omg omG OMG!!!!!

[ourbluenation]

I'm about to have a votergate orgasm! Doesn't it seems like the stars are finally aligning and things are about to explode???

JTT

[Ian David]

1. I thought the same thing about Howard Dean, too

[benburch]

2. Yes, but it won't matter.

No matter what we find the courts will rule in favor of their new masters.

Yes, we can prove to the world and anybody in the USA who will listen that the election was rigged and stolen, but this government decided the outcome months ago and will not allow such matters to divert it.

[IAMREALITY]

5. Good Thing Then

THAT WE'RE NOT LEAVING IT UP TO THEM!

We Don't need the governments approval. We don't NEED their allowance of it. We will accomplish our goals anyway. Cause we are DU. We are unstoppable. We will plow through any obstacles in our way. We WILL NOT give up. We WILL NOT give in. We WILL NOT let them get away with this.

Oh Yeah, we also WILL NOT let any poster bring us down.

[TheDebbieDee]

10. You know, IAMREALITY, you've got a great attitude!

You just empowered me a little :-)

[IAMREALITY]

12. Debbie,

How bout

You are WOMAN. Hear you ROAR!

hehe :-)

[benburch]

18. Without direct action, which you have elsewhere ruled out, how?

If opinion could sway this government, we would be quit of them by now.

This is the beginnings of a fascist dictatorship that derives its unjust power by force and fear. Look at how the Nazis dealt with protest. I recommend you study the lessons of The White Rose resistance from that era.

[IAMREALITY]

19. I suggest you study DU and its wisdom, conviction, talent, and capability

We are not out to sway the government. We are not out to try and convince them "oh pleaseeee, government, we know you did it, oh Pleasssssse admit you did something wrong and leave? Oh prettttty pleasseeeee government".... Not exactly what we are out to do I wouldn't think. No. We will not sway them, we will convict them. We will not ask them to leave, we will have authorities do it via handcuffs. We will not fail in our mission. We will not fail our democracy. So help us God.

[benburch]

22. And when they say "No"? What then?

They own the Supreme Court body and soul. They will get whatever result they ask for from them.

First, you cannot convict anybody without the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court was supposed to be a body of elders who would protect our Constitution no matter what. When that concept fails, the Court becomes a tool of tyranny rather than a guardian of democracy.

Second, the President may pardon anybody he chooses, including himself. Yes, he may not pardon himself from impeachment, but is there even a tiny chance that articles of impeachment will ever be heard by this Congress? I cannot imagine Hastert allowing that to happen.

I think you just don't recognize a Putsch when you see one.

[Stand and Fight]

23. You're wrong on one point.

The president cannot pardon himself or anyone connected with crimes for which he and/or his supposed accomplices are accused -- hence Nixon's dilemma when he let his own men go to jail.

[benburch]

24. Actually he can.

Nixon didn't dare.

Go look at the Constitution. There are no limits on the power to pardon. My Constitutional Law professor at University of Chicago was very clear on that point back in the 70s.

[IAMREALITY]

25. Let Them Say No All They Want

I can almost see them screaming "Nooooooooooo Nooooooooooo Nooooooo" allllllll the way to the backseat of the cop car.

[benburch]

27. You are dreaming.

Who will order the arrest?

The "Justice" Department?

You?

If the latter, you are already contemplating Revolution.

[IAMREALITY]

28. Ummmmm Yeah

That was my plan all along. I'm gonna go right up to him and put him in handcuffs......

:eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes: :eyes:

[benburch]

29. Well, who do you imagine will do it?

Unless you can show me a scenario where the Bush-controlled "Justice" department will arrest these people and convict them and overturn the election, I have to assume that it cannot occur.

[IAMREALITY]

31. Here. I'll Get You Started...

Once Upon a Time, In a land Farrrr far away, there was a story called Watergate....

You can take it from here. I will not be responding further to your replies.

[benburch]

33. Watergate only worked becuase Republicans had some decency then.

Do you really imagine these goons have any left?

[geo]

34. At least one SCOTUS Justice having buyers remorse on Mr. Bush....

I wouldn't say they have as much influence there as they may have at one point earlier. :) -G

[benburch]

36. I pray you are right.

But I wonder if the screws will be applied to bring that Justice into line.

They have a lot of ways to threaten you without threatening you.

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[Marnieworld]

32. It sounds like what you're really saying is...

"No Defeat, baby, No Surrender!"

[Kansas Wyatt]

11. At least.....

We wouldn't have to call 'smirking chimp boy' President for the next four years, and everyone will know why.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

3. Not particularly, no.

That said, everyday seems to be bringing something new and interesting.

This is going to be a battle of increments and attrition. At no time do I expect a single telling blow to be landed.

[ClassWarrior]

6. You are correct, TS. Like Watergate.

Slowly, a damning pattern is emerging in the public eye.

NGU.

[RaleighNCDUer]

16. Is it really the public eye?

Or just our eyes?

[ewagner]

7. Agree

this is a war of attrition.....the masses, the media, the institutions won't turn on Dubya all at once...it will be gradual.

[FredStembottom]

15. Profit/Loss

Well....
There is a kind of "tipping point" that may make something happen fairly swiftly. If the entire Bushco regime begins to look just too too dirty entire networks will need to distance themselves in a real hurry - if only for classic market reasons.

[MuseRider]

17. And slowly

but slowly he and his personal band of "evil doers" will lose all trust of the people. It will be slow but it will be brutal. They have come so close to having it all, in fact they may still get away with it, but if they do not their downfall will be large and loud. The best part will be the total discrediting of each and every one of them and the fact that we can finally fix our system of election so that we can again really elect our leaders. I continue to have visions of orange jumpsuits, it is about the only thing that makes me smile these days.

Edit to add The only other thing that makes me laugh on a regular basis is Tandalayo_Scheisskopf. Thanks TS, you have stopped tears of sheer frustration for me many times.

[Xenus Sister]

4. No

But welcome to DU!

(I'm in a cynical mood today and have no faith whatsoever in the media, politicians, the courts, or my fellow Americans to see what's going on, let alone care enough to DO something about it.)


Edited to add: at least history will know what happened. Future historians and generations will know what happened. All the hard work that people are doing will not be in vain.

[progressoid]

9. same here

I'm fluctuating between this being just a really low point in American history and this being the beginning of the end of our nation.

Gonna go buy some more gin now.

[Boredtodeath]

8. Yeah, it's coming

But not what you think. We're starting to see a multitude of organizations trying to shut down the discussion.

They are ramping it up to shut us down.

[righteous1]

13. Cmon folks lets not go off the deep end here

[Shalom]

14. See Patsy Stone thread on Perfect Storm - Simultaneous Orgasms !!

The only thing better than an orgasm is a simultaneous one, which I think many in DU sense coming, and will enjoy (the experience of a lifetime)... ;-)

[shraby]

26. Congress may be predominately republican, but....

they want to be re-elected. If they stand by their man when the going gets too rough, they will abandoned them for their own political survival. They'll be forced to start impeachment proceedings in order to save their own skins. :bounce:

[benburch]

30. Congress has no worries about re-election.

Were you not paying attention? They can rig any election result they choose.

[Pepper32]

35. Maybe, they think LieBold will come to their rescue. n/t

[Kellis]

37. I know the feeling

I am leery of getting too excited and hopeful-so most of the time I just do my part in gettin the info out there;emaling/calling etc-but with all thats gone on lately-I can't help BUT be elated at how things are progressing.

We can do it you guys.We CAN take this bastard down.WE are the ones who will do it!!

:kick:

[ourbluenation]

38. alright - alright...

I'm not quite having the cigarette yet. Premature ejac. If something huge doesn't break on this story soon though...argh. Has anyone contact Woodward and Bernstein?

JTT