idea that they support EVERYONE'S right to vote should have nothing to do with what party they are thought to support. This is basic to our party's philosophy, for crying out loud! Did McAuliffe actually make this comment or was it inserted by the reporter?

[Qutzupalotl]

33. contact

Not sure about this, but other AP reporters' emails follow this format:
[e-mail]

[tandem5]

32. they're talkin' about it, baby! n/t

[texpatriot2004]

34. kick

[meganmonkey]

35. I don't trust McAuliffe

I have to wait before I can decide that this is good news. We need leaders who are shouting about how our democracy is at stake - the time for diplomacy is over. Are they only addressingthtis because they have to? Because they are getting harrassed by us crazy activists, and they need to keep us at bay?
It is not just about counting the votes that were cast on Nov 2. It's about the fact that we CAN'T even count some of the votes becuse the system is so f*cked up. It is about needing to revamp our entire voting/electoral system so that we won't ever have to wonder if our votes count again. THIS IS ABOUT THE INTEGRITY OF OUR DEMOCRACY!!!! Too early to tell if Repukes were behing the fraud? Give me a break! Maybe it's too early to tell if the DNC was behind the fraud too!

[Patsy Stone]

36. Story on CNN.com too

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/12/06/democrats.ohiovoting.ap/index.html

Rock ON!

[Jo March]

37. 4.23

Kick - let's keep it up there.

And I am really wanting to give Terry McAuliffe a big slap. Is that wrong?

[mirrera]

61. I hate him!

He is getting all the attention, undeserved, wimpy, WRONG. We don't want to wait, we will not wait, we are progressives!!! We lent the Dems our power, and I am steaming. How dare that reporter do a story on this recount and only quote republicans and terry with his RED tie. GRRRRRRR

[Stand and Fight]

39. Day Late & A Dollar Short n/t

[proudtobeadem]

40. HA HA I love this part

"...McAuliffe said it's too early to tell if Republicans were behind any fraud that may have influenced the outcome in Ohio.

Gee if it's not Repubs whoever can it be???

[Quakerfriend]

43. I seem to recall

Arneback insinuating that there was evidence of fraud in OH ( mid of last week)......I'm wondering, Has anyone heard anything from him today?

[Joyce78]

53. HA HA I love this part

It's probably another terrorist attack.;-)

[Wordie]

41. Anyone know if they are going to take another look at "spoiled" ballots?

...and the rejected provisionals? The Dems are DEMANDING that they be looked at in the WA state recount (and, of course, the Repubs are screaming about it). I have yet to hear what the game plan is in OH. Could those "spoiled" ballots represent more Kerry votes? What about those votes that were thrown out because the person voted at the wrong TABLE in the right building, in the right room, but had their vote thrown out because the table represented the wrong precinct, and nobody bothered to tell the voter?

This is what I want to know about. I keep asking, but nobody seems to know. And, while I'm at it, I'd also like to know what the game plan is in regard to all the deadlines they have in OH. If the recount can't be done in the time before the electors must be decided upon, then what?

[proudtobeadem]

42. Screw those ballots I want them

to hire computer experts and take apart the machines and code or whatever they need to do to find the fraud.

[Wordie]

52. Someone in another thread suggested the fraud could be as simple as

giving the heavily Dem precincts mostly older, worn out machines, machines that are less likely to record the vote correctly. So, BOTH are important, imho.

[DemGa]

46. Story on Yahoo front page, rating it up!

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20041206/ap_on_el_pr/democrats_ohio_voting

[tommcintyre]

48. "too early to tell if Republicans were behind any fraud "

OMG! The "F" and Repugs in the same sentence! That's well-calculated and movin' in the right direction!

[Sideways]

51. Yeah Tom

Love your good work and love the slap down on the troll yesterday. We will kick their sorry ass.

[Botany]

54. Nuts to a spring report

I want a total investigation NOW! Terry Mc. great a report in the spring. Just like
you laid down for the swift boats and didn't get brass knuckles w/ bush. I live in Ohio and saw and heard voter fraud 1st hand. This is not a time for nice nice.


:grr: :kick:

Any doubt about election fraud can be answered by going to the Ohio Sec. of States
home page and looking at the vote totals. A Black underfunded women demo uot pulled Kerry in several counties and ran out about even with him in other counties where as bush did much better then his repug counterpart in the same race. Look up Ohio Supreme Court Race ...... Connelly v Moyers. Somebody went through and took votes from Kerry.

[alaintex]

56. What type of voter fraud did you see and hear 1st hand?

[Botany]

58. What I saw & heard

Alaintex,

On November 2nd 2004 I saw a republican challenger working hand and glove with
the precinct a judge. The judge and other poll workers let me know in know uncertain terms that I (I was there to watch the challenger) was not wanted and that they were big republican supporters. On 2 different times upon leaving the room I came back and find the repug. challenger sitting at the table w/ the poll workers. Which is against campaign laws. I had to tell her to leave the table. On another occasion I found her going over voter rolls with the precinct judge.

Just by coincidence one of the 3 machines went down as the polls were being closed.
When I finally was able to back track the #s for the machine that went down it had the
highest # of bush votes of all 3 machines even though that machine had the lowest
numerical number of total votes in it. (41.222% for bush the other 2 machines were
30.77% for bush)

The republican challenger also signed the vote tape as an official witness. That too
was a violation of the campaign laws.

What I heard bothered me even more. When I tried to call the voter protection phone
# that I was given me on 11/3 (I did not call on 11/2 because I was told by Kerry campaign workers that we were winning huge across the country) all I got was a women's voice saying I was # 7 on the hold list and then it played weird music and
a voice was chanting really strange stuff in the background. At first I paid no attention to it but the more I listened (at least 30 minutes) to it the more it became
apparent somebody had hacked into the line so as to prevent any reports from getting in. When I got to # 2 on the list to speak to somebody the system dropped me. Within 1 hour of Kerry's concession speech the block was gone from the line and
was replaced by a busy signal. I may be nuts but I am not crazy. This was a very
sophisticated operation. Do a google search on the head of the bush campaign who
just recently was indicted for tying up phone lines in New Hampshire in 2002 that were for a democrat get out the vote operation. (This is just my own crazy thoughts
but 2002 was a test run for 2004 for the bush troops.)

Another thing I heard was at a Columbus, Ohio meeting on 11/15 where I gave a
sworn statement as to what I saw on election day was person after person testified that when they tried to vote for Kerry the light went on for bush. BTW that made
2 paragraphs on the inside of page 6 in the Columbus Dispatch. The media is running from this story.

:bounce:

[oc2002]

55. ...McAuliffe, dont let the door hit your ass on the way out!

There is no accountablilty of the fraud that has been perpetrated on America on Nov 2.

The Ohio votes where fixed as expected, just look at the way they managed to prevent people from voting by making them wait in line for up to six hours.

Was there more 'ballot' tampering behind the scenes?

Maybe if we had the same courage as the Ukrainians we would be marching on the Ohio state capital right now.

[morffin]

59. House investigation Live on C Span Weds AM

Weds 10 am LIVE on C Span
· Rep. Conyers (D-MI) Chairs Panel on Ohio Vote Count (10am) - LIVE <http://www.c-span.org/watch/index.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS>

[BEdasein]

60. kerry'd better be...

ready to get wet because if he's just throwing meat out there to the base and he doesn't follow through that's going to upset me.

i can see the idea that he wants as much legitimacy going into a full frontal legal assault as possible. if not, it's going to be a sad day having been burned by exactly what the republicans had been screaming, "he wants it both ways".

if by the grace of god kerry or anyone capable of contacting him in his undisclosed location is reading this:

your establishment advisors have not served you well. you will not get nominated in '08 unless you fight now. this is your last chance. and more importantly, there are many people who because of the color of their skin were suppressed from voting. do something now!