a NEW idea . . . that we have slaughtered . .

[hijinx87]

can we POSSIBLY get beyond the last election? We should be concentrating our efforts on 2006 and 2008.

2004 is in the past.

CAN I GET AN AMEN HERE!?!?

[New Earth]

1. OMGLOLOMGLOLOMGLOLOMGLOL

NO.

[TruthIsAll]

70. DON'T WASTE A SECOND WITH THIS ONE

.

[jamboi]

77. See the poll I did and you'll see that not many think the way you do.

[IAMREALITY]

2. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Nope

[hijinx87]

15. good to see you again . . .

but in the final analysis, they WON. this whole thing is about the application of resources. {p}
and I believe that our resources would be better spent trying to figure out WHY we lost.

[shraby]

19. Did you ever hear the words ELECTION FRAUD?

If not, read up on it because THAT is why we lost, nothing more, nothing less.

[New Earth]

20. LOL

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'RE DOING, THANKS.

[IAMREALITY]

22. Are You From The Future?

Cause you say final analysis.

Problem is there has not yet been a final analysis, and won't come for a bit yet.

So either you're from the future :shrug: or need better facts.

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[ValleyGirl]

56. This forum is called "2004 Election Results & Discussion"

Last I checked. :donut:

[Fiendish Thingy]

61. there's a big difference between "losing" and being robbed n/t

[Time for change]

80. Exactly

And that's why so many people are trying to get to the bottom of this election fraud -- to figure out why we lost.

[k8conant]

110. Why "we" lost? Republican fraud and incompetence

The best way to perpetuate fraud and incompetence is to deny that it ever happened: make sure that people think that anyone who points it out is trying to pull a fraud of his own.

"You were defrauded? Get over it." That's when Bush and company say.

"We'll investigate this after Bush's inauguration" That's what Rep. Ney (R-OH) says to try to stop investigation now.

How will we be made whole if this continues and Bush is sworn in again?

[Alizaryn]

3. Not till its over.

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[senseandsensibility]

33. Amen to THAT!!

LOL

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[Cronus Protagonist]

71. Amen to that too

http://brainbuttons.com/home.asp?stashid=13
Buttons for brainy people - educate your local freepers today!

[libertypirate]

5. ahhhh --> Not paying attention...

No!

[DireStrike]

6. I will move on

When all reasonable claims of election fraud have been explained, and the only avenue left is to put into office who will act for total transparency and accountability in the voting process. And against disenfranchisement.

These are the key issues now.

[hootinholler]

67. I can't wait to get a freep account to go say

Your boy cheated and got caught, get over it.

[alittlelark]

7. uh, yeah I wish to avoid the 4th Reich myself.....you?

[caligirl]

8. I need FAITH in my democracy first. But you go on.

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[Kellis]

14. AMEN

to that :toast:


Welcome to DU Democrat Dragon

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[New Earth]

25. It has nothing to with post count

it has to do with words, and while we're at it, in case anyone forgets - calling noobs 'trolls' is being moderated closely and posts could be deleted.

(then can we call them gremlins?)

[TruthIsAll]

72. OF COURSE NOT. ITS JUST A COINCIDENCE.

.

[Old Mouse]

10. never

Overturning this election must remain our top priority.

This administration is going to dedicate all of its power to a more permanent solution to public will than merely controlling the vote. We do not have the luxury of waiting until 2006.

[Viktor Runeberg]

11. Yeah

If we make a stink about possibly hacked voting machines and rampant voter suppression, that'll really screw us up next time because if we don't lose we can't be the victims, and being victims is really what we want. And we might not lose if the voting machines aren't hacked and everyone can vote who tries to.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

12. There won't be a next time. Bush has everything in place to make

America, Amerika. Please wake-up and see what he's doing.

[fshrink]

13. I don't even think we should get beyond 2000.

This will have to come to public scrutiny, and sanction, some day. If it doesn't, it's the principle of accountability, already very ill, which is "slaughtered". You sound like a gambler who swears the fat lady is gonna sing next time. Well, she has finished her song.

[SueZhope]

16. OOOPS wrong room

they are having that chat over at this part of DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=108

[zeemike]

92. I will ad my voice to the NO WAY

[pointsoflight]

17. If that's your view, then don't come to the 2004 election thread.

Pretty simple, really.

[GetTheRightVote]

23. What !! You are kidding of course. are we going to move on for ever,

no way, no how, until the lawyers are finished fighting the good fight will I ever think about it, in fact I will keep on fighting until our vote matters to others as much as it does to us.

[fshrink]

44. "Rejoice, rejoice, you have no choice, but to carry on..." (CSNY)

[jsamuel]

18. Sorry, NO

http://RedHandsMovement.com

[politicasista]

24. No Amen from me!

I will not move on until Smirky is out of office period.

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[ClintCooper2003]

27. 2006 is very far away. Fraud happened. There is no doubt.

[hijinx87]

32. of course, we should be more vigilant . . .

but we are NOT gonna beat their system. and their system says that THEY won.

I recommend other measures.

[IAMREALITY]

35. Actually,

You say you recommend other measures, but damned if I see any recommendation. Maybe you forgot to type it? :shrug:

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[New Earth]

38. can you say that again

in plain English?

[IAMREALITY]

40. Faye

You reached 1000+ today too?

:yourock:

:toast:

[New Earth]

45. yup, we rule

:toast: :smoke:

[jsamuel]

39. Nice, really nice

[sympa]

50. ugh...is this a bar fight now?

if you believe that we ought to be focused on 2006 and 2008 than no offense, but this forum is called 2004 Election Results and Discussion and so perhaps your ideas for reform belong in the GD or something?

When you make comments like that, it feels as if you started this thread not for productive discussion, but to push some buttons.
By no means do i think you're a troll or freeper, but it seems that you're sick of seeing so much attention on the vote fraud issue. in light of that, perhaps participate in a productive discussion as opposed to one which attempts to trivialize the efforts on this forum. there are other people who believe what you believe and would be more than happy to talk to you about future elections and the direction of the DNC.

just a polite suggestion.

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[New Earth]

46. LOL

that has nothing to do with anything either. i've been here for less than a month, have over 1000 posts......it all means nothing.

[New Earth]

47. how bout this

i'll get over the 2004 election when the Repulicans admit it was FRAUDULENT.

[IAMREALITY]

51. There Ya Go Faye! LOL

[IAMREALITY]

49. Ummm

Not sure who 'we' is, not sure why you are calling out my post count for any reason since it isn't within any context, and not sure if the post I'm replying to will even exist upon my next refresh.

[New Earth]

52. OK, SHH, he's gone

w00t and we all did a really good without saying the "F" word!






(fr**per)

[IAMREALITY]

54. Wow These Mods Are Incredible!

I was only kinda half joking when I said it probably wouldn't even last to my next refresh, and poof! Already gone! These Mods of DU really deserve a pat on the back from all of us the way they tirelessly keep order around here.

[AntiFascist]

73. You know.....

I really can't stand this smilie: :shrug: and I feel like beating it to a bloody pulp. What I think of your posts I'll leave to your imagination.

[IAMREALITY]

76. Awwwwww How Cute

Not sure I understand your post? :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[AntiFascist]

88. ...

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:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:
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:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

:nuke:

[IAMREALITY]

99. Ohhhhhhhh Ok

I think I got ya now.

Can we still be friends?

:shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug: :shrug:

[AntiFascist]

104. I guess so....

why not? :shrug:

I'm over my violent impulse now.

[IAMREALITY]

107. LOL LOL

Well, That just officially ended my strangest conversation within a DU Thread.

:)

[AntiFascist]

113. Sorry, looking back on the thread....

I was caught up in the emotion of the response to the original post, and didn't realize who I was initially responding to. My bias against Shrug is colored by others' use of him/her. Please forgive me!

[bunny planet]

59. and what might those be?

[bunny planet]

60. not that this is the thread for you to post them in.

[skids]

63. It is imperative we beat their system.

"we are NOT gonna beat their system. and their system says that THEY won."

And what do you think that "their" system is going to say in 2006, praytell?

[KatieB]

29. As so many said at Conyers' hearing THIS ELECTION IS NOT OVER!

[intelle]

30. Thanks for making my resolve even firmer

to fight and expose the 2004 election fraud.

[Niche]

31. CLASSIC!!! HAHHHHHH! GUFFAWED SO HARD...

I think I have to change my pants!

"past election" OMFG!

:crazy: :bounce: :crazy: :bounce:


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

AMENNNN! classic...

[jhgatiss]

34. Not a chance in hell in this forum.

[pauldp]

37. Saying we should "get beyond the last election" is kinda like...

saying "we should drive to Miami" except that your tires are slashed, there's no gas and the transmission's been yanked.

Gotta fix the car first pal.

[jsamuel]

43. Great analogy!

[Pooka Fey]

48. Hallelujah !

[merh]

81. Welcome to DU paulpd!

Damn glad to greet you! :hi:

your analogy is wonderful :thumbsup:

[pauldp]

86. Thanks

I just envision Al Franken and other nay sayer Dems just sitting behind the wheel of a broken down jalopy saying "If we just sit here and pretend nothing's wrong eventually we'll get where we want to go."

[RevCheesehead]

89. Or turning to one another and saying "I think we need a new map."

The message and the messenger were fine. It was the doorman who stole the mail.

[Patsy Stone]

41. I'm still working on 2000.

I have a long way to go! :)

[Turn CO Blue]

100. Yep. I still miss my President Gore. n/t

[Patsy Stone]

106. You just

said a mouthful! Grrrrrrr.

[Red State Blues]

53. Look...

The majority of the Democratic Party agrees with you. So that is where the resources are - GO HELP THEM.

Did you notice that the name of this forum is "2004 Election Results and Discussion" ? Perhaps there are roughly millions of other places where your post would be better appreciated.

If you want to question some of the evidence, I'll back you up 100%. I think some here are way to sensitive to peer review. But no one here is going to appreciate this particular line of reasoning.

[bywho4who]

55. Go To IRAQ(EOM)

:freak:

[anaxarchos]

57. Either Way, It's Here to Stay.

If the results of this election stand, then the dominant issue for the next decade is going to be the substance and structure of American democracy... Come to think of it, that's probably true even if the results don't stand.

This fish is a little big to be wished away and the stink as it rots is going to be around for a long time.

[bunny planet]

58. The carbo-challenged lady has not sung yet.

[helderheid]

62. ha - no

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=131893&mesg_id=131893

[Mastiff]

64. No way is 2004 over!!

I believe fraud took place, based on the exit poll discrepancies. This is not something I can "get over". Do you remember why Nixon resigned? It was because of election malfeasance. Don't let this rest even if Dubya does get inaugurated. We might still get him out of office. If not, we can raise such a stink over black box voting that we may be able to prevent this from happening again.
No AMEN from me, brother!

[ClassWarrior]

65. You speak the truth...

...when you call it the LAST election. Unless we frogmarch the Radical Rightwing criminals who have infested our White House to Gitmo, that is.

NGU.

[snot]

66. Nope. 'Cause this IS a key part of those efforts.

[Acryliccalico]

68. Never get over 2004 election

We can never get over the fraud in the 2004 election. We have to make the memorie last forever for history. If we get over it then that tells them it was Ok and they can go on. If we never get over it, IT GOES DOWN IN HISTORY. My answer is NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!



NEVER FORGET

[Paligal]

69. I'll accept when they accept Roe v. Wade as a done deal

Roe V. Wade is in the past.
Saddam Hussein is in the past (but still, Bush decided we HAD to finish the job)
Certain states decided IN THE PAST that homosexual marriage was valid, but who is trying to overturn that in the present and create a constitutional amendment?

Yeah, right. So if it's in the past, we should let bygones be bygones? That's what the Bush administration is counting on as they slide countless underhanded policies by us.

[The Judged]

74. You are so happy in your victory that you have become a DU bunker buster?

[tandem5]

75. if you believe that the people you are addressing truly believe...

fraud occurred... then you have to realize those same people won't see any logic in participating in another fake election.

[Sparkle]

78. No.

[Time for change]

79. Absolutely not

If we are right that election fraud was the ONLY reason that Kerry (and several Congress people) lost this election (and I am virtually positive that that was the case), then what possible good will it do to let this pass and concentrate on other strategies?

The point is that if we don't do something about the election fraud, the Democratic Party will NEVER win another election. And what do you think are the chances of this Administration and this Congress doing something to correct election fraud?

[genieroze]

82. No! eom

[Dolphyn]

83. In order to concentrate on 2006, we MUST know what happened in 2004. n/t

[passy]

85. how about 2000 and 2002 ?

I guess most people are beyond that too, even though our guy won then too.
Are you gonna say in 2008 when Cheney has stolen the election from Hillary, that hey! who cares we will do better in 2012.
That's if elections are still taking place in 2008.

[patdem]

87. Hey, your wife was murdered, go marry your girlfriend and get over it!

Why should we go looking for some person of whom we have no description and no evdience against?? GET OVER IT...SHE WAS SLAUGHTERED...SO WHAT??

Should the death of democracy be any less important than the murder of a loved one???

[Higans]

90. The only way to possibly win in 06 &08 is by figuring out what happened

in 04. Get past it, no way. Get past loosing our right to vote? No way. Wake up and smell the recount. Democrats did not lose. We were not beat. We the Humans were out voted by a select few machines. Realizing that Fact is the only way any election will not be stolen again. We will not fall back asleep. We will point out every discrepancy.

In short, Wake up. Learn your history or you will be doomed to repeat it. this situation is not only the past, it is also the future unless we fix the damn system.

Your saying get over it and move on makes me wounder if your even a democrat at all. more likely a plant by the republican army or the Mainstream media sent here to try and confuse the issues.

I feel stupid for even having replied to your message.

Give Americans their right to vote back or else we will stop reproducing. Lets see how well the war machine works then.

[European Socialist]

91. No Way

The Chimp already stole 2000. He may get a 2nd term but the world will know what a rotten scoundrel he is!!

[livvy]

93. I'll put it on my list of things to do right under...

"try to get over the 2000 election" Sorry, no can do!

[McCamy Taylor]

94. some of us are able to do both, we can walk and chew gum, too :)

[stella2cat]

95. NEVER

[googly]

96. I predict a landslide win for Hillary Clinton in 2008

She is already triangulating the issues, just like Bubba.
She is talking about being tougher on terrorists than Bush!
By 2008, majority of Americans will be disgusted about the
high cost of medical insurance and medical bills. Hillary
will win that issue hands down. And the issue that will break
the repug's back will be her insistance on balancing the
budget. That will bring in tons of fiscal conservatives who
are disappointed in Bush's wild spending and taxcuts for the
high income people.

[Pepper32]

97. NO... I do not concede n/t

[bardgal]

98. A) we didn't lose, and B) if we don't PROVE IT, there will NEVER be

any more HONEST ELECTIONS. The BFEE mafia will just improve their fraud technique.

WAKE THE HELL UP!

[Turn CO Blue]

101. No, thank you. I love this forum because it examines

the "past election"

Those who do not understand history, are doomed to repeat it.

[SmokingJacket]

102. Wrong forum for that, doooooooooood. n/t

[lonestarnot]

103. LOL LOL LOL Marginalization Attempt.....Failure

Recount OHIO ...go cliffie the lawyer! Show the country who really won the election!

[Stand and Fight]

105. Nope.

Not a chance in Hell. Take your request and shove it brother -- with all due respect.

[buddysmellgood]

108. Shouldn't we count the votes first? What good will it do us to focus on

the next election? Why keep voting if the votes don't get counted? This is about Democracy.

[marions ghost]

109. Ditto and Amen to all of the posts above--

Thanx to hijinx for bringing forth all these strong responses. They have given me renewed hope. Loved that bold opener from Faye and it was all uphill reading from there.

We Americans are being asked to rubber stamp a sham election, the hallmark of tyrannical regimes. All the lofty rhetoric about our great democracy cannot hide the grim reality of what we are seeing now.

I think that our resistance to accepting this Mother of All Lies will help others come to terms with it also. I KNOW I'm in the right "discussion." On Nov 3 I chose Sanity. No more denial. Sleeping better ever since.

WTF-Get Over It??? Chat about who and what in 2006-08? TILT !!!!!
Votergate is the Tea Party...or the Battle on the Beach if you like a more robust image. A line has been drawn in the sand. The teams lining up now...get a front row seat.

:evilfrown: :evilfrown: :evilfrown: VS O8) O8) O8)

[k8conant]

111. 2004 isn't over, but Re-elect Kerry in 2008 n/t

[Donailin]

112. HERE'S THE ANALOGY

Bush hasn't been inaugurated yet. I think the day he is inaugurated is the day I will personally decide what course to take.

Right now, we are living in a false reality. Here's an analogy:

I have a hundred thousand dollars in the bank, which I saved by blood sweat and tears and honest hard work in order to buy a home. It took me 4 years to save this money, four years of careful spending, living within my means and self denial and careful investing.
Then one day when It's time to buy a house, I go to the atm machine to get a balance and the reciept says I have 10,000. Not enough money for a down payment.

Now, do I berate myself for spending beyond my means and decide that I must re-organize and make a new and better plan for the next four years of saving? Do I just "move-on" and blame myself for not doing the things I should have done? Do I participate in the flase reality that the bank set up for me?

No. I go get a lawyer and find out where the hell my money went. And I don't stop searching until I find it. If I can't find it after a year, then I do everything to make sure that everyone knows that bank is corrupt and steals people's money and that no one should ever use that bank again.

Can anyone finish off my analogy?