I don't believe it.

[FranzFerdinand]

I don't think I can buy into this Clint Curtis stuff. I think what put me over the top was the 'someone killed his dog' part. I mean... For real? I don't know. Who is this guy?

Where is the confidentiality agreement that Feeney *must* have had him sign before he started working something as incredibly bold as rigging vote machines?

on edit - a silly PDF that screams of forged military papers with "modern type"? What's going on here?

on edit #2 - i corrected the spelling of "dog". I mean, what kind of total dooshbag spells "dog" wrong.

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[Razorback_Democrat]

40. myschkin, thank you for your diagnosis

Now are you able to treat me as well????

There are freepers on these boards

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[Duncan]

46. Freepy sows discord. (n/t)

[tngledwebb]

32. What is the most important political issue

for Dems, in your opinion. I live in Ohio, and I'm a Marxist.

[troubleinwinter]

2. His dog was killed, not his 'god'

[IAMREALITY]

3. Don't Make Fun Of Dyslexics. It's not nice

hehe

[karlrschneider]

4. I had the exact same reaction...and also wondered how he could get a

job like that without an employment contract that would cover confidentiality of intellectual property -as well as- as you mention,
a simple CYA for a project of that sort. I think the whole thing is a farrago of crap. :eyes:

[BlueDog2u]

5. without an employment contract that would cover confidentiality of intelle

ctual property.

Now that's a very valid reason to be suspicious. Unlike some of the reasons which have been bandied about.

[berni_mccoy]

9. We don't know that he didn't sign an NDA

And even if he did, NDA's can't protect someone from fraud. Mr. Curtis would not be legally or civilly bound by such an agreement.

[BlueDog2u]

47. Good point/eom

[LiberalAndProud]

20. You can't enforce a confidentiality clause to protect an

illegal act.

I'm not a lawyer. But that doesn't fly.

[pointsoflight]

6. Can we please stick to the existing threads?

We really don't need 10 different threads on this topic or we'll see a repeat of the Keith/Bev fiasco.

[Stand and Fight]

7. Withholding an opinion.

Let's just say I am very much in the deepest parts of the "undecided" camp. Hence, my silence during the last couple of days as this issue has developed. I don't care to get involved in any of the childish arguments I've read lately. So, I only post ambiguously... I do think that both camps are setting themselves up for a big disappointment -- A MONOLITHIC DISAPPOINTMENT OF EPIC PROPORTIONS.

[BradBlog]

22. 'Undecided' is good.

Be skeptical! Though not cynical.

Keep asking, searching, and deciding. The scope of the story itself is rather large (leaving aside Madsen's Bush Family stuff, which I'm not working on at all) with *tons* of stuff for folks to look into!

Brad
The BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[BlueDog2u]

49. I am also undecided

It seems to me that most of the dogma has been coming from the debunkers. Not all of them, but some: along with the healthy skepticism has been a serious dose of "pay no attention to the little man behind the curtain" kind of logic. No one with a healthy bullshit meter would be accepting any of this at face value given the present state of the story. But those who believe in the value of inquiry and questioning will also resist premature foreclosure. Much of Curtis' story checks out. That doesn't prove the rest of it, but it does say to me that the basis for rejecting his claims has not been securely established.

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[FranzFerdinand]

12. you should open your mouth wider when you speak

[Catt03]

10. Tom Feeney is the David Duke of Florida politics

and may be capable of such outlandish suggestions like fixing an election.

To Tom Feeney, conservatism is God ordered and he will defend the policies beyond reason. Remember Feeney was the one who announced to the world in 2000 that..... the Florida Legislature had the right and was obligated to appoint electors to make sure George Bush was presdident.


Don'tknow Curtis.

edit: spelling

[LiberalAndProud]

23. Seems Tom Feeney needs to recuse himself from House Judiciary

hearings.

They are investigating one of their own.

FACTS:
Georgalis and an unnamed colleague were strongly encouraged to leave the Florida Department of Transportation early in 2003. WEI has a contract with FDoT which expires in 2007.

Georgalis' connection with both the FDoT and WEI is established.

Raymond Lemme died in 2003.


Verify:
Tom Feeney employed as corporate council/lobbyist by WEI?

Document:
Feeney's election: anomolies?

Espionage?
China-Wang connection documented.

[Verve]

27. You gotta be kidding me. Tom Feeney is a House Judiciary member?

So, realistically, how likely is it that anything will come out of the unofficial partisan Congressional hearings tomorrow?

[jsamuel]

11. How about we wait until TOMORROW'S COURT HEARING?

Can we wait a day to make up our minds please?

[Democrat Dragon]

13. right.

For now I'm putting my money on Cliff Arenbeck.

[Cronus Protagonist]

15. You are making a fucking big mistake

..."douche bag" is the correct spelling, not "dooshbag" - the characteristics of one who can't spell dog, as you pointed out.

:)




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[jhgatiss]

16. I love some of these buttons!

I have to get some! Do you know of any other sites with really GOOD anti-Republican gear?

[Cronus Protagonist]

17. No. Only mine. Sorry

I've never seen any other site quite like it. Get some magnets - you'll like them.

[alittlelark]

18. Spell 'dooshbag' correctly

it's 'douche bag"

[stella2cat]

19. wasn't there a Franz Ferdinand at the start of World War One? n/t

[BradBlog]

21. If I understand your question correctly...

...then perhaps you may have slightly misunderstood.

Curtis worked for Yeng. While I haven't seen a confidentiality agreement, I'd assume he'd have one with the company that would cover work done there.

In fact, when I had asked him why he didn't just sneak out such a copy of something so "sinister", he told me (not working from notes here, but memory) "are you kidding? it was a secure building, you can't leave with that stuff"

I hope that *at least* clears up the question about why (I don't think) there would be any kind of confidentiality agreement between Curtis and Feeney. Though I'd imagine there would have been one with Yang (YEI).

There is *much* paper trail in all of this. The bulk of it public records (hello?) since he'd been through court so many times in the various battles against Yang, FDOT, etc.

There will be even more concerning the other whistleblower on the case, Mavis Georgalis, since her suit was successful, and she instigated several other motions, etc.

And again, public records (Yang case originally filed in Seminole County, later moved to Leon County).

I attempted to give such identifiable, trackable, verifiable details in my story so they could be checked out. And checked out *thoroughally*.

Clint has much paper as well, and they are being given to folks to work with.

I'll have some paper myself to hopefully dump on my Blog tomorrow (if I can get in!)

Brad
The BRAD BLOG
http://www.BradBlog.com

[Hamoth]

25. It's called the "hideyhole"

I would gladly sink to smuggling tricks to get proof of voter fraud were it at my fingertips. Get one of those little datakeys and a plastic bag...

I am totally serious here...if it was democracy or pride, which would I first give up? Then again, people acuse me of being very quick to give up pride....

Cheeseburger....or pride....

Damn you cheeseburger!

But I mean, this guy had access, had hte info, wrote the code, right? Don't tell me tha for hte author of voter fraud software, smuggling out a little info and code is all that hard?

[KansDem]

26. "someone killed his dog'"

Could (easily) be proven by:
1. Police reports--wouldn't the average citizen report to police that his dog was killed. This should be public information;
2. Local news--could there be an article (ie, the usual police blotter) in the local rag about this, if it actually happened?

[Straight Shooter]

28. No. People do not report if their dog is killed.

I would. I mean, everyone in town would hear me screaming about it, anyway.

But I know people who have had their pets killed, they even know who did it in a couple instances, and they never reported it.

What do the police care about dead pets when they can't solve so many other crimes for lack of clues?

Killing someone's beloved pet is always high on the list of retribution. National Geographic ran an article a few months ago about a woman in Hawaii, IIRC, fighting land developers. They have threatened to kill her dog. Oddly enough, her dog is a German shepherd. They had her photo with her dog. It made me really sad to see the dog and think that someone would kill it to shut her up and make her compromise with powerful people.

[merh]

33. Why do you repeat right wing talking points and then expect

folks to respect your views and trust your opinions? Of course your veracity and motives are questioned, you state crap in your original post.

"a silly PDF that screams of forged military papers with "modern type"? What's going on here?"

FYI - there was never any prove that the docs were forged and the "modern type" theory has been discredited ad naseum. If you must use facts to support your position or your doubts, please use legitimate facts.

Do you smell it, desparation in the air! Debunk, discredit, demoralize.


Damage control by the damage patrol.

[FranzFerdinand]

38. har har har!

it's gonna be alright, you'll get through this.

vote kerry.

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[FranzFerdinand]

42. hey, now you're just being hurtful...

i'm a freeper, my colors don't run ;) maybe you missed the ten million other threads where i openly admitted to being a freeper (although i donated mucho deniro to Kerry and even voted for him *gasp*).

and i think you owe Sting some royalties for using his lyrics from 'every breath you take'.

[merh]

48. 10,000 other threads - how'd you do that you only have 161 posts

:shrug:

What other names you been using?

[Razorback_Democrat]

43. Watch out, someone will accuse you of being paranoid

you aren't

freeper colors are seeping through with a lot of posters here (not yours)

[Razorback_Democrat]

41. Exactly!

then the defensiveness makes it more so

[Last Lemming]

34. It's douchbag. . .

[FranzFerdinand]

36. used to be a great band in Buffalo called "Last Lemming"...

is that you?

[Last Lemming]

50. Nahh. . .

I'm a bar in the Caribbean--I forget which island--

[november3rd]

35. Curtis seems "fringe" at best

Curtis and Madsen are fun to read about but they're not going to flip the election to Kerry. That is only going to happen through the honest grunt work on the ground in Ohio with Ahrenbeck, Conyers and the Ohio volunteers who are making the recount happen.

There's something too serendipitous about an affidavit from heaven the day before the results get certified. It will die as suddenly as it was born and go back to oblivion, regardless of what happens on the ground in Ohio.

[Duncan]

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