Blood-boiling ANGRY!!!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

[dmac]

I just received in today's mail the most offensive piece of mail I think I have EVER received. The return address on the envelope has "Vote-Race" as the sender and then a POB. I opened this and enclosed is a single sheet of paper with the following typed in red:


DONATIONS to TERRY "the jerk" McAULIFFE: $ xxxxx.

DONATIONS to LOSING DEMOCRAT CANDIDATES: $ xxxx.

ELECTION DAY RESULTS: PRICELESS


and then there is a large sign like I have seen as bumper stickers: black background, with a huge white W and beside it the words:


Still
THE PRESIDENT
(underlined in red and then the date,)
NOVEMBER 2, 2004

Man! What class, huh? Not to mention, what AUDACITY! given that their candidate didn't even WIN damn it! Instead of "may the best man win" the theme should have been "the best thief will win". I would give anything to know who sent this just so I could engage them in a battle of the truths - though why, I do not know, since these people wouldn't know the truth if it bit them on the a** if it says something negative about GWB.

Anyone else receive anything like this?!?!?!? :mad: :mad: :mad:

[EMunster]

1. that is odd...did it seem a mass mailing...they'd spend the money? eom

[noamnety]

2. were the xxx's the amount you personally donated?

That would be creepy if they were tracking you personally.

If it was generic, well, people are morans. Don't let it get to you.

Either way, the person who sent it has issues.

[dmac]

18. Oh no - the x's were definitely the precise amounts I donated

to the DNC (thus McAuliffe) and various other Dem candidates, including Kerry of course.

[jsascj]

29. OMG...that's too creepy!

[smartvoter]

41. You can figure this out!

You can't have told many people how much you donated. Make a list.

[smartvoter]

42. Never mind. Fundrace is probably the answer. nt

[Griffy]

37. Relax... its easy to get funding info.. go to..

www.fundrace.org see your neighbors donations

[shuffnew]

61. hmmm. mine don't show up on that link at all, but

this is an interesting site. Thanks for the link. Makes me wonder though why mine is not showing when I made several DNC donations.

[liberalnurse]

82. Only one of mine from does....from the Primaries.

Nothing for 2004......:cry:

[Buddyblazon]

84. I searched John Kerry...

and of course THE John Kerry was on there.

But interestingly enough all 4 of the OTHER John Kerry's donated to...........you guessed it John Kerry.

Hmmmm...I wonder why? ;)

[crispini]

3. WTF?

Were those YOUR personal donation numbers, the amounts you contributed? Was it bulk mail or did it look more personal?

That's pretty fecking funny, actually. (Although I understand why you are mad.) But what a waste of postage, just to piss you off.

[meganmonkey]

4. It had the amounts you donated?

As in, they sent it specifically to Dem supporters? How completely f*cked up!

[mod mom]

5. focus your anger on removing the repugs

we all know they are liars, evil, crass, lack in morality, hypocrites, ...shall I go on. Let's keep on fighting to expose their theft of an election.

[buff2]

6. These idiots are really proud

of supporting the most evil, hated, non-elected moron on the planet. They are all asswipes with NO working brains. Burn it ASAP.

[SueZhope]

7. Thats some sick

scary, creepy, crap
Sounds like the freepers are sending mail
How did they find you?

[muse]

20. You can find this info online.

Here's one site:
http://www.fundrace.org./neighbors.php

[dmac]

34. Fund-Race! That's it!

I couldn't remember exactly what was in that corner but that was exactly what it was. How did you find this? And does this mean that someone I know sent this? Now I feel sick to my stomach. I think I would rather the Repubs be targeting all Dem contributors rather than think that someone I KNOW would go in and search to find who I supported and for how much, and then to send something so inflammatory.

I wonder sometimes if we will ever be able to really build bridges back to the other side. I have dear friends and family members that are firmly on Conservative turf - and we have all resolved not to discuss politics because it gets too personal and damaging to our relationships. I am finding this painful now. I liked it better when I was just mad.

Posters, please let me know if any of you get one of these. Then I will go back to just being angry.

[NVMojo]

38. this has got to be the most personally evil thing a person could

do to someone. I can't imagine being so personally arrogant to mail something like that to my neighbors. Repigs really are possessed....

[thanatonautos]

36. Interesting ... they say I gave $250 to the DNC

but it's not accurate, I gave more like $1200 if I
add up all the separate contributions I made.

I wonder where they're getting the numbers from?

How sick do you have to be to send out a letter of
that sort?

If it could possibly be traced to a specific source,
I would be highly inclined to do so, and make the
names of those who are doing it public.

Maybe someone can start up a website to collect reports
of this sort?

[dmac]

43. They didn't have all of mine correct either

but it was too close for comfort. I don't know how I feel about that being public info but I guess it has to be. The only ones who have anonymity are the ones who give under a corporate name or something? (though that doesn't sound quite legal so I am probably wrong about that)

[thanatonautos]

51. OK, so it sounds like they probably did get your info

from this site, then, if your contributions weren't
quite right.

On the anonymity question, I think individual contributions
to parties can be anonymous up to some cutoff point (although
I might be wrong about that, I'm not a lawyer). I'll try to
check it out.

I'm guessing that the cutoff is near $250 as a lump sum,
since I see a lot of my neighbours listed there with $250
contributions ... and I didn't know it. We seem to be
a bit more blue here than I thought :)

Corporate contributions definitely have to be declared,
I think.

If I were you, I'ld definitely see if the PO can help
on the source of the mailing. These are first class jerks.

[dmac]

58. Lucky, lucky you. Count your blessings!

It is red, red, red where I am. And lonely most of the time.

[thanatonautos]

65. Sorry to hear about the crimson tide you have to put up with.

Here is a link to the FEC site, where you can also look up your contribution.

This one agrees with the fundrace.com information on me.

This is a PDF of the federal campaign finance law, from the same site.

The relevant section for keeping records of individual
contributions seems to be 2 USC 432 (c) (1-3), which you can
find on page 28. It seems to say that records of names
and addresses of contributors have to be kept for
contributions above $50, and identifications and dates
for contributions above $250.

So I'm still a bit confused as to where public disclosure
requirements actually set in. But it seems the DNC thinks
it sets in at $250.

Try to keep on smiling :)

[bemis12]

8. It's gotta be someone you know

Maybe someone you argued with, pre-election.

No way there's a Repug mass mailing just to say "Ha! Ha!"

[ClarkUSA]

12. Have the last laugh...send it to Keith Olbermann via certified snailmail

and have him show millions of viewers what moral values it took to do a mass-mailing like that and have MSNBC do a follow-up. That ought to thrill
parent company GE, one of Bush/Cheney's top 25 contributors.

Don't get mad, get even!:smoke:

[dmac]

19. What an interesting thought! n/t

[bunny planet]

80. Good idea!

[Downtown Hound]

9. Don't give them the satisfaction of getting mad

Toss it in the trash, burn it in the fireplace, do what you got to do, and then go about your day working against these pricks. Getting you mad is exactly what they're hoping for. If you laugh it off and treat it as the pathetic stunt it is, then they've failed.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

21. Take it to the cops....it's evidence

give photocopies to the media!!!! hand them out to your neighbors (black out the numbers) they'll watch your house for you. dna when they licked the stamp!! get em with science - they hate that!

}(

[dmac]

44. DNA - LOL

Definitely feeling better. Thanks.

[mattclearing]

10. Don't get mad, get even.

Give it to your local media. Let them make a stink about it.

I think you'd have an even shot of getting some coverage.

[Merlot]

11. "Refused. Return to Sender"

If you saved the envelope. It's annoying to the sender because the sender must pay the postage twice, and throw away the junk mail.

[ClarkUSA]

13. Nah, the ultimate is to have Keith Olbermann mock it in front of millions

of viewers + investigate/trace the sender and/or simply provide bad PR for what holier-than-thou freepers are capable of.

[AuntieM1957]

14. After you return it to them send them a nice card

telling them that you've made a donation to the liberal cause of your choice in their name. Be very polite. It confuses them.

ACLU really annoys the repugs...

They practically spit themselves into a stroke.


but you, take it easy, they're just fools who know not what they do.

OH, then use the card to line your cat box. I like to layer mine with a nice layer of junk mail before I pour in the litter. Right wing propaganda suits a cat box nicely.

[mattclearing]

15. Actually, the ACLU is starting to get bi-partisan approval.

The Patriot Act saw to that.

[dmac]

45. "They practically spit themselves into a stroke"

Hilarious. Thanks - the imagery on that definitely helps.

[Kurovski]

16. Return address? Nothing?

Hmmm...

Someone nit-wit just made it up on their own. The "parody" of the credit card ad doesn't even make any real sense as a joke.

Why get bent out of shape by slam mail from a bounder?

Why give some empty-headed schmuck the satisfaction?

[TexasChick]

17. Give them the updates to the Plame case and put in red:

Leaked a CIA agent, Valerie Plame: Satan Cheney

Prosecutor Fitzgerald's case: currently questioning KKKarl Rove and Judith Miller

Chimpeachment hearings: PRICELESS



Just a thought...give them something that makes them equally mad.

[dmac]

48. Very clever

And I think I am really going to do this. It may come back if they used a false POB but it is worth a try.

[TexasChick]

54. Go for it, dmac! Get them equally mad! Nothing makes these

Repuketards madder than us reminding them what criminals these asshats are in the WH! Let us know if you get a reply!

[shuffnew]

62. Could be some type of mail fraud... ask the PO of any recourse n/t

[merh]

22. Report it to the FEC -

Turn the shits in to the FEC and let them look into whether or not the RNC or the GWB campaign paid for that! If it is a bulk mailing via a mailing meter, there is a number that is at the bottom of the postage mark. The number is assigned to the owner and the Post Office can track it back to them. Also report it to the post office for kicks and giggles.

Don't sit back and take the abuse, stir the gumbo and get things moving!

[KansDem]

23. The next thing you know these people will be wearing bandaids...

in an attempt to ridicule a combat veteran and war hero...

Oh, wait! They already did that!

[Eric J in MN]

24. My advice

Go to a "Democracy for America" meetup.

You'll feel better after spending time with other Democrats.

http://dfa.meetup.com/

[NY lib NY]

25. If you're mad and live in NYC...

please come to the rally on Saturday in Times Square. I'll be there with some of my friends and may get it covered for Newsmax.com. Get more information at www.redhandsmovement.com .

[NY lib NY]

26. If you're mad and live in NYC...

please come to the rally on Saturday in Times Square. I'll be there with some of my friends and may get it covered for Newsmax.com. Get more information at www.redhandsmovement.com .

[MominTN]

32. looks like protests in many states

at www.redhandsmovement.com
It's about time!!!
Where have the protesters been? Where are the college kids?

[jsascj]

27. No but thanks for the thumbs up

If I DO get one...I'll refuse it and put it back in the box.

They can have their crap right back.

[googly]

28. Are you married? Could it be your spouse playing a joke on you?

How else would they know the EXACT amounts you donated?
Freaky!!

[dmac]

31. Yes, I am married and no,

my spouse would never do something like this as a "joke" because he knows I take all of this way too seriously as it is. He did, however, explain to me a while ago how someone "accessed" my contributions. Did you know that everything you give to any political party or candidate is posted on a WEB site, called Open Secrets? Wow. And he definitely thinks that someone in the party may be going through the list and sending these to people who contributed to Dem's. So if any of you made contributions, go to the site and see if you are posted - and I guess if you are, expect the same. At least you will be forewarned. I am less freaked out now that I know where the data came from but still!!!!

[dissenting crone]

35. Just found the link here

http://www.opensecrets.org/

[Blue Diadem]

30. Have you called the post office/post master

of the return address city? They might be able to give you a name behind that POB.

[Griffy]

33. All part of their plan.. so we give up.. NOT gonna happen! n/t

[dmac]

40. After reading through

all of your responses I feel much better and I am even smiling at the thought of some of the more vengeful suggestions. I will definitely try to follow up with the post office if it was metered (I haven't gone upstairs to check). Thanks for cheering me up AND calming me down. :pals:

Some mentioned in a post above about the red hands protests. Thanks for the tip. Sorry to say I am not in NYC but I am going to the link posted to see if any will be in my red-neck of the woods.

[lwesty]

39. we received a death threat

in the mail in response to rather large signs we put on our lawn(in the run up to the war w/Iraq)of * with duct tape over his mouth and drop * not bombs. The person threatened to throw something through our window and drag my husband to the river to drown him. The police said to bring it to the post office and the post office said they needed a police report. Scary people out there. Testimony to the kind of person Bush inspires.

[idealista]

46. What was the return address?

Why don't you post that return address here? Maybe someone here would like to send a reply on your behalf. People here are so thoughtful and creative.

[dmac]

57. Going in search of envelope -

feel free to send cards with your own thoughtful messages on my behalf. Great idea.

[dmac]

64. Envelope in hand and here are the details:

Hand written, block print addresses, not metered, postmarked North Metro GA 30026, PM 07 Dec 2004.

Return Address: Fund-Race
POB 2004
Atlanta, GA 30318

[dmac]

66. One last post

I am a bit freaked out again. I went out to the Open Secrets site and when the page opened it occurred to me: My husband's name is right there where mine is, if the search was done by last name, or if someone was just going down the list. Since his donations are listed separately from mine, I do not understand why if this was a mass-mailing he wouldn't have received one as well?

Then I remembered an incident from a couple of weeks ago, when I received an I-M from an unfamiliar screen name. "u there?" Normally I do not respond to I-M's or emails if I do not know the sender, but I had recently had some communication with the Green party, re: Ohio recount, and I had gotten several emails with unfamiliar addresses that were legitimate. Also my niece frequently changes her screen name and usually begins with that exact message, written like that. So I answered.

Well, it was a Repub(some of you would call freeper?) who had been lurking around the DU site,had gone out to my profile (I didn't know this was possible!), gotten my AIM info and sent me the message. They tried to engage me in "discussion" about why I thought the election was fraud. Having taken DU warnings about dialog with this type of individual seriously, I was nice but told them I didn't want to have a conversation/argument with someone I don't know about a topic I care deeply about. She (?)continued to ping me with taunts/questions/statements. I finally wished her well and said goodnight. She pointed out to me if I didn't want to have conversations with strangers I probably shouldn't have listed my AIM info in my profile. I definitely agreed, thanked her, and then I blocked her on my Buddy list because I couldn't find my way back to the profile to change it.

Sorry this is longer than it needs to be but I am tired and having a hard time with articulation tonight. The bottom line is, I am sure these events are unrelated but I can't help but wonder if I have stupidly opened myself up in some way because I have been very free with my in several different forums - all political. If so, how do I become anonymous again?

And if the mailing isn't related to any of my net activity, that means it likely comes from someone I know and I just can't believe anyone I know would do something so mean-spirited. Sure some people may find something like this jest, but I can assure you anyone who has had any political discourse with me over the last couple of years, knows I lost my sense of humor (on this topic) a long time ago.

I guess there is nothing to do but take a few of the clever suggestions posted tonight, laugh, and forget about it. Hard, but possible.

Anyway, thanks for all of the support tonight. It was nice to talk to people who relate instead of patronize or ignore for a change. Have a good night all - these late nights and early mornings and LONG days are killing me. Goodnight.

[thanatonautos]

68. Breathe deeply and slowly, and get a good night's sleep :)

I am a bit freaked out again. I went out to the Open Secrets site and when the page opened it occurred to me: My husband's name is right there where mine is, if the search was done by last name, or if someone was just going down the list. Since his donations are listed separately from mine, I do not understand why if this was a mass-mailing he wouldn't have received one as well?

Well, for example, your husband's name might be listed after
yours at the site? Seeing that your last names and address
are the same, they might have just picked one of you.

So I wouldn't rule out yet that it's completely impersonal, that
they simply got your info off of the net.

You can't be sure it isn't someone you know, of
course, but I'ld think, unless you remember a very nasty
confrontation with someone, that it's unlikely many people
who met you would go to this kind of length.

And any person who would go to this kind of length is a
coward ... I mean, why not just gloat in person?

You can't become anonymous again, unfortunately.
But taking part in the political process is still
something to be proud of in this country.

Above all, don't let yourself be intimidated!

[dmac]

52. OMG! You have to be kidding?!

that is TERRIBLE! It is hard to believe the law enforcement wasn't more bothered than you convey. Maybe they are W supporters too?

I have wondered about that. I have met several Policemen/Firemen (or women) and they also seem to support W. WHY?! Look at what the tax cuts have done to the states, leaving the state governments nothing to do but cut programs - of which this group is usually profoundly affected! - or raise state taxes (and still cut programs). I will never understand the logic (or lack thereof) of Bush voters - period.

Did you (or the police) figure out where your threat came from? do you wonder if it had been the reverse, a Dem harassing or threatening a Rep, if they would have gotten the same response?

Unbelievable tale. I think I will take mail in poor taste over what you experienced any day.

[rigel99]

47. SOME GOOD NEWS FROM RNC INSIDER - DEAN HEAD OF DNC

.... newsbreak just in...
friend from the RNC (not many of those but I have to catch up on THEIR gossip), they had 3 really good things in last nationwide phone call to RNC insiders ( trust this info. as you see fit, consider the vile source)....
1. Howard Dean is ALREADY Head of DNC WEEEEE, This makes me very happy.
2. Condi Rice will be their Pres. candidate if Hillary runs for Pres. (McCain not putting his hat in ring, and they're not sure if Guiliani has play outside NY)
3. Washington GOV goes to Democrat Christine Gregoire (D) WOOHOOO more good news..

So basically in one day I find out
a. I have my democratic party back by a stong leader , Dean
b. Condi does not have play outside washington and will guarantee a 2008 democratic victory regardless of who wins
c. The system works when you fund it and start causing unrest around elections ballot counting and fighting back!

.. just wanted to send out some good news... my friend is neighbors with Dino Rossi (R) of WA and that's his source for how it's playing out... expecting riots in streets etc...

[dmac]

55. thanks for the info

but my experience is sometimes even the political insiders get it wrong (talked to many who were CERTAIN Dean would be the Dem cand, just as one example). Anyway, the point here is, 2008 is far, far away and whether today they say Hillary will run (not sure how I feel about that) or Condi will run (what happened to promoting Jeb???), this will change 1000 times between now and 2008. I am not ready to get on that merry-go-round until this one stops moving. And it looks like the vote fraud is going to go on and on and on. . .

[idealista]

49. Oops! the post re: retrn addrs wasn't meant for death threat

[jhgatiss]

50. I want a bumper sticker that says

W
Still an IDIOT
November 2, 2004

[dmac]

56. Now that's a GREAT one.

If we print them, will they sell? No doubt. Ha.

[bunny planet]

81. I'll take a dozen.

[genieroze]

53. Post the header. eom

[dmac]

60. What does this mean?

Sorry it is late and I just don't know what you mean by this. Thanks.

[genieroze]

63. The header

here I'll give an example, I edited it to protect my e-mail with XXXXXX. Your e-mail client should have a show all headers command

Return-Path: <[e-mail]>
Received: from wood.lyris.net (<192.168.1.4>) by mta003.XXXXX.net
(InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP
id <[e-mail]>
for <[e-mail]>; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:17:09 -0600
Received: from wood.lyris.net (66.160.177.29) by sc013pub.XXXXXX.net (MailPass SMTP server v1.1.1 - 121803235448JY) with SMTP id <1-11409-38-11409-131390-15-1100924211> for mta003.XXXXXX.net; Fri, 19 Nov 2004 22:17:09 -0600
X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0
Message-Id: <LYRIS-1097399-3682099-2004.11.19-20.00.02--XXXXXXX#[e-mail]>
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:00:00 -0700
To: [e-mail]
From: This is True <[e-mail]>
Subject: THIS is TRUE for 14 November
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:[e-mail]>
Reply-To: Don't Mail Here! See Bottom of Message <[e-mail]>

If I ping/backtrace
66.160.177.29

Hurricane Electric HURRICANE-7 (NET-66-160-128-0-1)
66.160.128.0 - 66.160.207.255
Lyris Technologies HURRICANE-DC0190-492 (NET-66-160-177-0-1)
66.160.177.0 - 66.160.177.255

ARIN WHOIS database, last updated 2004-12-08 19:10
Enter ? for additional hints on searching ARIN's WHOIS data

[dmac]

67. Whoa! you are WAY smarter than me

but I will look at this again in the morning when I am not totally bleary eyed. Thanks for the help - a lot.

[genieroze]

71. Find their ISP

Then sign a complaint for violating the TOS (terms of service) for SPAM and solicitation. Unless they are using a anon remailer, then you are out of luck.

[dmac]

72. I think you do not understand . . .

I received this snail mail - not email. Therefore I can't get there ISP.

[genieroze]

74. Oh duh, sorry.

Tell the post office? If the letter wasn't personally threatening I don't think you can do anything. Didn't have a return address? Let me guess it was Bulk Rate. What a waste of a stamp. I'm so used to e-mail.

[3 DanO]

59. There's got to be something its good for

Still the president ?

[Red State Blues]

69. Remember

Yes, the letter would piss me off too, BUT:

A group of people who would:

a. Extend the length of the Viet Nam war in order to win an election.

b. Extend the length of time that US hostages would stay in Iran in order to win an election.

c. Steal the last two elections.

d. Support murderers and whack-jobs around the planet for essentially greed.

e. Do as little as possible during the 80's to fight the AIDS epidemic.

f. Rob the poor and give to the rich.

Probably should not surprise you when they show a bit of poor taste.

[latteromden]

70. They REALLY want us to believe this stuff, don't they?

Thankfully, I didn't get one of these, because I never had any money to donate. I DID get my George W. Bush calendar the other day though. Why do I need propaganda AFTER the election? And why would I EVER want an RNC calendar? x_x

[UVASAM1]

73. cmon

sounds like somebody you know is playing a joke on you

[LiberalUprising]

75. I got kinda the same thing

Snail mail, addressed to me, block lettering, no return addy, postmarked 2 SUBURBAN MD P&DC 208 02 Dec 2004.

Stamped and canceled

The card itself says on front 'In Sympathy'

Inside card
'May the special Democratic (handwritten in block lettering)
memories always live in your heart to help you find comfort and peace

Thinking of you

George W.
&
Dick' (handwritten in cursive)

I know no one in or around Maryland and did not donate to any political party.

A we know where you live notice?

[GreenPartyVoter]

78. Eek.. this is out of control

[LiberalAndProud]

76. It's not enough to supress the Democratic vote. Now they attempt to

supress Democratic campaign contributions. Scarier and scarier.

[GreenPartyVoter]

77. Report it to the P.O. that you received a harassing letter

[bunny planet]

79. That is sooooooooo creepy. This has to be someone who got your donation

numbers from Fundrace.org or whatever that site is where you can type in a zip and get everyone's political donations and their address. There are two or more such sites on the internets. It would be interesting to see if this is a mass mailing. Sounds like actionable intimidation or harrassment to me. Maybe the same assholes who sent out the Dems want to ban the bible pamphlet. :grr:

[blueokie]

83. tee hee hee

So I looked up Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. Even daddy bush and momma bush. hmmmm we need to send a thank you card to the lady at their address that donated to the DNC!