Humble suggestion: wait for all evidence

[steve2470]

I vividly remember the unfolding of the Watergate scandal over June 1972 to the 1974 resignation of Nixon. Although I was only 13 when the break-in occurred, it never entered my mind or anyone I was reading at the time (Time magazine, Newsweek, etc.) that Nixon would eventually get roped into it. I do think, if you had mentioned Nixon's name in June or July of 1972, you would have been laughed off the planet. All I am saying here, is 1)the jury seems to still be out on the validity of fraud claims and 2)the fraud theory proponents have to put together a very strong, coherent case for fraud, just like the Dems. had to do in 1973 and 1974 to get Nixon and his cronies. Just a few thoughts to advance the Dem. cause.

[bowens43]

1. I disagree.

The more people who hear about the fraud the better. If we just sit back quietly and wait there is a very real possibility that someone, somewhere who has evidence will decide not to present it.

[Trajan]

2. Im going to personally ignore your plea ...

while I recommend you follow it ...

Freedom is a wonderful thing ...

[autorank]

3. I agree but...

This is not the Rovian double cover. They wouldn't release the truth as a red herring using Feeney. That guy was speaker of the FL House, I believe, and is to visible and knowledgeable to risk getting squeezed.
We should wait but I think this is a bit far out of their normal disinformation strategy parameters.

Let's see who the guys is, what he's up to, and, if this is verifiable, lets go midevil on their corruption.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

[nmoliver]

4. Watergate

People tend to forget, when they make Watergate analogies, that the Democrats controlled Congress at the time, and the media had a certain independence from the regime. - Nina

[whalerider55]

5. i remain skeptically hopeful, but

i haven't felt the Nixon analogy washes.

first, there was a strong feeling of Bi-partisan cooperation (ecept for house member trent lott, as i recall). the dems controlled the house and the senate, as i recall, but bent over backwards to be fair. this congress is created in the image of Newt Gingrich.

Second, a number of people sitting in these congressional seats have benfitted monetarily from the systems degradation.

third, people within the Nixon admin were morally outraged by his behaviour and fearful of his imminent psychological collapse- we were also without a VP for a while during that investigation, which made people very nervous about impeaching nixon.

fourth, at each level of the conspiracy, someone rolled over. James McCord on the breakin, Deep Throat on the big picture, dean on the coverup. Bushes have surrounded themselves with people loyal unto death. Name one person from any Bushes inner circle in the last three generations (inner circle) who has rolled on those nazi $$ laundering, traitorous multinational bandits. doesn't happen. Nixon was hated, the bushes are hated and feared. dead bodies start turning up when you get a little too close to the inner sanctum.

fifth, Nixon was isolated and plagued by his own demons. he was an intelligent, anti-social prick. Bush is isolated by his keepers, kept in the dark, but actually doesn't really give two flying rats asses about this country or democracy, or as best i can tell, christianity. at least nixon entered the service, even if he did spend his time as the quartermaster on some pacific island cheating sailors out of their pay with a going poker game and modest black market operation.

remember that the impeachment counts voted out of the house also included launching an illegal war in Cambodia, which actually carried a great deal of weight.

so ya think this congress would package an iraq impeachment resolution with a couple of illegal campaign manouvers? I doubt it. It will take another congress to move on this, one the dems have the majority in. the pugs won't really allow any official investigation at the congressional level for the next two years. So it will take a big bush screwup and a dem congress to even open the box on what happened this year, if impeachment is the way to go.

and i have doubts about the likelihood of a dem congress in 2006; since, in my opinion, dems missed the boat by not vigorously reframing the issue as one of enfranchisement from the month before the election until now.

finally, it was two investigative reporters and a paper with guts that was willing to take on Nixon. You won't find that combination of factors anywhere on this content these days.

bush will be outed. don't know when, don't know where.

whalerider55

[autorank]

6. First the TRUTH, then action.

You make a number of excellent points. The truth is paramount regarding the electoral process. If this is the real deal, then we are on the way to winning. It will mobilize people like never before; change disbelief, doubt, and resigned acceptance into outrage; and provide a wedge issue in our favor for decades.

The veracity of the story needs to be determined. If it's credible, then fasten your seat belts.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.