Jeff Fisher... Jeff Fisher

[CornField]

why do I know that name?

[babylonsister]

1. football coach

[Stand and Fight]

2. Oh God...

He does look like a flake!!! Sounds like one!!!
Ugh... Tin-Foil hat anyone???

[ohio_liberal]

4. OH my....

I was afraid to say anything for fear of being flamed, but he looks crazy as hell.

[shance]

11. Its either dormant anger being released from not being listened to

fairly, and/or he's a little out there.

However, that does not dispute the fact that his information may in fact be valid.

[stirringstill]

41. He's our man

I agree. He would be the perfect conduit for any preemptive release of information by the Bush camp.

[leftchick]

17. he really did himself harm...

looky as nutty as a snickers bar. :crazy:

[regularjoe]

3. Are you being sarcastic?

Just checking.

regularjoe

[Pacifist Patriot]

5. LOL! He's coming across as wild-eyed. If he wanted to become a

U.S. Rep he should have shown up to the forum dressed like one. This is embarrassing.

OT: How are you doing? PM me.

[verdalaven]

9. Never judge a book by its cover

:tinfoilhat:

He just looked really ticked off!

[emulatorloo]

15. Dress for the job you want

seems like good advice to me.

[MoonRiver]

16. That was my take.

:wtf:

[SammyWinstonJack]

36. mine also

and who could blame him? :shrug:

[Mist]

24. That's how he looked to me

Intense and really pissed off. I agree he could have presented himself more calmly and "professionally," but don't think he actually looked like a flake.

[Pacifist Patriot]

32. I know that, but from an objective standpoint he would

probably have caught more flies, you know?

[Snivi Yllom]

68. He had a 'Howard Dean' moment

the difference is I think Howard Dean is 100% sane.

[propagandafreegal]

6. What is the website? I heard www.walkingfisher.com ??? nm

[rockedthevoteinMA]

10. website - it's his

www.walkingwithfisher.com

[eomer]

13. link

http://www.walkingwithfisher.com/

[housewolf]

64. http://jefffisherforcongress.com/

I heard him on a radio show recently - he's quite passionate about saying that he has absolute proof of fraud in the Florida elections and is quite frustrated and angry that he can't get anyone to pay attention to him.

[Catamount]

7. Jeff Fisher

Came out early alleging fraud in Florida

[stirringstill]

8. Fisher needs medication

How many Jeff Fisher derived posts have been discussed here. Jeff has some issues. Wow!

[rockedthevoteinMA]

14. well I don't know if I definitely believe what he's saying

but can you imagine being in his shoes if he really does have the info he says he has?

I know I would probably come across as looking pretty nutty too - especially after being ignored as it seems he has been.

[skids]

25. Ignored, and...

Worked up and down by the "Auditors" crew. Having them play with his head while he's dealing with stuff that could get his brake lines cut could not have helped him much. I really feel bad for him. I'm glad Barney Frank stepped in and soothed him.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

35. I missed Barney Frank!?

Did he say anything? That man rocks! I loved his commercials for his campaign.

I feel bad for him too - he's trying to save our democracy. Whether or not his story is true, he's been fighting this from the beginning. It has to be really frightening.

[skids]

56. He walked in at the end.

Just in time to provide Jeff with some motherly TLC.

Frank is da man. I mean he is totally just the shit. I'm so glad to have him on the MA team, even if he isn't my rep.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

59. Same here - Tierney is my rep, but we got some of his

campaign commercials up here before the election, and they were so cool. I have seen him before on CSPAN in action, and he is one who restores my faith that some of these guys really do fight for us, and listen to us.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

74. I felt terribly for him too

I hope that Conyers' offer to give him (Fisher) access to their lawyers will help him get his story out in a credible manner. I am about ready to pop myself from frustration and powerlessness. It must be infinitely worse to be in his situation.

[MoonRiver]

18. Yeah, I guess anybody who has the balls to speak truth to power needs meds

:eyes:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

30. He just seems to be exceptionally frustrated trying to get his story out.

No meds required for that..............

[PaulaGem]

12. Mr. Fisher probably takes this issue more personally and more emotionally

than most of us.

I think this is understandable.

[BamaBecky]

22. I agree n/t

[stirringstill]

39. Backing Off

I just came down a little hard on Fisher but he was acting a little psychotic. I'm not saying he is. I know he was worked up, nervous, scared etc. I remain intrigued by the Blass connection at any rate. He certainly looked a little different though than he does on his web site.

[pbartch]

71. Wouldn't you be royally pissed off if you had THE PROOF that vote fraud

occurred.........you gave REAMS of information to the FBI and other agencies and they did not act on it.

At least the Committee Chairman said "WE WANT THAT INFORMATION!!"

[skids]

19. And medical issues...

He's got some heart problems too, that can make you a bit jumpy.

[joeunderdog]

28. Looked like Lithium shakes to me. n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

34. I don't know. I shake when I'm really stirred up about something.

[seemslikeadream]

20. here

HOT!! Florida U.S. House Rep. says he has evidence of hacked voting.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=27340

[AmerDem]

29. He mentioned all of his evidence was on his site but

After looking through his site( granted briefly) there wasn't anything that stood out ( links etc. ) pointing us to this so called evidence.

The guy did come off as being nutty but I think alot of it was his nervous emotions getting the best of him.

[pipes]

21. Not a freeper but...

I think he did nobody justice with all that crazy stuff, he might want to take a cue from good ole bev, there is a way to go about getting things done and staying within the mainstream is a good way to keep it real....

Not that I don't agree with all of this fraud stuff but you still have to play the game at the same arena!

The hearing was awesome and hopefully somewhere in the MSM this will pick up steam!

[Straight Shooter]

23. Somebody give that man some media training, please

He gives me the heebee-jeebees, and I'm used to watching nervous witnesses.

Completely overstepped his bounds with Conyers. Oh, the horrors, that he was the last witness, this is what sticks with people.

Mr. Fisher, next time, read from a prepared statement.

[shance]

43. Agreed. To the average listener he looked disrespectful and overreactive

He definitely showed the importance of being prepared and calm.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

76. He implied that he had tried to gain their support in the past but

that the House had not listened to him, so we do not know what his previous experience has been with these guys...

[Twist_U_Up]

26. I you feared for your life ..........

you would want the world to know also.

he was freakin

[AmyCrat]

27. I just saw him (I'm a little behind because of pausing on TiVo)

and all I can say is... um... woah, he's passionate but a bit wacky looking.

[kk897]

49. I think he kept wanting to shout, "NO, YOU'RE OUT OF ORDER!"

a la Pacino.

[SueZhope]

31. Its actually a crying shame

It has been clear that Jeff is not very organized (his web site etc)
he is clearly not articulate and after seeing him on the TV
he looks a bit wacky.

however lets say his message is TRUE.....
how will the people hear him
with this kind of presentation?

[jaysunb]

33. He used to post here

a few years ago....passionat , but pushy.

[Amaya]

37. Who is that guy?

He didn't the cause any favors. Comb your hair and look presentable for Christ sakes!

[3smos]

38. wow - I'm a little surprised

at some of these comments on Jeff Fisher. Sorry, we can't all look and act as homogenized as is needed for some of you and for the MSM. We should be supportive to anyone who had the balls to show up. Of course he's going to look crazed!

[smartvoter]

40. Doesn't matter if he's got the goods if they're packaged like that.

I was staring at the TV yelling "Stop!" It was bad. No, it was awful.

[KoKo]

42. Jeff Fisher lost any credibility by his "performance" at the hearings.

He looked like he was waiting for his "audience" to applaud him looking over his shoulder for approval.. He looked insane and like a maniac. His eyes didn't blink and he was insulting to the panel.

This verifies what many of us originally thought when we checked him out after all that stuff he posted about the "Baypoint Boys" hacking.

It's a shame that sincere efforts get siderailed by people like that who
make us all look like crazy internet conpiracy theorists.

He was a terrible embarrassment to himself and all of us working so hard to expose election fraud. He will be used by the Right Wingers to discredit us...but maybe he's so embarrassing even "they" won't take the bait. :eyes:

[cyn2]

47. I thought Conyers did a good job trying to shut him down...

asap.

I agree with your observations completely.

[Zookeeper]

58. Yes, I also noticed that he appeared to be waiting....

for a reaction or applause after he spoke his name. I understand being very nervous in a situation like that, but he did come across as wacky. My first thought was, "THIS is the guy who will appear in the MSM's coverage of this hearing."

[eowyn_of_rohan]

75. I think you all are being too hard on him

Like many here have said, Fisher has been trying to get his story out for a LONG time, and no one is listening. I don't think he looked crazy, just very passionate and upset. I don't think it is a sign of weakness to let a little of that show now and then, in fact, I think stoicism is an overrated virtue

[WI_DEM]

44. isn't he some weirdo who ran for congress?

[RFSea]

45. Easy Folks

Agreed, he had a friend in Conyers, and Agreed he left a less than positive impression to those that would support his cause, or want to trample and smear his claims-

However, you cannot know exactly what it is like to be in another's shoes, so "He looked this way" or "He looked that way" is really not very appropriate at all-

Poor b@stard. I can say without shame, I LOOKED LIKE THAT, on Nov 3rd, and possibly many others reading this did; certifiable loon looking back at me in the mirror. My sister called it "Haunted" back in January '02, when I first began to learn the extent that is arBusto and Co

It is what this "Politics of Victimization" does, and who is to say, he isn't 100% a victim.
http://tinyurl.com/3oxde

Well that's my post.

Goodwill to all-

[Oilwellian]

48. I agree

I've noticed lately many DU'ers commenting on someone's looks. We laugh and ridicule this man because he was obviously nervous and upset. Have any of you ever spoken at a hearing like this? I can personally attest to the fact that it's VERY intimidating and your voice will raise at LEAST 2 octaves while you're speaking. It's so easy to sit at your computer and ridicule those who have the guts to stand up and speak out against corruption. Until you can put yourself in this man's shoes and experience the emotions he must be feeling, why don't you just stop these grade school insults? Grow the fuck up!

[myschkin]

51. I agree...

I would be very nervous...

[Straight Shooter]

62. I want to make it very clear I am not ridiculing the man

I am speaking as an objective observer, that he would better serve the cause he claims to represent as well as his own claims, if he would present himself in a manner which is media-friendly; which is to say, in the same manner as one would if they were testifying in court and desired to present themselves in the best light possible.

If a hard-core criminal can show up in court with a suit and tie and their hair combed, and speak slowly, considering that their freedom and life possibly are on the line, then Mr. Fisher can do the same.

If he's strung out from the pressure he's under, a visit to his physician for some anti-anxiety medication will do him wonders, or maybe he can visit a homeopath if he wants to use alternative medicine.

As it stands, his performance hurt him. And that's a shame.

[Minstrel Boy]

53. Let's stop feeding this man into the buzzsaw.

You know the buzzsaw?

Former CBS producer Kristina Borjesson describes it this way, in Into the Buzzsaw:

"The buzzsaw is a powerful system of censorship in this country that is revealed to those reporting on extremely sensitive stories, usually having to do with high-level government and/or corporate malfeasace. It often has a fatal effect on one's career."

She adds:

"Anyone who doesn't buy the government's unproven theory...is a 'conspiracy theorist'." And "tacitly attached to the term 'conspiracy theorist' are all kinds of other nouns and adjectives like 'goofball,' 'nutcake,' 'bottomfeeder,' 'crazy,' and so on. Using insulting and false labels to marginalize dissenting or politically incorrect voices is a ploy that government and corporations as well as the press use on a daily basis."

Borjesson is talking about America's corporate media, but she may as well be talking about the "alternative" media, and DU, somedays.

Let's not be our own bloody buzzsaw.

[Zookeeper]

61. The other speakers were also dissenting...

and I don't know that their messages were any less inflammatory. The difference is that Jeff Fischer came across as having some genuine mental health issues. We can defend his right to be freaked out, scared or crazy all we want on this forum, unfortunately, the RW will use him as the face of the rest of us, "crazy conspiracy theorists."

We're playing with BushCo. We don't have the luxury of being sensitive.

In general, though, I take your point.

[Pacifist Patriot]

65. I agree.

I understand too, but we have to be realistic and recognize that Joe Q. Public is not going to be as knowledgable or aware. If they get anything they are going to get snippets and we need to make sure those snippets are not detrimental to the cause. Too many people are completely unaware of flaws in the voting system. I know, I had Thanksgiving dinner with twenty of them. As much as I feel for Jeff Fisher and truly hope his case is given the attention it deserves, I cannot help but look at his performance through my relatives' eyes. His appearance would turn them off in a heartbeat and absolutely convince them there is nothing wrong with our system.

[KoKo]

69. MB, I did some Googling on Fisher when his "story" first was out here

on DU. What I found about him didn't lead me to think he was credible.
His campaign website with his Bio on it sounded just plain weird. Other Googling about the folks he mentioned in his Bay Point Boys story, the hostage, etc...sounded really OTT.

I've always been a DU "tinfoiler." But, Fisher's weak bio, the Googling on some of his statements and his performance today make even this dedicated "tinfoiler" run as fast as I can away from anything he says or writes.

I think focusing any more attention on his story does take away from the real story of what happened in Ohio. I don't say this lightly because I don't like DU'ers censuring other DU'ers...but Jeff Fisher had his time on DU and many of us who saw him at that hearing today have to feel that his credibility had it's last gasp there.

His story is out and folks here know about it. I just wonder that we should keep pumping his credibility unless he has something that's new and verifiable. He didn't even bring a statement with him today that Conyers could put into the record. He raves about FBI and hearing not wanting to listen to him, but it seemed Conyers had given him more than enough credibility by saying he knew what he was talking about and had put it in his letter...So why did Fischer try to pull a stunt looking like a "psycho." Lots of people at that hearing were very upset but only Fischer looked like he was on some weird drugs. I don't buy that he looked nutty because he's being hounded or stalked or threatened. He may "believe that" but it doesn't make it true.

Sorry...this tinfoiler doesn't buy that Fischer is someone to waste energy over when so much else out there that isn't being pushed by folks with such a weak background as Fisher has. :shrug:

[Pacifist Patriot]

63. Fine line

I don't fault anyone for being tongue tied and nervous as hell in a congressional forum, but other private citizens seemed to do better than others. I don't think it is bashing someone on looks to comment that he did not do a top notch job with his presentation. Whether we think it fair or not, appearances do matter and they do make a difference. If he wants to be taken seriously as a viable candidate for national office than he needs to be able to handle himself in a congressional forum. Let's not forget he imagined himself capable of taking a seat on the other side of the table. I would have liked to have seen some of that. As it is, I can see people shrugging and says, "well no wonder he lost the election, who does he think he's kidding?" based on his looks. Fair? No. Realistic? Yes.

[mirrera]

46. He was definitely freaked and FRUSTRATED

I know nothing about whether his allegations are true, but I do know that the Collier Brothers in their book Vote Scam, presented CLEAR evidence of fraud to the FBI and nothing was done. They had video taped evidence, and more, and the catch 22 was no one would cover it, and because no one would cover it, it had no illegitimacy. They got VERY frustrated because they kept following protocol all the way up to the Justice department and still nothing happened. If Jeff Fischer is getting the same treatment he would have plenty of reasons to freak out. Hopefully Conyers will give him his meeting.

[EndElectoral]

50. I fear people are basing their perceptions on Fisher by the way he "looks"

[DemBones DemBones]

52. Anyone who doesn't think appearance is important

hasn't paid attention to the careful scripting and stage managing of politicians.

Appearance matters.

Life is unfair.

[DemonFighterLives]

54. I don't know his whole story

From watching the hearing, he looked scared and very excited. He also had a shake or trembling just before he started. It sounded as though he thought the FBI was stonewalling him. Possible, I'm sure.
Conyers wanted to get to him before the time was up. I don't think Conyers knew that Jeff was going to act up, but I hope the FBI trail is picked up.

[KoKo]

77. Do a "Google" on him...Check out his Website where he was running

for Congress...read and read about him...then come back...Make up your own mind...but check him out if you question him...

Information is our Friend...:shrug: An "informed" public is an "armed public..." whatever.......

[3smos]

55. exactly!

We should all walk around looking as "crazed" as him, and maybe someone would notice! Who cares if his hair was combed - jeezz. Only someone who showed up for the forum has the right to criticize anyone there. And Conyers did the best he could , he knew he had a limited window on his tv time.

[skids]

57. LOL. Yeah. Crazed and armed. That would do it n/t.

[Carolab]

60. Poor bastard

Have a little pity for the guy. He's being pushed over the edge.

[klebean]

66. it would be good to hear from someone at the forum

who was able to spend some time w/Fisher.

I thought the majority of those in line who asked questions and made statements
looked, in the least, nervous. The guy who requested help w/follow up on fraud
allegations he filed with the FBI looked like he was close to tears.

I consider myself a pretty balanced person, but since Nov 2, I have become obsessive
about our state of democracy in the hands of partisan private corporate thugs. My
emotions are just below the surface and I frequently find myself close to angry tears
when I am reminded of instances of injustice to voters.

And i am just sitting here in the comfort of my home watching, reading and donating.

I've appeared on television news over causes dear to me and managed to come off OK.
But, at this passionate moment in political history, had I evidence of fraud yet were unable
to get any serious investigators interested, I might look as wild-eyed and near frantic as
Fisher and the other guy (Povich?). I hope Coyner's et al will address the concerns both
these men have w/regard to their dealings w/the FBI.

[Alizaryn]

67. Conyer's promised him a lawyer to listen to him.

[progressoid]

70. Even if his story pans out and he's the savior of the election, a lot of

people are going to question him because of his actions. Gotta admit, he was a little wacky. Freepers, rush, etc will point to him and say, "This is where you got the proof?"

[BlueOhio]

72. I think

Alot of the people that had the chance to stand up and talk, were probably a freaked and relieved that someone finally wanted to listen to them, i've been there, having so much to say but no one wanted to listen, and when someone finally does listen you tend to come off sounding a little manic... its ok, just chill and work on the presentation.


:bounce:

[EFerrari]

73. If a person like Jeff can step up to the plate

what is everyone else waiting for?

Yes, they'll try to label him "crazy" just like they tried to label us all "internet wackjobs".

So, counter the strategy because that's all it is, a strategy.