How can the mainstream media ignore this?

[Pacifist Patriot]

Excellent soundbite after excellent soundbite. I am so glad I overcame my trepidation and decided to watch the Conyer hearing. I realize they are focusing on Ohio for a reason, but I sure wish we'd hear more about the discrepancies in FL, NC, NM, etc.

[brainshrub]

1. Easy! the same way they ignore everything else.

[pbartch]

10. THAT IS RIGHT...........the newspapers and TV news don't give a crap.

I can't believe the story won't be given coverage in NY, Washington DC and Los Angeles

[tngledwebb]

26. They give a crap about something,

but not the truth, real democracy or even freedom of the press.

[berniew1]

38. Documentation that Kerry won Ohio

Documentation that Kerry won Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/supreme.htm


Strong Evidence of fraud in Miami County, Ohio
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/miami.htm

High undercounts in Kerry precincts and low undercounts in Bush precincts in Cincinati
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cincinnati.htm

Indications of Fraud in several Ohio counties
www.flcv.vom/fraudioh.html

?Indications of possible ballot box stuffing in S.W. Ohio counties
http://www.flcv.com/swohio.html
http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/warren.htm

?Favoritism in the Suburbs http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/suburbs.htm

?Stealing Votes in Cleveland http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/cleveland.htm

(there is more documentation)
(this is without the huge amount of voter suppression that has been previously documented)

[jamboi]

11. They won't be able to now.

[Patsy Stone]

2. Is that

a rhetorical question?? :)

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. Totally!

[Catherine Vincent]

4. Just sit back and watch. It'll happen.

[Mandate My Ass]

5. Scott Peterson, Julia Roberts' twins & Christmas shopping

ate up all their time? :shrug:

[Pacifist Patriot]

7. You failed to mention Jacko's DNA results.

[Mandate My Ass]

9. D'oh

:o

[kcass1954]

19. Don't forget...

the ghost that sold on EBay for $65,000. I don't think my day would have been complete without that tidbit of information.

[johnnie]

6. Because the "Liberal biased media" doesn't pay attention to this crap

They are too far left to report the real news, they only make up things to make the liberals look good and they never say anything good about the conservatives in this country. That's why!!!

:sarcasm off:

[Pacifist Patriot]

8. *snort*

[SeattleRob]

12. Why?..

It's hard for the media to see anything when their collective heads are so far up the ass of the Bush Administration.

[reality_bites]

13. Well...

Some mistakes have been made. I heard several referenes to statitical studies. Yet, all studies I've seen have been credibly questioned or entirely debunked. Whether they are right or not is irrelevant. These other studies will be raised by the other side and scholarly debunkers who appear credible will appear on MSM.

To many references to exit poll comparisons were made. This is bad because the other side can trot out many scholars who will say no valid conclusions about fraud can be made from exit polls - we've seen this claim by dissenters on DU many times. We may disagree, but there are many experts who think exit polls are useless to show fraud. These experts will appear on MSM.

There are other problems.

[MarkusQ]

16. That is made more difficult

To(o) many references to exit poll comparisons were made. This is bad because the other side can trot out many scholars who will say no valid conclusions about fraud can be made from exit polls - we've seen this claim by dissenters on DU many times. We may disagree, but there are many experts who think exit polls are useless to show fraud. These experts will appear on MSM.

This is made much more difficult by the present administration's use of exit polls to discredit foreign elections.

As for the statistical studies, most of them haven't been "debunked," but you are correct that pretty much all of them have been questioned. In some cases, the questions have been answered, and in others the questions have themselves been questioned. That's the whole value of such studies: they raise questions. And while there isn't much "proof" coming from this quarter, there are certainly a lot of interesting questions.

--MarkusQ

[txindy]

36. Funny how we can go after Ukraine for their election fraud, isn't it?

All based on their exit polls. Yet, ours are supposedly unreliable. What a crock that is.

Anyone who doesn't believe exit polls are an excellent barometer of the actual vote gets his talking points from Junior and his dittoheads. The same Junior who is using the Ukraine exit polls to interfere in that country's elections. What. A. Shock.

You're also correct about the statistical studies not having been debunked. They've been merely questioned by wingnuts and those they employ.

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

24. "Too many references to exit poll comparisons"

Discrepancies between exit poll data and official vote tallies can't prove WHY or HOW something happened, but they provide exceptionally strong prima facie evidence that SOMETHING happened.

Our entire case cannot be based on exit polls vs. official votes, but this is extremely important evidence. Scientists say theories must be "falsifiable." In this case:

THEORY = "Election was rigged. Kerry should have won, but Bush 'won.'"

ALTERNATIVE THEORY = "Election was fair."

THEORY DISCREDITED AND ALTERNATIVE SUPPORTED if exit poll data matches official vote data (or Bush does better in exit polls than in official vote data).

THEORY SUPPORTED AND ALTERNATIVE WEAKENED if Bush does better in exit polls than in official vote data.

THEORY PROVEN if exit poll data supports theory AND other evidence shows HOW election was rigged.

If the exit polls matched the official votes, we would not be having this discussion. So it is obviously important evidence because it casts serious doubt on the ALTERNATIVE THEORY. It just doesn't, in itself, prove the THEORY. But it is highly consistent with the THEORY.

[GreenPartyVoter]

14. Easy peasy! Do what thy master the Anti-Christ bids, and stick to the

RW talking points.


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[tridim]

15. How can Al Franken ignore this?

He's supposed to be on our side. We'll see what he has to say today.

[tavalon]

20. Hmmm, interesting comment

left me thinking - What exactly is "our side"?

See, I'm kind of seeing the Democrats as Republican light right about now. I adore Al, but he does seem to have been shining up his running shoes lately, if you get my drift. He might just not want to rile them easily angered Repubs.

[Cocoa]

17. it's newsworthy, for sure

the organizers of the hearing are doing a great job of steering clear of the bogus stuff.

The question is, will that make the media more reluctant to cover it? Maybe they like it the way it is, where everyone thinks any discussion of election issues is nutty.

[Pacifist Patriot]

21. I think Conyers is doing an admirable job of chairing the forum.

[ramblin_dave]

18. Has anyone been caught on video ordering the rigging?

Is there at least an audio tape?

No?

Well then, there's no proof of anything.

[Cocoa]

23. irrelevant to this hearing

whether you are being literal or facetious, this hearing has nothing to do with proof. No one up there claims to have proof.

[pointsoflight]

27. What a ridiculous comment.

Most crimes are prosecuted without audio or video tape. Give me a break.

[malatesta1137]

40. the fact is

this hearing is worthless, as dramatic as it might've been. It's not legally valid and it was definitely NOT a trial, as you just made it sound.

These hearings are Repugs throwing us a bone, letting us at least vent. It's not going anywhere.

[myschkin]

49. here

rtsp://cspanrm.fplive.net/cspan/project/c04/c04120804_conyers.rm

[Patsy Stone]

22. Has the Virgin Mary or Scott Peterson appeared yet??

That's the only way, as I see it. :)

[neversaynever]

25. They will NOT be able to ignore this any longer

and they are going to look like TOTAL complete fools.

[Quakerfriend]

28. God bless Jessie Jackson

Did you all hear him say at the end of the hearings that "this cannot simply be an academic exercise." He seemed to be talking to us......imploring us to get out in the streets!! He was quite good and at one point became almost teary when talking about how we cannot continue to allow minorities to be supressed. I know that he has lived through many moments in history. This must truly break his heart.

[Acryliccalico]

31. C-Span today

We have to get out on the streets in our individual capitals this Sat. and Sun. so that no media anywhere can avoid airing the protests or the people of this country.:bounce:

[neversaynever]

35. Jackson....

I live just blocks away from RAINBOW PUSH HEADQUARTERS....am running around telling my neighbors "I think Jesse may have just saved the country!"

In fact, in my canvassing and campaign efforts, I kept using that line:

C'mon people, we in Illinois are the strongest Dems in the country, we need to PUSH this--and that has been and will continue to be a very convincing argument. It gets people motivated.

[ailsagirl]

37. It is heart breaking-- for all of us. Or, at least, those of us

who care about democracy and freedom (which the repugs don't, apparently). Look how far we've sunk since this band of thugs took over. But they're not even thugs because I think of thugs as being tough and mean. These guys are mean but not tough-- they're a bunch of chickenhawks. Cowards. They let someone else do all the dirty work. They're despicable. (I'm running out of adjectives)

But Jesse isn't giving up, thank God. We have much to thank him for. It takes guts to face these monsters. I commend each and every person who was there today-- I wish we could all have been there!!!

[malatesta1137]

43. no, WE are the fools

the media in this country has been taking us for a ride for many years, how do you think a cocaine sniffer, abortion paying, war deserting idiot became President in 2000?

They will ignore these hearings and everything will be peachy, just in time for Christmas.

[IndyOp]

29. PUSH MSM FOR COVERAGE & PUSH CONGRESS - FUROR NOW!

CALL ALL of your elected officials and as many media as you can reach today.

I just called the local and Washington offices of my 2 Senators and Congressman and gave them an earful. A woman in my Congressman's Washington office was VERY interested to hear what I had to say about computer vote fraud, agreed that with Republicans in control for the next 4 years we have NO chance for free & fair elections in future, and volunteered her opinion that AMERICANS SHOULD BE RISING IN FUROR to protest this stolen election.

PLEASE - whether or not you believe there is a case for fraud - FIGHT to ensure an immediate complete investigation and overturn of election results if warranted.

FIGHT! FIGHT! FIGHT!

Now is the time to go NUCLEAR -

[BooshIsEvil]

32. The main stream media isn't ignoring the problem

They ARE the problem! Rupert Murdoch would, and has, gladly run his propaganda news organizations at a loss in order to sell their lies to the sheeple.
If you're relying on NBC and Faux News to let the masses know the truth, what is REALLY happening in this country and abroad, I suggest you don't hold your breath.
Follow the money. NBC could lose money every day, but it doesn't matter. Their real job is to sell war and that's where the profit is. They also own the company that builds the weapons.

[MoonRiver]

30. They definitely will ignore it all. The whores want righwing status quo

maintained. It's in their best, ;), "interests" you know.

[proudtobeadem]

41. Then we have to protest the blackout outside their offices

[xiamiam]

33. its gotta be murder

before the American public and msm take interest...and yes it is....murder of democracy..murder of hope in the most inherent and fundamental right of an American...yet the Peterson trial and court tv get more attention than this premeditated murder...how do you get them to sit up and take notice?...the charge with premeditated attempted murder of a precious body...

[newyawker99]

34. Hi xiamiam!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[googly]

39. It is strictly what will sell....Scott Peterson outsells Conyers hearing

which explains the coverage. Media don't give a shit about country,
democracy, patriotism. It is strictly $$$$$$$.

[skids]

42. How can DU ignore this?

Noone has thought to put an article with a link to hear/watch the C-SPAN coverage up for nomination to the homepage yet?

[fearnobush]

44. We need to create our own Media. On Cable, on Radio (doing - AAR)

on paper and on broadcast TV. Thats the only way it can happen.

[rehema]

45. Media Ignores Soundbites because..

Voter suppression is about African Americans.

[borealowl]

46. New York Times

I just read it online. Unless the print edition has something different, they do not even MENTION the hearings. I shot off an angry note to Okrent. I suggest that EVERYONE in this forum write to someone at the Times.

This is inexcusable. How can they possibly claim to be the "newspaper of record"? They are schizophrenic. They run over a dozen editorials before the election demanding election reform and pointing out the weaknesses in our system. Then it happens and they don't even begin to cover it. I guess the editorials are to keep their overwhelmingly Democratic leadership reading the paper. And what they choose to report as news - that's what Chomsky called "Managing Consent."

There must be a number of fed-up reporters at the New York Times. It's just unconscionable. I'd guess they've gotten a thousand letters to the editor comparing the Ukraine to Ohio. They haven't printed any.

What are they scared of? (And where is John Kerry?)

[Carolab]

47. What are they scared of?

Are you serious? People who don't do as they're told in this country get into mysterious plane crashes and get sent "ricin threats". My representative from Minnesota Betty McCollum sent an e-mail that said there was a "ricin scare" in DC and so they weren't spending at much time in their offices there. Did anyone else hear from their rep regarding a "ricin scare"? I'm thinking this is what Mark Dayton meant when he took his staff back to Minnesota early. I think they are threatening those who don't comply with RICIN. It's like the anthrax "scare" that targeted those who didn't play along--like Daschle, remember?

[NJCher]

48. here's what I wrote

I came to the NY Times today, fully expecting to be able to read an account of the hearings re Ohio vote fraud and I find nothing. Not one thing.

What on earth is going on in this country when the so-called newspaper of record does not cover something of this importance and magnitude?

Here is what I got back:

Thank you for your comments. Everything sent to this mailbox is read by either me or my associate, Arthur Bovino. If a further reply is appropriate, you will be hearing from us shortly.

Don't forget, when referring to a specific article please include its date, section and headline.

If you do not wish your message to be published or relayed to other editors and reporters, be sure to let us know.

-- Daniel Okrent
Public Editor


Cher

dash off a note to Okrent at: [e-mail]