So Clint Curtis created a web site on Jan, 27 2004 ????

[trumad]

and on his web site he discusses Feeney and his program to hack the vote.... AND it's just now getting out?

Here's the whois:
http://www.networksolutions.com/en_US/whois/results.jhtml;jsessionid=AJTUI4FHZZH0MCWKEAQSFEQ?whoistoken=2&_requestid=867220

cut and paste the whole URL up above into your browser.... That will work...

Here's the page on his site discussing Feeney and the hack.
http://www.justaflyonthewall.com/

[emcguffie]

1. fly on the wall is clint curtis?

[trumad]

2. yeah..it looks that way...

[aquart]

3. What does that mean?

Who's flyonthewall???

Absolutely everybody knows more than I do.

[jamboi]

31. Yes he is. And he came onto DU the other day as JustAFlyOnTheWall & poste

d! I don't know if you saw that, but I got to ask him if he was the same person as runs the JustAFlyOnTheWall.com and he said yes. I'd already known about the website and Clint Curtis because Madsen had told me, but I couldn't say anything until Madsen brought it out first. Curtis has been trying to get the word out for some time now, but no MSM would cover it. Sound familiar?

[rog]

37. Jamboi ... WHY did he scrub the website of all content?

Just curious ... and it appears that it was done recently, according to another poster who saw the site when it was functional within the last few days.

Thanks.

.rog.

[mikelewis]

4. Okay, the justaflyonthewall is owned by Clint Curtis and his

registered email is [e-mail].

I checked the domain of that one and this info comes up

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CLINTCURTIS.COM
Created on: 09-Mar-03
Expires on: 09-Mar-07
Last Updated on: 09-Feb-04

Administrative Contact:
Curtis, Clint [e-mail]
Curtis Consulting
416 Dahlia Ave
Titusville, Florida 32796
United States
8502100047 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Curtis, Clint [e-mail]
Curtis Consulting
416 Dahlia Ave
Titusville, Florida 32796
United States
8502100047 Fax --



I then looked up Curtis Consulting and this is his site.
http://www.ccux.com/index.shtml


This guy is a computer guy. His background checks out then.

[mostly_lurking]

5. Different Curtis Consulting?

http://www.ccux.com/index.shtml

The name on that site is "Ray Curtis" (not "Clint") and it is in Maryland, not Florida.

[BlueDog2u]

6. Clint Curtis' affidavit was filed in Maryland /eom

[mostly_lurking]

9. That doesn't mean they are the same person

The site www.ccux.com is registered to "Ray Curtis". There is nothing to indicate he is in any way related to "Clint Curtis".

Also, the "prototype" on the website is supposed to be a Windows-based VB program. Curtis Consulting discusses C, C++, Perl, and Script programming and touts Unix/Linux experience. Nothing at all about VB or Windows.

Finally, the "prototype" program on the website shows all the qualities of a 10th grade homework assignment.

[BlueDog2u]

10. And your point is, what exactly? /eom

[mostly_lurking]

11. My point is this "Clint Curtis"

has no credibility and seems to be out to promote a book.

[BlueDog2u]

16. Getting yourself sued for libel

is a pretty stupid way to sell a book.

But hey, for all I know, you might be right.

[jamboi]

32. They ARE the same person. Trust me on this. n/t

[understandinglife]

7. did you check the bottom of that page...

Time: 624pm
Date: 12-06-2004
Counter: 505552

Page last updated:
Sunday, 04-Jul-2004 08:40:10 EDT

So, July 4th! is his last update and he's had more than a half-million hits to this rather obscure site!

Wonder who's checking IP addresses on his webserver access logs.

and, dig that cartoon -- '"skriebel skriebel" & look at the displayed form'


++++++++++++
Peace.

"Did Bush Know?"

[rog]

8. I found LOTS of info that's not readily visible on that site.

Trumad ...

I posted this on another thread, trying to get jamboi's attention, also sent him an email, but I don't know whether he got it.

There's not much visible on Curtis' website other than the page you saw ... and a link to his software, which is still there to download.

BUT ... I went to google and did a "site search" to get all the pages indexed on his site. The funny thing is that ALL the indexed pages default back to that main page you referred to. Essentially the site has been scrubbed ... but google still has the original pages in their cache.

Here's a link to my post from this morning, so you can check it out. I even included some very bizarre excerpts from the site.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=printer_friendly&forum=132&topic_id=1412224&mesg_id=1412482

And if you want to check it out for yourself, go to google and enter "site:justaflyonthewall.com" in the search box ... no quotes, of course. IT'S IMPORTANT to remember to click on the "Cached" link at the bottom of each entry for the site to see the original pages, otherwise you'll just get that long page that you've already seen.

It looks like excerpts from or acratch pages for chapters from his novel. In my original post, linked above, I included two of the more bizarre ones.

This guy's story seems to check out, but there's enough very strange stuff here so that I'm really curious to see what develops.

I HOPE jamboi and Madsen dig a little deeper into that website and talk to Curtis about it.

.rog.

Ah, what the heck ... I'll include the two excerpts here, just to whet your appetite. Then I'm not posting on this any more. Twice is enough.

Thanks.

.rog. (Not a newbie, despite the low post count.)

Emily Is Dead

Since the coincidences began, I always carry a 32 automatic. I took it out and snapped in a round. The larger guns are kept inside but even if someone had gained entrance they are each protected with individual combination locks. I wasn’t immediately worried about the rifles being compromised since I was standing in an open clearing in the middle of the woods. Blocked on all sides from the view of anyone else. If someone had planned on shooting me with a rifle, they would have surely already done so.

My concern was for the dogs. Since Champ was external and Emily could be anywhere, I went to his yard first. I found him laying in one of his many sleeping holes taking a nap. When I called him he immediately looked up. He seemed groggy as he climbed to his feet, but he still immediately came over as if to say " I’m thrilled to see you, what would you like to do". I gave Champ an ear scratch and went inside. Maybe everyone was just sleepy today.

When I opened the door I found Emily. Emily was lying in her bed next to my chair. Her front legs dangling over the edge. Her head was partially out of the bed and a pinkish colored foam surrounded her mouth. Drops were also on the floor between her doggy door and her bed. Even from across the room it was clear me that my angel was dead.

116

Here's another one:

They Know About The Book

I submitted to slightly less than 150 agents out of the literally thousands, when on July 5th I received the following e-mail.

---------------------------------------

From: john smith <?????????[e-mail] >

To: [e-mail]

Subject: They know about the book!!!!

Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2004 08:53:07 -0700 (PDT)

They know about the book. You should not have sent it to a bush supporter. They are going crazy...like they weren't after you already.

So I get to warn you AGAIN. They will do everything they can to keep it from getting published. They are also going to try to take you out again. Don't be alone. They specifically want to limit casualties to just you. As long as they can't catch you alone they won't touch you. You are such a loser.........

Moi

-------------------------------

Even more disturbing was the fact that this e-mail was received so close to the one-year anniversary of the mysterious death of Ray Lenke. He was the investigator that had been secretly working with me to expose the corruption that had taken over our government.

Now my genetic makeup in regards to death threats have always been tempered by large part of ignorance mixed with a good measure of arrogance. As silly as it seems, I have always felt that they just couldn’t get to me. I was on a noble mission. By providing the truthful information to the public. I could help prevent the disastrous results that this country will most surely face if Bush or any of Bush’s group remain in power. I could save lives of America’s children, who would be sent into various meat-grinders around the world in an effort to steal those Countries oil reserves.

88

[mostly_lurking]

13. Oh, goody... he's a complete nut job n/t

[eleny]

18. Why a nut job?

In all the reading I did today referenced today on DU, it was noted somewhere that his dog was indeed poisoned. Unwise to try to get his book published by friends of the Bush family. But the facts of the matter don't make him nutty.

[rog]

20. I'm just wondering why he attempted to scrub his site.

See my post above, and the original one linked within.

.rog.

Hey ... I'm not trying to throw cold water on this. It's just interesting what's there on the site. Don't ask me what it means.

.r.

[eleny]

21. I wasn't replying to you, rog

I was replying to the person who called him a nut job. Thanks for your posting, btw! I hadn't seen the site yet.

[rog]

22. No, no ... I'm just throwing the question out there.

Didn't mean to sound like I had my back up. (grin)

I just hope folks follow up on the google site search I mentioned and we can put our heads together on this.

Actually, it would be GREAT to hear from jamboi on this ... see if s/he has any thoughts.

I'm just curious, that's all. There are a lot of strange things here.

.rog.

[eleny]

23. Hugs {{{{{rog}}}}}

[truehawk]

28. No

[Twist_U_Up]

15. WOW CHECK THIS OUT

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:feeQlsJkRvkJ:www.justaflyonthewall.com/Documentation.htm+site:justaflyonthewall.com&hl=en

[rog]

19. Yep ... I'm 'way ahead of you.

But thanks for posting this.

See my post above, which you responded to. Follow the link to my original poast from this morning. I also had a post on that thread that points out the fact that the scanned article linked first on your page above (the "Documentation" page) ... found in google's cache ... was written by one "Henry Pierson Curtis, Sentinel staff writer." Relative of Clint Curtis? I don't know, but it's interesting, nonetheless.

Actually, we can thank DUer "monkie" for digging this out as early as Dec. 2nd. I found all this stuff by following up on her/his post.

.rog.

[Duer 157099]

24. thanks rog

I noticed the cached pages also, but didn't find as many as you did, thanks for the heads-up. In fact, I still haven't found which links contain the text that you posted above, about his dog etc (was that in one of the jpg links? which one?)

I have noticed now two occasions where he's altered names slightly, probably thinking that he can just say it was fiction if he was pressed into a corner (?) -- the Wong/Yang and the Lemme/Lenke.

There's a DOT document I found, which at the bottom says:

In Memory of
Larry Shelfer 1949-2003
Ray Lemme 1947–2003
Our Co-workers and Friends

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:gFNF6f8ygM0J:www.dot.state.fl.us/inspectorgeneral/Reports/AnnualReport2003.pdf+%22ray+lemme%22+florida&hl=en

Wonder if Shelfer had anything to do with this, or was a simply a co-worker (DOT Office of Inspector General) who happened to die in 2003 also and no connection.

[rog]

33. re: the chapter about his dog (archives are disappearing)

It's Chapter 8 ... "Emily Is Dead"

I found the "book indexs" you were talking about. It's here:
http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:kFPZtZEdB0QJ:justaflyonthewall.com/BookIndex.htm+site:justaflyonthewall.com&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

But you'll notice that all of those links now take you to the main page.

Whoa! I just went to find the "Emily" page and noticed that there are HALF as many pages indexed as there were this morning. Earlier today I had FOUR pages of hits for the site, now there are only TWO. I wonder if those archived pages are expiring from google's cache. The original content of the website appears to be vanishing in front of our eyes.

And I just tried to find the site at archive.org, and they have NOTHING.

Funny, huh?

.rog.

[Duer 157099]

34. Wow, that's what I suspected

that the pages were disappearing, I mean. I only got 2 pages earlier today when I looked, so yes, it's going.

Makes me wonder what might've been there yesterday, eh?

[Blue Diadem]

27. I was just at FlyontheWall's site the other day

and all his pages were available then. I read a page from each chapter of his book and I do remember a couple links to the book didn't work. What you've found were listed as one page of each chapter.

There's a post around here on DU somewhere with the link. That's how I found it.

[Blue Diadem]

30. Here's a reference from 12/2

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=104597&mesg_id=104776&page=

[rog]

35. Then that means he must have scrubbed the site within ...

... the last couple of days.

And now it seems like the archived pages from the site are disappearing from Google's cache. I had four pages of hits when I did a site search this morning, but now the same search only turns up two pages of hits. Does anyone know how long an archived web page "lives" in Google's cache?

I hope Madsen straight up asks him about this stuff. If things continue to disappear it's going to be tough to explain this to Madsen ... unless he's already hip to those web pages.

hm.

.rog.

Sorry if this is a dupe ... I posted this once and it didn't appear on the page.

.r.

[Duer 157099]

36. I wonder if he requested Google to remove

the cached pages, due to the nature of the info there? Although... it does seem like the info was the same as what is in his book, which can be purchased at Amazon (although, perhaps maybe he's also stopped selling it?)

[gizmo1979]

12. here's something

it's an article about freeny being investigated for his dealings with yang.It's at the bottom of the page. http://www.whoseflorida.com/central_florida.htm

[Straight Shooter]

14. I've been skeptical, too, but the BuzzFlash commentary page is intriguing

http://www.buzzflash.com/alerts/04/12/ale04096.html

Check it out. It comes together rather seamlessly, and if he's filed an affidavit, then it's either a masterful hoax or the bushit is really about to hit the fan.

[TexasLawyer]

17. "Just A Fly On The Wall, " a book by Clint Curtis

Buy it at Powell's Books-- Here's a link.

http://www.powells.com/cgi-bin/biblio?inkey=62-0976195917-0

[rawstory]

25. CALLING programmers for story

Hey, as I posted in another thread, we're interested in hearing programmers taking on the plausiblity/implausibility of this story. We would ask you go on the record by name. If you're comfortable with that, please PM me. Thanks.

[trumad]

26. Put a shout out for DU's ScottyZ

[steve2470]

29. a shorter URL for the above link of network solutions....

http://tinyurl.com/5br2y