A few ways cheating could have occurred

[Carolab]

I was cruising through voteprotect.org (excellent database, by the way) for things that happened in my state and came across the report below.

Yesterday, received a call from British Columbia. Caller said she was from Washington, said she knew Mia voted for Bush in last election and wanted to know if they could count on her support this year. Said yes. Today received a call from Washington asking if she was coming out to vote and who was she voting for. Mia wouldn't say. She thinks this is strange because her number is listed under her husband's name. She doesn't know how they got her name or number.

037307 11/02/04, 10:23 AM PST Other Minneapolis, Hennepin County, Minnesota

https://voteprotect.org/index.php?display=EIRMapCounty&state=Minnesota&cat=ALL&start_time=00%3A00&start_date=11%2F2%2F2004&end_time=00%3A00&end_date=12%2F10%2F2004&search=&go=Apply+filter&county=Hennepin

So, it made me think back to a few things.

I was a GOTV volunteer for MoveOn and what we did was go door-to-door with lists of "infrequent Dem voters" asking them who they planned to vote for. If they said the didn't plan to we checked that off too. On election day, we asked people who said they were voting Kerry to check in with us to verify that they had voted. Not that many actually did, but anyway. On election day I personally got three calls reminding me to vote. They didn't ask me if I had, just reminded me.

The scenario reported above made me think about dirty Republican tricks. They actually ASKED this woman if she had voted, which is the first hint that something was "amiss". Then, she realized that they couldn't have known her number because it wasn't listed to her name but her husband's. So, someone had information from somewhere--registration lists?--that told them she was a Bush voter last time. If she had said "no" or "I'm not going to this time", how easy would it have been for someone else to go in her place and vote for Bush? Even if the person posing as this woman had been asked for ID, it would have been a provisional ballot situation. If she had not been asked for ID, the poser would have been able to vote as this woman.

I wonder too if the Republicans had a similar GOTV effort to MoveOn's but when a person said they weren't voting someone called them to see if they voted and then if they said "no" went to vote in their place. I wish we could just canvass certain areas, door-to-door, and ask people to sign affidavits as to whether they voted and for whom.

Sorry if this scenario has been discussed before; if it was I wasn't aware of it.

[ClintCooper2003]

1. Yes, but how many thousands up thousands of people would...

they need to basically agree to commit fraud to do this?

[Florida_Geek]

2. In florida no

Florida requires photo id. But maybe in some states where photo id is not required.

This idea of your is good, just a lot of work IMHO and expensive.

[Carolab]

3. Okay, what if

the person called said they did did not show up, and the caller put that information into a central database, then a program mined the database for voters who didn't show and cast a "proxy" vote for them in the correct precinct. This could explain the vote padding and the more votes than voters phenomenon. It could possibly also explain why the same number of votes showed up in some precincts/counties repeatedly. You wouldn't even need a paper trail to dummy up in paperless voting precincts/counties. In those requiring a paper ballot, supervisors could just fill in some blank ones, especially if the ballots weren't sequentially ordered.

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. You got it

they used absentee ballots and inactive voter lists to find out who they could steal votes from.

That is how they got 120% of the REP vote for Bush in many places.

[bitchkitty]

7. Photo ID - not at all hard to fake.

The right software, a few clicks and you can print one out in seconds.

[The Flaming Red Head]

4. I still haven’t gotten over that 100% plus turnout in WY

Even with same day registration it doesn’t seem likely.

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. I voted on election day in FL and a Move On rep was at my precinct

When you came out he asked if he could check your name off his list.

He said they were doing this so that they wouldn't call people who already voted when they made their GOTV calls later. That was how they knew you didn't vote.