DISSIDENTS????? FUCKING DISSIDENTS?????

[CatWoman]

Dissidents protest Monday's Electoral College vote in key swing state Ohio
Sunday December 12, 2004
By JOHN McCARTHY
Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio (AP) As it has done for 200 years, Ohio's delegation to the Electoral College is to meet Monday to cast ballots for president and vice president but this time, there are demands that the electors wait until after a recount.

The Electoral College's vote in the Ohio Senate chamber is expected to be accompanied by demonstrations outside the Capitol sponsored by groups who don't accept that President Bush won the key swing state by 119,000 votes, guaranteeing his victory over Democrat John Kerry.

A demonstration was held Sunday as about 100 people gathered outside the Ohio Statehouse to protest the delegation's vote.

http://cbsnewyork.com/national/Ohio-ElectoralCollege-aa/resources_news_html

[WilliamPitt]

1. Time to raise the black flag, I guess

[hippiechick]

2. Next they'll be calling us 'insurgents' ...

:evilfrown:


:hippie:

[wovenpaint]

51. My thought exactly!

Great minds think alike...lol

[mcg]

78. Thomas Jefferson protested against the Alien and Sedition Acts

so Jefferson was a dissident.

http://www.sparknotes.com/biography/jefferson/htimeline.html

[Fenris]

3. dis·si·dent

adj.

Disagreeing, as in opinion or belief.


n.

One who disagrees; a dissenter.

[CatWoman]

7. But have you ever heard American citizens described as such

in a news story?

[Dr Fate]

10. Yes. They insinuated war protesters were "communists."

Back b/f we went to Iraq...I'll never forget that shit.

[Fenris]

34. Not recently.

By definition it is not so bad, but the implication there is quite sinister.

[CatWoman]

38. not as sinister as THIS!!!!!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[Fenris]

40. ACK! WOMAN!

YOU ARE EVIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:grr:

[HeeBGBz]

73. Sweet Jesus! My retinas! ack

[Carni]

56. No, I haven't and this is bullshit

The next step will definitely be to call us insurgents-UNREAL!

[stepnw1f]

28. By Definition, not so Bad

Ask the Americans what they think connotates to the word dissident. To them it means something a tad negative... thanks to our Fascist media.

[Pithy Cherub]

4. How appropo - written by a $#@& McCarthy!

:puke:

[Dr Fate]

5. I prefer to be called a "Goldsteinist."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldstein's_book

In George Orwell's dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four, describing a totalitarian society ruled by the almighty Party, Emmanuel Goldstein figures in state propaganda as the chief enemy of the state -- a former Party member who conspires against the "wise" leadership of Big Brother. Early in the novel, Orwell introduces the concept of the book supposedly written by Goldstein: "There were...whispered stories of a terrible book, a compendium of all the heresies, of which Goldstein was the author and which circulated clandestinely here and there. It was a book without a title. People referred to it, if at all, simply as The Book."

[Higans]

39. Is Orwell still required reading?

or have they managed to chuck that down a memory hole with our constitution?

[Imperialism Inc.]

77. OT

My son will be reading Animal Farm next year in tenth grade. I think that is the same grade as when I was in school.

[Elidor]

6. Fox is calling them "Dissidents," too!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x145338

GOP talking point. And the media are swallowing it.

How many examples of the use of the word 'dissidents' will we come across in the next few days, I wonder?

[bunny planet]

33. Lets make bumperstickers with the word Dissident, and the defintion of the

word. Or signs.

[Higans]

44. Here is a Good Bumper sticker!

Is E-Voting ME-Voting?

www.democraticunderground.com



Short Simple. easy to cope with. I'm going to spend a few bucks and have some stickers printed. Every one should. give them out to your friends and family.

We need to focus on election reform. Paper Ballots and Auditing. We the people need our voices herd.

[New Earth]

8. i guess we need to be ready for names like these

:puke:

[sepia_steel]

9. It's not so bad

We disagree with most shmucks would like to accept. Take it as a compliment! :)

[hootinholler]

15. I think it's actually an improvement...

from what we have been called.

[New Earth]

17. yeah

it's a bit more positive than 'conspiracy theorists'.

[Eye_on_prize]

60. I agree 'dissidents' much better than 'conspiracy nuts'.

'dissidents' is an upgrade from Tinfoil Hat Brigade. Olberman granted that we'd moved beyond that last week, so they HAD to come up with some other disparaging label, and fortunately this one (dissident) has a dictionary definition i can live with, because I DO 'disagree' that election was fair and transparent. of course, there is the half-empty part too, of clearly implying 'fringe factor' or being 'out of step' with mainstream, but at least there is some truth to that to. on balance , we could have been called a lot worse.

[EFerrari]

11. Dissident: citizens who insist on their free speech rights.

Okay, so who owns Canned BS? (I'm going to make a flowchart, swear.)

[KarenS]

12. OK,,,, so now I am a dissident too,,,,,

since BushCo's first coup d'etat ~ I've been put in a 'focus group',,,, classified as one of a 'few angry' people ~ not to mention a godless, unpatriotic Liberal,,,,

dang,,,,

on edit:

after we are classified as 'insurgents',
we will then be called "terrorists"

[politicasista]

13. BOOOO!

[AntiFascist]

62. Welcome to DU KarenS....

they can only call us insurgents or terrorists if we turn to violence, and don't think that's not what they want us to do. With the demonstration in Boston and other actions we have planted a seed of truth about this administration. We should also be working on Republicans to convince more of them that this is not what the Republican party should be all about. This goes way beyond Democrats vs. Republicans.

[Skittles]

14. well, I'm a slacker, a communist, a radical and now I'm a dissent

simply because I don't care for fascists stealing elections. How long before we are called insurgents?

[Blue_In_AK]

16. Dissident and proud!

[Chimpanzee]

65. Dissident

One who has been dissed by the faux election for president.

[sabra]

18. I have been called worse...

As others posted, we should expect alot more of this especially as things intensify in the next week...

[JunkYardDogg]

19. I'm a Dissident and Damn Proud of It

F...k..g Dissident-Proud to say I'm Both
Don't be ashamed of being labeled a Dissident
Be proud of it
That is what we are
UNFORTUNATELY

[Leilani]

20. Just goes to show how a word here or there

can frame the debate.

Really pathetic!

How come only 100 people turned out? Was it bad weather?

[Nite Owl]

21. Historically we are in good company.

We wouldn't be here without a few dissidents who were willing to speak out a couple hundred years ago. The majority weren't for the Revolution either and look what happeneded. Maybe we are being called upon to step up now.

[grasswire]

22. sore losers, too

``It's a shame they do not believe in the honesty and the professional people working the polls,'' said Mumper. ``I just think they are sore losers and money and time (for the recount) could be spent on other things.''



I'd like to see this woman (whose husband is a state senator) react to the real news - that Kerry won Ohio.

[jdog]

24. For "professionals"

they sure do have a lot of "mistakes" and "glitches."

[bones_7672]

57. I don't think she will ever hear that news. n/t

[Chimpanzee]

66. Her comments would be priceless!

[kedrys]

23. Does that make us "intellectuals" as well? Just curious.

Dissent my arse. The revolution will be live.

[troubleinwinter]

25. DISsident,

DISparage
DIDenfranchise
DISregard
DISmiss

[SueZhope]

26. This from the article makes me feel

queasy and my head starts to spin with anger :grr:
its just so awful that the DISSIDENTS would distract there little plans

Karyle Mumper, chairwoman of the Marion County Republican Party, will be an elector for the first time. She, too, feels honored but believes the demonstrations outside will be a distraction.
``It's a shame they do not believe in the honesty and the professional people working the polls,'' said Mumper. ``I just think they are sore losers and money and time (for the recount) could be spent on other things.''

[KatieB]

36. If they thought this election was honest they would have no problem with a

recount. Her remarks are the start of the propaganda machine spinning.

[Eye_on_prize]

61. ya, maybe she's implying recount $ could be used to upgrade GI Humvees...

could be Rovian segue into 'insurgent sympathizers' talking point. This is too weird to contemplate for more than a few seconds.

[sally343434]

27. This is all part of the conditioning

The media eagerly promotes this type of language as another step in portraying those opposing Bush as un-american or, better yet, non-american. This will make it easier to sell the eventual roundup and "disappearing" of the most vocal ones.

These people aren't wasting any time, are they? I knew this was coming, of course. They did the same in the American press with the "Japs" and in the German press with the Jews. I'm a little surprised, though, that they've stepped up the pace like this.

[sarahlee]

31. sally343434 - You got it right!

Like you, I was a bit surprised to find them escalating this quickly.

[sarahlee]

29. Good catch

This change in language is important to note and to try to neutralize as quickly as possible - if possible.

Another step up on the propaganda machine.

[senseandsensibility]

32. I agree we should be trying to neutralize it

but it would be nice if we had some strategists in the Dem Party who could do so. I mean, that's what they are paid to do.x( But they have proven time and again that they are not capable of any kind of PR or delivering a co-ordinated message.;( It gets frustrating sometimes. No, strike that, it gets infuriating.

[skids]

47. Actually, internationally this might not play too badly.

Bush, among all the other feathers in his dunce-cap-of-shame, now has active dissidence at home.

[New Earth]

30. we SHOULD be called CONCERNED CITIZENS

or CONCERNED VOTERS

[KatieB]

35. Next we'll be called "insurgents"

[leftchick]

37. Yahoo: Protesters Urge Delay for Ohio Electors

perhaps someone has complained already?

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=536&e=1&u=/ap/20041212/ap_on_re_us/ohio_electoral_college

[jdog]

41. Who has the list of names of people who attended

the Conyers hearing?

[Quakerfriend]

42. They had better watch out or we might turn into

unlawful combatants!

[Chimpanzee]

69. That's hilarious! He had to change from dissidents to protesters!

[Igel]

43. Dissidents ...

Amal'rik. Sakharov. (Vl.) Voinovich. Mandela, no doubt. Many others.

[progressoid]

45. Damn Straight. I always wanted to be a dissident!

[skids]

46. D.I.S.S.I.D.E.N.T.

Stands for Dude, Is it Subversive to Suggest I Doubt the Election of November Two.

[Chimpanzee]

71. How long before we are

"dissidents attempting to subvert the democratic process":mad:

[BattyDem]

74. Excellent!

:toast:

[Menshevik]

48. Dissidents

I see no problem with the term...whenever I hear the word it reminds me of the Soviet dissidents that spoke out against their government's actions

[chalky]

64. Thank you! I was beginning to think....

I was the only one who pictured Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn and thought, "Cool!"

[KatieB]

49. Anyone know a way to reach the AP and correct that label?

Anyone have John McCarthy's email?

[NotNInch]

50. Look Who's Calling Us Dissidents

It's Facists.

I'm just another proud dissident.

[madison2000]

52. Definition of dissident

Dems
In
Search of
Stolen votes
Investigating
Defrauded
Election
Never
To
Surrender

:headbang:

[idealista]

53. "dissidents" get sent to the stalag - cognitive headache

I'm realizing that the reason I have been completely pre-occupied with the election/fraud aftermath, is that the realization our elections are no longer "real" completely changes the way I have to look at my world, our history, our future (as a country and myself personally), all my expectations and feelings of hope.

It requires a massive, horrible, nightmarish cognitive shift.

WHich is one reason the vast majority prefer the denial route.

Note also that the next thing the REpublicans or their backers must do is to keep America UNAWARE of this, and they've been doing a good job with the 1984speak so far. "Freedom" this, "freedom" that, makes me want to puke.

In the future, we will be subjected to a series fo "sham" elections elections, and anyone who dares speak the truth is a "dissendent" or worse.

I nominate this system of goverment to be officially not a "democracy" but a "HYPOCRACY".

[Eye_on_prize]

63. ya as in 'cognitive dissidents' - lol ...

thanks for giving voice to yours here, as i think you speak for a lot of us, me at least.

[RaulVB]

54. So, what's the big deal?

Look at historic popular movements. We are dissidents. We are fighting against a totalitarian regime and state controlled media.

Revolutions started this way and those who fought to overthrow fascist regimes were called dissidents at the beginning.

Be proud of it!

PS: I really like your cats!

[meganmonkey]

55. Exactly - stop letting them steal our language

It's like denying you are liberal. If you think there was voter fraud, and especially if you went to a protest today, you are a dissident. By definition.

"disagreeing especially with an established religious or political system, organization, or belief"
(If you don't believe me, look here http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=dissident )

F*ck the spin! Turn off your TV and maybe you will stop being afraid of words that should be considered compliments.

[ok_cpu]

70. It's not us that the term effects

We don't have a problem being dissidents among the like-minded company of this group. But the term does have a negative connotation and will turn off the "average" person who may have otherwise come around to the idea of vote fraud. They will not want to be labeled dissidents...
And that's exactly why a right-leaning "journalist" would use the term. That one word can frame the entire discussion of election fraud.

[meganmonkey]

75. If they're more concerned about being labeled 'dissident' then they are

about restoring DEMOCRACY, that is their problem. Seriously. They can stay home and watch the latest makeover show while I stand out in freezing cold & sleet & high wind gusts at a rally.

Aren't the Ukrainians being referred to as dissidents? And our media is treating them like the ultimate democracy-warriors for protesting. Seems like a good thing to me...

on edit, after a google news search : okay, i guess the ukrainians are called 'opposition', cubans are called dissidents - the cubans we are trying to 'save' from the evil Castro...

[zimba]

59. Dissident is one of the nicer things

Ive heard recently. It sure beats bitterender and all those other off the wall terms. As long as we can say, In the beginning we were dissidents and in the end we were victorious, Im totally cool with it.

[Beth in VT]

58. The reporter is evidently a Republican.

He used the phrase "democrat-leaning precincts."

[BlueOhio]

67. Dissident

To Disagree.

Blah.

[mattclearing]

68. I guess John Kerry is a dissident too.

Eat shit AP. :)

[Pepper32]

72. Cool we're DISSIDENTS. Hopefully, before the week is out most of

America will be DISSIDENTS too. :D

We should own this word, don't let anyone make us feel bad for standing up for what's RIGHT. As for the general public seeing it negatively, I have feeling that will change.

On edit: fixed typo

[dewaldd]

76. COMING SOON: No dissident left unmedicated

a favorite formula of fascists for dealing with dissidents--call 'em crazy and lock 'em up.

[ewulf]

79. I like it, really...

Remember the anti-Soviet dissidents during the Cold War? They got lots of good press in the US under the label "dissident".

Lest hope the Republicans would go the way of the Communists!

[BreakForNews]

80. They changed the linked article?

That hyperlink in the top post in this thread
doesn't go to the John McCarthy article

This one does:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/12/12/national1554EST0518.DTL

[berni_mccoy]

81. Some Famous Dissidents

Jesus Christ
George Washington
Ben Franklin
Thomas Jefferson
Sam Adams
Mahatma Gandhi
Martin Luther King Jr

and many more

And don't forget...

The U.S. gov't (many of the same people in the current administration) liked Saddam Hussein when he was a dissident... we gave him lots of money and weapons (including WMDs) to overthrow the Iraqi government and install a military dictatorship.

The U.S. gov't (many of the same people in the current administration) liked Osama Bin Laden when he was a dissident in Afghanistan fighting the USSR... we gave him lots of money and weapons.