The republican party will NEVER recover from this mistake.

[organik]

Once the mainstream US accepts the facts of what occurred in the 2000 and 2004 elections, the republicans will forever lose credibility, with everybody except for the most fanatical religious zealots. Then, progressives will finally have their day in the sun...and it will be glorious. I can't wait.

I see it coming.

Can almost smell it, the fear of the right that their jig is up.

http://2004electiontheft.com

[unblock]

1. i've been saying that ever since watergate

realistically, at worst, the bfee will be discredited.

the republican party will survive.

were they to return to their eisenhower/rockefeller phase, i wouldn't mind it, but alas, i rather doubt even that much.

[Spiffarino]

5. I don't know. There are Chafee, Snowe...

...and Lieberman ;)

I wouldn't count McCain since he sold his soul to the BFEE, but there are still a few of them out there who aren't off their rockers. The Republican party will survive as long as it abandons the Bush death cult.

[WillJP]

2. "except for the most fanatical religious zealots"

I thought the vast majority of Repugs were fanatical religious zealouts?

[newyawker99]

25. Hi WillJP!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[man4allcats]

3. Are you kidding?

Don't hold your breath. Republicans have no fear of being discredited. It's not as if they give a damn what anybody thinks. That, in fact, is what makes them republicans. :eyes:

[MarkusQ]

4. I fear you are correct

As a life-long Republican, I fear you are correct. And I believe many of us feel that way. Watergate was bad; this on top of it, will be much worse. That said, the sooner and more thoroughly we can get the matter resolved (note: "resolved" does NOT mean stonewalled) the better the chances for my party and my country.

That's why you'll see us at the march this Sunday.

Honest elections are NOT a partisan issue.

--MarkusQ

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[merh]

7. I think I love you MarkusQ!

:loveya: - Living in a red state with psuedo repugs that claim to be true but have no idea what the party has ever stood for is very tough. Though I do not share the repug beliefs, the original GOP would never stand for this mock repug admin. The endless spending, the increased government intrusion into its citizens lifes, the increased powers of the government and arms of the government.

Thank you for seeing beyond your party to the true issues, Honest Elections. Thank you for sharing our passion on this non-partisan issue. :grouphug:

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Karenca]

8. Thank you for your support, Markus...Tho, I am a lifelong Democrat, I do

remember when being a member of the Republican party was an honest choice, just not my choice. I cannot believe how these monsters have brought such shame to your party, and even worse, shame to what was once the greatest country on earth. The damage they have done to us, and to the entire world in four years is criminal. What will happen if they are allowed four more?
I want to thank you for crossing party lines in the name of truth.
I am very glad to welcome you here.:toast:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. I have met within the last couple of years Republicans who

Feel exactly as you do Markus. Some quite Conservative. They know that the Republican party has been co-oped by thugs who have only one allegiance, to themselves.

Welcome to DU!

[electropop]

14. Markus is the MAN!

You are very brave to stand up for democracy. I think all Republicans should. If they believe it's above board, they'll be eager to prove it, and if not, the party needs to be disinfected.

[wrate]

26. You are an admirable person because you are able to rise above your

ideology and personal gain to stand up for your country. That takes courage and brains. I congratulate you.

[Twist_U_Up]

29. Thanks Marcus n/t

[NVMojo]

9. for such a lying, thieving bunch of mf-ers, it is incredible how

a group of no values or integrity attracts so many "Christian" valued voters to fall down on their knees for them....

33. Name calling doesn't help our cause

I'm a "newbie" and mostly a lurker. I am beyond outraged by what is happening in America. I live in Nepal and see things from a different perspective. Here, the corruption is openly acknowledged and discussed. Most Nepalis think America is pure as the driven snow.

Anyway, it distresses me when I read posts that call repubs all kinds of names. Just as we ask the rest of the world not to lump all Americans in with the American government, I think we need to be mindful of the many, many registered republicans who should not be lumped in with their party's leadership. There is no benefit to the divisiveness of name-calling, no matter how heinous the crime. Ask any elementary school teacher or parent.

Namaste. Shanti (peace)

[The Backlash Cometh]

10. I said it before. This will destroy the Republican party's crediblity

one and for all. Machiavelli Christians. Talk about cognitive dissonance disorder.

[bones_7672]

12. You mean the "mainstream US" ...

... that is at the malls and WalMart? The ones that are watching "Santa versus the Snowman"? The ones going to the holiday parties?

Or the thousands protesting every day at the state capitals? OH, WAIT, THEY'RE NOT!!

You are waiting for Utopia, and it just ain't coming.

[BeFree]

20. Not utopia at all

What this message is about is democracy. It is about the UNITED States.

As long as one side looks the other way when core democratic values are violated, ie the vote, then we are a divided nation.

"With Liberty and Justice For All" is the pledge, eh? Well, it need be more than just a pledge, it must be a reality, and not just a 'utopian' dream by only a few hardy democrats.

When all people live the pledge questions are answered, the truth is known. As it stands, questions about the vote are ridiculed. There is NO justice in that ridicule, and it is fast becoming a denial of liberty.

[txindy]

13. I have to agree

The only chance they have is for the true GOP members to stand up and confront the fraud publicly as its revealed. If they cover up for their neocon members, then, yes, they're done as a party. If they don't realize that they are the next targets in coming elections, to be replaced by more rabid neocons, then they're just dirt stupid and deserve to lose everything they've worked for their entire political lives.

[KansDem]

16. You have an excellent point...

This is what brought Nixon down. When initial accusations were made against him, Republicans instinctively circled the wagons. However (and I heard this in an interview with a GOPer years after the resignation), enough Republicans, after seeing the evidence of Nixon wrong-doing, decided that "party loyalty" was trumped by the "good of the Nation."

[KansDem]

15. "Mistake?"

I think you're being too generous in your assessment of what the GOP has done and what they're capable of doing...

John Kerry said it best when he described them as crooks and liars.

[intelle]

17. KansDem...I agree with you

We are not talking about mistakes here, we are talking about criminal activity. And, while I am sure there are honest repubs, the party itself has become corrupt.

I thought this board is for Dems and Progressives?

[FreeCajun]

24. Can't a Repub be a Progressive?

Teddy Roosevelt was a damn fine example of a man, Republican or not. So was Lincoln. Even since the Republican party has fallen to this fascist agenda, there are still a lot of people who are holding to *THOSE* ideals; the ideals of freedom and equality from Lincoln, and of fighting down the "robber barons" and preserving national treasures like Roosevelt.
Based on those ideas, I was once nominally a Repblican myself; I even watched Rush on TV for a while, mostly because we only caught three channels and it was the most entertaining thing on between the nightly news and Star Trek. Its what led me to see in full light the ridiculousness of the modern Republican party: their nebulous, unexplained idea that "things are very wrong with this country" was not what *I* thought was wrong with the country. There are a lot of people like I was; they believe things are going wrong and have no proper progressive information outlet -try to find one in Erath, Louisiana-, so they latch on to the neo-cons radio network and project their own views onto it.
The neo-con brainwashing is the problem here, and its shifted both Republican and Democrat alike as we align ourselves along these new ideological spectra; corporate messianism, nation-building and so-called "freedom on the march."
Personally, I love to hear Republicans speak out against the corruption inherent in the new Republican party that is betraying them, maybe more than it is betraying the rest of us.
Especially if it means that "regime change begins at home." ;)

[organik]

23. to clarify -

Should have been more clear, I meant mistake in the sense that the repubs aren't distancing themselves from this mutant form of their party, not mistake as in the stealing of the election was a mistake. Electoral fraud on this level certainly is a high crime, and should be dealt with as such.

[IndyOp]

18. A confession...

I don't feel good about this: I got rebellious yesterday and posted a vote fraud graphic on my office door. Why is this not good?

The man in the office next to mine is the only Republican in the office and he is African American (one of two). We talked politics before the election and he indicated that he does *not* like Bush - that Bush was not a true conservative and had made a lot of stupid mistakes. Nonetheless, he was going to vote for Bush because Kerry was *the* most liberal person in the Senate (he listens to Rush Limbaugh).

The graphic I posted was the one showing precincts with over 3% ballot spoilage -- of course many, many, many Kerry precincts -- 98% of which are in African American areas of Cuyahoga County. I posted this graphic because this issue really, really ticks me off -- that we can just let the disenfranchisement of 93,000 Ohio citizens happen and just shrug our shoulders and move on.

I also posted it because I am angry with the guy in the next office -- how can he not understand that this has been happening for years, that it is effecting the results of elections, and making voters give up on the system?

I feel bad about getting in his face with this - but if I am advocating confrontation then I had better be willing to confront...

:eyes:

[PATRICK]

19. The Reverse Godfathers

First they start out with legitimate business, then it becomes a front, then it degenerates completely into crime- now using their illegal muscle to bully their prior images of respectability.

No wonder the GOP looks weird in its descent into organized crime.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. I'd like to think that, but I disagree.

As long as the majority of white men vote republican, they'll recover.

[Kellis]

22. I disagree

Because this specific administration-The Shrub Co Criminals- have discredited the republican party itself by not being 'conservative' republicans at all.
AND now that the right is asscociated so closely with the evangelical right-well I think the backlash against the theocracy that comes along with being Right Wing/Republican will certainly have a negative effect on the party.
Extremes of any kind are not good.
Extremes coupled with criminal activity is as good as a death sentence.
They are killing themselves thru supporting ShrubCo.

[FREEDOMRULES3]

32. very true

we have a winner!!!! white males are so voting republican they should call it the whitepublican party instead. hunters also vote in droves and 90% vote puke. we need to change the mindset of these people.

[genieroze]

27. You forgot 2002 with Hagel. He's not the only dirtbag.

Who has a financial interest in voting machine companies.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/dec2003/vote-d24.shtml

[AnIndependentTexan]

28. as long as we stay united we should all be OK

Meaning leave the infighting to the republican party because after they eat each other alive. If we stay united we should come out of this stronger then before.

[gizmo1979]

30. hope you are right

but it seems everything rolls off these people like Teflon. There have been so many lies so much corruption.and the election was still close enough for us to worry about it. We should of won by 10 million votes.There are just too many stupid people in the U.S.

[TruthIsAll]

31. Yes, and too few vote counters. n/t

.

[bunny planet]

34. mistake?

Oh, you mean the accidentally on-purpose mistake. That mistake.