Why are the results so screwy looking?

[ClintCooper2003]

Look at Austin, TX. A Bush stronghold in 2000 and it switched overwhelmingly against him in 2004.

Charlotte, NC. A Bush city in 2000 and it switched to Kerry in 2004.

Indianapolis, IN. Bush country in 2000; Kerry country in 2004.

And yet, we have places like Miami, Palm Beach, and Broward, where Bush's gains from 2000 were much, much higher than the Democratic gains.

Were Democrats in Indianapolis more energized than they were in Palm Beach? More energized in Charlotte than they were in Broward?

Does anyone have a reasonable explanation other than the "F" word?

[Up2Late]

1. Heads are going to ROLL

Sounds like some poor Computer Programmer/Fraudster is going to die :cry:

I guess nobody predicted Bush would actually get MORE votes where he shouldn't.

[Razorback_Democrat]

2. No explanation that I can see

unless it was guns

(GOP was massively passing around that "Kerry was going to take their guns"-as a Kerry phone banker in Arkansas I can't tell you how many people told me this!)

[papau]

3. Austin, TX. A Bush stronghold in 2000 ??? do you have a link to the

numbers that show that, as I do not recall that. Indeed I believe it was Gore in 2000.

Indeed do you have any links - or is the post Fox news type urban rumor?

[ClintCooper2003]

4. Austin is in Travis County. visit uselectionatlas.org for details.

[papau]

5. Travis County results are not Austin results.

:-)

I'd still like links to verify what appears to be Urban rumor/spin.

The spin could easily be that if Bush cities went to Kerry in 2004, that proves a trend, proves a get out the vote, and questions the truth of Bush win.

Or it could be a throw hand up in air and say "things change" - the odd stuff went both ways - move on.

But I really do wonder if University/State worker precincts really were for Bush in 2000.

[ClintCooper2003]

6. Travis county is VERY SMALL

There is almost nothing to Travis County EXCEPT Austin. Do your research.

[papau]

11. ESLATE system - - better than diebold in many ways!

no screen calibration so no "error" of pressing near KERRY and getting a Bush vote

hash test of each machine to certified version of each program

will adopt paper trail if needed

not connected to INTERNET - people record vote total and sum with other machines

triple redundancy data storage so vote change game must hit 3 data bases to be not caught.

rather a good system!

[papau]

13. Eslate replaced non- BBV that was not as solid?

GOP vote in Travis stayed the same between years (141k versus 147k)

while Dem vote increase from 125k to 197k

indeed that is what I would expect from a liberal area that hated Bush in 04.

Indeed early voting doubled in 04 - so folks were motivated!

[ClintCooper2003]

15. Exactly, so why didn't this happen in Miami and Palm Beach?...

Things that make you go, "Hmmmmm...."

[papau]

17. the 2 GOP Sen Hagel BBV companies have none of the protections

that Eslate has.

And those companies BBV do seem to be associated with the fraud.

Eslate proves honest elections are possible with BBV!

:-)

[Qutzupalotl]

7. They forgot to steal those.

Thought they were safe, maybe.

[jsamuel]

8. Or maybe those are controlled by Dems who were not in on it...

[truehawk]

9. A lot of things that I can't spell come to mind

Abu Greb.
Tourture of our good name.
Insane Ecomomic programs that destroy jobs?
Destruction of our Research Infastructure,
Destruction of our Industral Infastructure.

[RaulVB]

10. Just fraud

What you are pointing out is, probably, the strongest lead.

Statistics defy that type of shift in the electoral patterns from one election to the next one.

Is that simple.

[papau]

14. I agree - the 04 BBV seems very solid compared to 00 procedure.

:-)

[november3rd]

12. Ahrenbeck told the Danish reporter

that the switch of votes was supposed to target Republicans who voted for Kerry, and, effectively, switch them back to W.

However, it seems from the results (and if you can believe Madsen and "Brad Menfil") that the vote switch programs were only run in certain key counties in several states -- not everywhere.

So maybe the programmers knew the Republicans were going to vote for Kerry -- I certainly thought so -- but they rightly predicted the key locations that only had to be unreversed to win the election.

[rzemanfl]

16. Austin, etc.

Kerry carried every U.S. city over 500,000 population and at least half of the smaller ones. In order to steal an election one needs either to know how about many votes to steal or to count votes like Saddam Hussein did (99.9%-no spoiled ballots in pre-war Iraq). This is why I believe that no democrat should cooperate with pre-election pollsters in the next election, maybe we should even lie to them. With no benchmarks, the Republicans might steal so many votes as to be totally obvious or steal too few and give the country back to the people.