What letter did Kerry send to 88 Ohio Electors?

[Diane R]

I am listening to AAR. The hostess has just referred to a letter that Kerry sent today to 98 electors from Ohio. Does anyone know about this? It sounds like a very positive move.

[renaissanceguy]

1. Let's hope.

If he says "Go ahead and cast your votes as-is," then we're screwed.

[bemis12]

2. ??? Ohio only has 20 electors....

[ohio_liberal]

6. 20 from each party, right? n/t

[bemis12]

20. Corrected below

edited to delete

[Twist_U_Up]

3. we`ll find out in a second

after all these damn commercials She said someone was going to be on to explain this letter

[renaissanceguy]

4. Good.

Let us know, I'm nowhere near a radio.

[Goldeneye]

5. I was wondering the same thing

I'm trying to keep my buddies up on all this.....

[Patsy Stone]

7. OMG

Did I just hear that right? Kerry. I think I may die.
Areas of inquiry?
Numbers that could change the outcome?

I may faint.

[SueZhope]

10. dont faint

its real......kerry is coming on in......

[Patsy Stone]

18. As you know

I've felt it all along. It's just so amazing that we're not nuts.
Wow. :)

[KaliTracy]

23. i agree!

[SueZhope]

36. Ha Patsy

Yesterday & today I posted this LF show
My gut told me there would be big news.(all the guests on )

if that was not big news ..what is...??
I am afraid to get to excited about the Kerry letter....
they all sound so calm on the radio talking about this.

Im babbling with nervous energy

[Patsy Stone]

102. Don't

be afraid. Anytime JK is mentioned, it means news. Headlines. Attention. Why are you worried?

First law of lawyering: Never ask a question you don't know the answer to.

[SueZhope]

134. something in the air

one minute..I know it in my heart its like you predicted on line.
Then the little nay-sayer voices catch up with me

I look like this:
:crazy: :cry: :loveya:

[Patsy Stone]

151. Me too

In English we say, "manic." :) Keep the faith. Light a candle.

[SueZhope]

185. and take a drug..LOL n/t

[TexasChick]

OMG! I knew I was in love with this man for a reason! n/t

[Patsy Stone]

35. I hear ya

sister! He rocks. Don't listen to the naysayers. :)

[jsamuel]

8. Rumor has it, that the blue state electors (CA) will not cast their votes

tomorrow because of the fraud in Ohio...

Talk about the MSM reporting that one!

[MrUnderhill]

26. Ummm... WHY?

Wouldn't that mean Bush wins by 54 more votes?

And wouldn't it ALSO mean that if Ohio DOES end up in Kerry's column at some time in the future that he STILL wouldn't win?

[Obviousman]

30. But if ohio is overturned, and CA doesnt vote

Are we shooting ourselves in the foot?

[jsamuel]

32. From what I understand they can vote anytime they want to before Jan 6th

[Stand and Fight]

34. Rumor? Electors not casting votes? Say what? Hmpf...

Provide a link please. Don't spout off such things if you cannot provide a link.

[jsamuel]

43. It's from the DU right in front of your face...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x146027

[Stand and Fight]

50. As for as I am concerned...

That comment is ambiguous at best. I would advise that people NOT jump to conclusions in regards to that comment. I'm advising that we proceed with extreme caution and not jump at every little snippet of information that we HEAR about.

[sandnsea]

49. "rumor has it"

I think that qualifies the statement fairly.

[Stand and Fight]

52. Good point...

Or disqualifies it...

:evilgrin:

[seito]

75. Do not read too much into the statement

It was one interpreation of a vague comment made by one of the California electors.

[jsamuel]

68. I fully agree

[Horse with no Name]

121. For some reason this terrifies me

Because of Arnold.
What if California waits to certify votes after Ohio is proven to be Kerry and then certifies them for Bush? Then were up shit creek with a stinky paddle.
Can they do that?

[jamboi]

138. Don't worry, Ahnahld can't do that constitutionally. n/t

[troubleinwinter]

159. Gropinator has squatt to say about any of it.

[Patsy Stone]

9. It's the 88 elections boards, not 98 electors. n/t

[Duer 157099]

11. yikes, did he just say:

that somehow the machines assigned Kerry's votes to that judge in So. Ohio?

that's not the hypothesis at all! is it?

edit: ok, a caller just asked about this; the idea they are talking about is that the scanners read the cards upside down (or something)

[Silver Gaia]

205. Dot, your post just hit me like a ton of bricks

and then I noticed who posted it. :D I'm not stalking your posts! Really! LOL But OH!!! Scanned upside down or backwards or something??? Oh my... well, yeah, that could do it. Inept incompetence? Or FRAUD? hmmmm Is this what Arnebeck has? I'm gonna have to listen to this show later tonight.

[Duer 157099]

216. lol, hi Joolz! I saw your post in the other thread

about the rally today. So glad you got to go, and are going again tomorrow (I'm going to be glued to my TV, hopefully c-span, and DU tomorrow)

I should have recorded the show when it was on, where do you listen to it again from? Is there an archive or something, or does it repeat?

[Silver Gaia]

241. I was hoping they'd have it archived

but I guess not. Dammit! I'm listening now, but it's live only, so it's just the tail end. :cry:

[angrydemocrat]

12. Hell Yeah!!!!

Go Kerry!

[SueZhope]

15. not an accident

we are hearing this tonight ...all part of plan....
:thumbsup: :hi: :toast: :party: :bounce:

[proudtobeadem]

195. All part of the plan!!! GO KERRY, GO KERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Stand and Fight]

13. 88 Boards of Elections, not 98 n/t

93,000 spoiled ballots.

Judge C. more votes than Kerry in Southern Ohio. Votes for Kerry possibly came up for Ellen Connaly -sp?- on optical scanner machines.

Poll workers didn't instruct voters to cast their ballots on the right machines.

Jackson and Kerry drafted a letter to be mailed Monday to 88 separate BOEs. Inquiring about possible misplaced votes in southern Ohio for Judge C. and provisional ballots and auditing of machines by non-partisan personnel.

Different standards are being referred to by the different BOEs -- not the ones set out in Ohio election law. That is, 3% and if the numbers don't match then full hand-recount.

[hootinholler]

42. No votes, not spoiled...

I thought these were otherwise valid ballots that registered no Pres vote.

-Hoot

I wanna see U. S. Marshalls present at the audits.

[SaveAmerica]

76. Time for my first BOUNCE!!!

:bounce: :bounce:

YAHOOOOOOOO!!!!
Deck the Halls with boughs of ballots, FA LA LA LA LAAAAAAAA!!!

[zapp]

14. Kerry Letter.....

to 88 Board of Electors Directors..That Kerry was calling for investigations into distribution of voting machines. Jackson and Kerry together drafted a letter, (1)pointed to 92,000 ballots where no votes were counted for president; (2) Some outside independent verification of the optical scanners of paper ballots; (3) Provisional Ballots: The level of votes that were rejected were twice the amount as in 2000, another anomaly, to be investigated.

[crispini]

39. KERRY SPEAKS!

Whoooohoooooooooooooooooooo

I'm SCREAMING ALOUD HERE! YEAH BABY!

[Patsy Stone]

95. Couldja just die?

I'm soooooo happy. Stuck his head out of the foxhole. Complete in his battle plans. Oh, and I never do this, but you know: :loveya:

[IndyPriest]

132. Patsy, the perfect storm has gathered

Wanna high five?

[Patsy Stone]

137. Right back 'atcha!

On the high side, on the down low, around the back and under the leg. We all did this. We rock! JK rocks! Viva la Revolution! It might not be televised, but it sure as hell will be blogged.

[Kellis]

182. LOL

OMG-Im sitting here with happy excited tears laughing my ass off.

:toast:

[Viva_La_Revolution]

184. You got it girl!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! n/t

[lonestarnot]

188. OH HALLALUJA THERE IS A GOD!

HE GOT BALLS!

[BlueDog2u]

16. 88 Board of Election Directors....

Not "electors."

Letter goes out tomorrow.

"Involve numbers large enough to change the outcome."

92,000 votes cast with no vote for President.

Judge who got 200,000 more votes in certain Counties than Kerry.

Kerry calls for non-partisan audit into optical scanners.

Will the op scan paper ballots be counted independently of scanners?

Provisional ballots -- different standards used in different counties.

[latteromden]

28. "Involve numbers large enough to change the outcome." ?!!!?!??!!!?!!?!

WHAT?! You're KIDDING me. You HAVE to be kidding me. There's no way... well, no, I take that back, of COURSE there's a way, but I never thought that anything would actually come of this...!!

[Sideways]

59. Feeling The Love Yet?

You never thought it would come to this? Well why the fuck not?

[latteromden]

72. I suppose I thought that it would never get out,

like it didn't in 2000. I knew we HAD evidence, but I thought they would be able to successfully block us from ever DOING anything about it. The outcome's not sure yet, but please, please, PLEASE let me be just absolutely DEAD wrong.

[TexasChick]

77. latteromden, I hear ya, but at least Kerry is doing something. I was so

worried that he wasn't and I had almost given up on him. I also said a few choice words to Terry McCauliff(sp?) and the Dem party. Hopefully, with Arnebeck's lawsuit and further investigations, we can finally nail the Repuketards to the wall!

[lonestarnot]

189. oh shit this better not be a fucking joke!

[crispini]

40. "Involve numbers large enough to change the outcome."

YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!

[TexasChick]

67. Did you go to the march? If so, how was it? n/t

[crispini]

81. I wound up not going, I had to work.

:( But there's a pretty good summary over on the Texas forum. sounds like it was great!

[TexasChick]

92. Alright, Texans! I knew this state had people who don't love this Chimp

like these fundie whackos in my family. I'm infested with Repuketards who adore this Chimp no matter how I plea to them that he is no Christian and is dragging this once great nation to the ground - immediate family, aunts and uncles, and cousins! Glad it went well for them!

[Chimpanzee]

130. I've always though that dumbyas

"born-again Christian" was just part of KKK Rove's master plan. If Bush were really a true Christian, he couldn't do most of the things he's done. Have you ever heard him tell the truth about anything before?

[TexasChick]

150. Nope, but the way he can lie makes him all but a great false prophet!

These people listen to soundbytes, Rude Limpbaugh, and Faux News. They can't help it, they just don't know any better. You can say you love Jesus and say you pray every morning to these people and they will believe you! They don't take Christ's heed about judging people(false prophets) by their fruits (actions). It's terribly sad, really. I'm Christian, even cuss here and there, but never will I be a fundie, Right Winger. No way!

[Amy6627]

297. Amen Sister!

There is no way this guy is a Christian! Anti-Christ maybe, Christian NO WAY!!!!

"You will know them by their fruits", me and my sisters have been saying this for 4 years!!!

[burn the bush]

284. he's not a christian at all. I think it was Billy Graham (sp)

that said even though shrub claims that it was Billy who "saved" him, Graham says that he never felt that he at any time made any impression at all on that shrub.
Also during the election, the pbs station where i live was running a story compairing Kerry & shrub. They showed shrub in his early days watching his father campaign. He was more or less noticing how if you got the religios people on your side that they would do the work for you. They said shrub was saying "i could do that, I could do that down in Texas"
To me he was very much in that documentary learning how to manipulate the Christians. I don't think he's any kind of Christian.

[proudtobeadem]

202. Hi all, I can't believe I just left and nothing was going on!

[fshrink]

122. "Non-partisan audit"... How are we going to do that?

The 3 sisters hold the whole thing, data and all....

[understandinglife]

281. WBNS-TV: Kerry Reps Have Specific Questions About Ballots

http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682826

Columbus OH TV pickup of story:

"A lawyer for Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded.

Donald McTigue is the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign.

He says the Kerry campaign sent a letter to Ohio's 88 county boards of election over the weekend detailing eleven items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that the boards will begin this week." (more at the referenced URL; posted at the TV website in the past hour).

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[understandinglife]

289. New York Times picks up the AP feed...

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Kerry-Recount.html?oref=login

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[donkeyotay]

330. "Involve numbers large enough to change the outcome."

ARRGGGH! Don't get me hopes up just to dash them again!!! Are you f*kin kidding me?????????????????OMG.

Hello? Headline suggestion: Shit hits fan. Republicans covered.

Alright, I listened to all the folks who said Kerry wouldn't say anything until/unless they had something solid. Well, it sounds like they do. And I said, I'd not only take off my hat to Kerry, I'd take off my hair... well, maybe I'll just shave my head...

:party: :toast: :party: :toast:

[SmileMaker]

17. Kerry calling for an audit of machines!

Provisional ballots critical too-changed polling places, processes made it harder to vote, 90,000 + votes not cast for Pres,

[KaliTracy]

19. calling for investigation of allegations

Kerry evidently has drafted a letter to send to , 88 counties, (88 board of elections )--

involved numbers that potentially could change outcome.

1. 92,000 votes not counted (spoiled ballots) --

2. Judge (conally) -- got 200,000(?) more votes

looking for non-partisan investigation of software.

3. Provisional ballots -- different standards for these. The level of votes rejected were twice the number of votes rejected (though there weren't used in 2000 -- but twice the number of the ballots rejected)

(Sounds like they are asking for each BOE to answer the questions that Blackwell didn't).

[Virginian]

303. I think you mean Undervotes, not Spoiled ballots

Undervotes are where the ballot is good, there is just no vote for the particular office, in this case, no vote for President.

A spoiled ballot is one that should go in the trash, but has to be counted just to make the count of ballots come out right.
Precinct is issued 100 ballots, they need to return 100 ballots. If someone says I made a mistake, may I start over, A fresh ballot is issued and the ballot with the mistake is said to be spoiled.

[Wordie]

21. Whoa!!! Is this for real?????? Who is it who is reporting this????

[SueZhope]

45. TUNE IT ON AAR

http://www.airamericaradio.com/shows/lauraflanders/

[Wordie]

63. Not everyone can get that...please keep us updated!

[Greybnk48]

Somebody explain!!!!!!!!!!!!

I jusrt signed on---what's going on!!!!!!!!!!

[George W. Hayduke]

22. kick

[TexasChick]

24. Okay, Ohioans. March, march, march! Show Kerry the support! Show

the Ukraine that we can do it too! :toast:

[Patsy Stone]

25. OK

So let me get this right.

I was right all along? Really? I'm not psychotic? I felt all along that things were going to plan. Just a nagging feeling all the time that everything was supposed to happen when it was supposed to happen, and not a moment before.

I knew that the man that took down BCCI and Iran-Contra had a plan. Wow. I'm gonna go get a drink. Come on, they're on me! :)

[Greybnk48]

79. I just called my sister aka debbie downer

and told her to stop telling people in the family to talk to me about my obsession with the failed election. Boy was that call fun!!!!!!!!!

[Patsy Stone]

87. Cheers!

It's beginning to look a lot like Christmas... :)

[faithnotgreed]

308. right on! and your post made me smile.... nt

[bleever]

112. Cheers!

Clink!

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

:party: :7 :party: B-) :7 :party: :party: :7 B-) :party:

[Patsy Stone]

167. Clinky!

:toast: :toast:

I'm using up my lifetime supply of smilies tonight, but damn I feel GOOD!!! Oh my, oh my, oh my.

[Kellis]

206. Cheers to all of Us!!

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

HA~gotta love those smilies.

[KenCarson]

146. yay! yay! super yay!

...

[Clark2008]

210. My first clue wasn't even Kerry, per se...

it was the fact that Wesley Clark steeled into the Middle East for two weeks (and is still there) and didn't mention why he was there.

I know he's at some three-day symposium with The Big Dawg in Dubai, but that doesn't take two weeks...

I always thought Clark would be State or NSA or some sort of security advisor for Kerry. I knew the gig wasn't up when I heard Clark was there. I knew Kerry was doing some research and that his "shadow cabinet" was still, well, "shadow cabineting."

I haven't finished reading this thread - is the Kerry/Jackson letter available anywhere?

[TrustingDog]

233. remember Elizabeth Edwards post here a while back...

about being patient...

:)
well, I was just about out of it, but maybe this is IT!!!!!
::crosses fingers/toes/eyes, dogs toes, etc.::

[seabeyond]

242. dont forget arms and legs

funny you we go thru all this when the kids have a huge wish. lol lol

[meganmonkey]

OMG, I forgot about that thread!!

I coulda used a reminder a few times the last couple weeks when this forum was i'm-depressed-and-i-give-up land!!!

[rockedthevoteinMA]

292. Here's the quote:

I included it in some of my Christmas cards:

"A little patience, and we shall see the reign of witches pass over, their spells dissolve, and the people, recovering their true sight, restore their government to its true principles. It is true that in the meantime we are suffering deeply in spirit, and incurring the horrors of a war and long oppressions of enormous public debt......If the game runs sometimes against us at home we must have patience till luck turns, and then we shall have an opportunity of winning back the principles we have lost, for this is a game where principles are at stake."

[KerryReallyWon]

298. The Quote

The quote is as fitting today, as it was when Thomas Jefferson said it in 1798. Did you say Elizabeth said it? Jefferson said it first. I used the quote too, and had a lot of commnets about how
"erie" it was when you read it thinking it is a quote made for today. It is very old, but still fits.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

301. Yes it's from Thomas Jefferson but when I first started

lurking right after nov.2, she had posted it for everyone. It is very fitting - it's frightening to realize how true those words are still today.

[jamboi]

27. 3 points from letter according to Flander's guest (Bonifaz?)

1) 92,000 votes not counted
2) Optical scanners vote shifting? request nonpartisan observers
3) Each county handlig provisional ballots differently

Appearently Kerry had a conference call w/ Jackson & Arnebeck and drafted a letter to go out tommorrow.

[Duer 157099]

31. yeah, who was that guest?

It didn't sound like Bonifaz, sounded like the guy from AAR who was at the Conyers hearing.

[Stand and Fight]

44. That's right. Steve Rosenthal I think. n/t

[Duer 157099]

47. Right, the producer from AAR

thought I recognized that voice

edit: "old school thuggery" yep, that's the guy

[Guarionex]

229. I KNOW Bonifaz personally

I know him personally...actually visited his home...he's an upright guy...if he's onboard...Bush better be planning what curtains to be using in jail...

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :toast: :toast: :toast: :pals:

[selmo7]

254. He certainly was an OUTSTANDING presence

at the Conyers forum. Solid Solid Solid -

I feel so much GRATITUDE for all these wonderful, caring and very intelligent people on this.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

290. Please tell him we think he was FAB!!

One of the most powerful statements of the hearing! YaHOOO!!!

[zann725]

312. I was particularly impressed with Bonifaz at last Monday's Hrg.

He's clearly an excellent litigator, who presents his case and its details well. And he had such "passion" for justice. So I heartily agree with your assessment of his abilities. Congratulate him, and thank him for his efforts!

[angrydemocrat]

38. I Love It

Hell Kerry is suppose to be on vaction! WOW He is on Vacation all right LOL!

[BlueStateBlue]

293. He'd better rest up - he's got a busy 4 years ahead!!

Heck, eight maybe...

[angrydemocrat]

296. It was said when they made that last stop

in Iowa to thank his supporters that Teresea and him were going on vacation to Idaho (I think was the right place) for his Birthday. He was on vacation all right LOL! This man is smart as hell. A hell of alot smarter than people ever give him credit for. He knows what the hell he is doing LOL! That is why I have always trusted and had the upmost respect for this man. He is A true America hero!

[zann725]

313. It's gonna take two terms to straighten out Shrub's mess!

He'll be an excellent two-term President, I'm sure.:bounce:

[Wordie]

41. If its Bonifaz that is very good. Seemed VERY smart at the Conyers' forum.

I just can't believe this!!! Has it hit any other sort of media yet??? Because something this big would be hard for them to ignore.

[jamboi]

86. Think it was AAR producer instead of Bonifaz (Steve Rosenthal?)

[rainbow4321]

153. YAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[understandinglife]

263. John Bonifaz -- National Voting Rights Institute

John Bonifaz, founder and general counsel, formerly served as the staff attorney for the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Responsive Politics, a leading research authority on the influence of private money in federal elections. He is the co-author, with Jamin Raskin, of articles in the Yale Law & Policy Review and the Columbia Law Review, which set forth the constitutional basis for the Institute’s affirmative litigation work.

http://www.nvri.org/about/who.shtml

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[understandinglife]

272. Jon Bonifaz on Iraq....

...link:

http://news.findlaw.com/hdocs/docs/iraq/doebush21303cmp.pdf

<snip>
"A coalition of plaintiffs, including United States soldiers, parents of United States soldiers, and Members of the United States Congress, hereby bring this action challenging, under Article I, § 8 of the United States Constitution, the authority of Defendant President George W. Bush and Defendant Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld (hereinafter “Defendants”) to wage war against Iraq, absent a clear declaration of war by the United States Congress."
<snip>
Respectfully submitted,
JOHN DOE, I, et al.,
By their Attorneys,
____________________________________
John C. Bonifaz (BBO #562478)
Cristobal Bonifaz (BBO #548405)
LAW OFFICES OF CRISTOBAL BONIFAZ
9 Revere Street
Jamaica Plain, MA 02130
[phone]
and
48 North Pleasant Street
P.O. Box 2488
Amherst, MA 01004
[phone]
Prof. Margaret Burnham (BBO #066200)
Northeastern Univ. School of Law
400 Huntington Avenue
Boston, MA 02115
[phone]
Max D. Stern (BBO #479560)
Stern Shapiro Weissberg & Garin
90 Canal Street
Boston, MA 02114-2022
[phone]
<snip>

13 February 2003

Mr Bonifaz is a serious champion of our Constitution and our American franchise of democracy.

Peace.

"When Did Bush Know?"

[SaintAnne]

29. this is giving me a lot of hope!

I hope I hope I hope. maybe I'll pray again for the third time this month... maybe maybe

[lip-sink]

48. warning shot

seems to me that this is kerry announcing what he considers to be his minimal standards for the recount, and that, if these are "abrogated" that he will be fully justified to take "further measures" (perhaps "serious consequences" may be inferred as well) in the form of the redress which a post-recount legal process may afford him

[KaliTracy]

33. Flanders on Air America discussing FRAUD

http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

to those just coming in... this is where we're getting it

[fearnobush]

37. OK, before I explode with joy about this, can we get some confirmation?

I want to explode, really, just need some real proof. It would mean that Kerry was really watching our backs.

[bj2110]

46. Pretty much what I heard... !!!! n/t

[angrydemocrat]

54. ..........ummm

Unused Machines? I thought Kathrine Hackwell said they used all the machines they had available.

[KaliTracy]

65. November 16 Columbus Free Press Reported on the unused Machines

but MSM is just now picking it up (the # has changed, though)

"One telling piece of evidence was entered into the record at the Saturday, November 13 public hearing on election irregularities and voter suppression held by nonpartisan voter rights organizations. Cliff Arnebeck, a Common Cause attorney, introduced into the record the Franklin County Board of Elections spreadsheet detailing the allocation of e-voting computer machines for the 2004 election. The Board of Elections’ own document records that, while voters waited in lines ranging from 2-7 hours at polling places, 68 electronic voting machines remained in storage and were never used on Election Day."


http://www.freepress.org/columns/display/3/2004/990

[jdog]

57. I think I heard he was an Ohio

newspaper reporter (?).

[Wordie]

51. Nominated for homepage and someone should post info in LBN.

...people need to know about this!!!!

[Obviousman]

58. I nominated too

[crispini]

53. Ee hee hee, "people are sitting in the next room

signing affadavits to be filed tomorrow at 9 am" re Greene county lockdown on Friday.

"This is politically thuggery."

[rumpel]

55. This is great!

:)

[Duer 157099]

56. Steve Rosenfeld in Columbus, watching affidavits being taken?

He said he was sitting in a church were people were writing affidavits (?) to be submitted tomorrow, didn't catch whether he meant submitted with Arnebeck's case, or to the Conyers' gang

[Obviousman]

70. Here's a link from another DU post

I don't know if it helps
Ohio Recount Affidavit - Richard Hayes Phillips
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x146180

[Farmgirl]

60. Does anyone know if we can get a copy of this letter?

Or is it kept under "lock and key" until it goes out tomorrow? Anyone have any possible links, other than AAR?

I too, nominate this for home page......

[Twist_U_Up]

66. wont be mailed till tomaroow. nt

[loritooker]

61. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[MelissaB]

149. and a Yipppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

from Alabama!!
Please, oh please!!

[Carolab]

62. Is there someone who can explain, coherently, what is going on?

All I see is a bunch of yippee, hoo hah and not much else.

[Twist_U_Up]

69. Kerrys questioning the Count !!!!!!!!

Wants to have a bipartisan company investigate the machines

[bemis12]

73. Well, Kerry wrote a letter.

Frankly, I'm not sure how much it means, but it's good to see him involved.

It raised various points, all of which have been detailed here on DU.

There's not much new- either we win the recount, or we lose the election.

[intelle]

83. Actually there is something new here

Kerry wants the machines themselves investigated. And, he didn't leave this to Jackson to do himself.

This is definitely very good news.

[sandnsea]

99. Not entirely true

If the election can be proven to have been handled so badly that it's impossible to say it reflected the will of the voters, there can be a revote. I think that's part of what contesting an election is about, which I think is where we're at in the process.

[bemis12]

105. I still don't think

that the Constitution has the mechanics in place for a revote. That's the one scenario that I'm sure isn't happening.

If Ohio is screwed up, they'd just send two set of electors, and congress would decide. I wonder which set the Republican controlled congress would accept?

[jamboi]

141. Possibly true. n/t

[sandnsea]

144. Fistacuffs in the Congress?

That'd be cool. You're probably right though. It would be nice if this country would come to its senses some time soon.

[Guarionex]

239. don't despair guys

If the Republicans in Congress try some funny business with electors even though the People have spoken...I'll personally be conducting daily protests...and I hope all of you will take to the streets too..

They can't win if we do a Ukraine here...I don't care WHAT the Constitution says on Electors....the People rule!

[zann725]

314. That's exactly what Arnebeck said on Randi Rhodes on Friday.

He said that he FIRMLY believed that if evidence of Fraud was shown (via his lawsuit), that 'the people' would NOT tolerate the current election results. He said he believes in the will of the people that much.

[wildflower]

147. Maybe so...but at the very least it would be bye-bye "mandate", yes? n/t

[Geek_Girl]

217. No Matter What

* is going to do what he wants wether he has a mandate or not.

[marylanddem]

230. Unless the people of this country

are willing to do EVERYTHING humanly possible to protect this fragile democracy of ours. Including taking to the streets in the MILLIONS.

[Guarionex]

240. I'm with you...

IF credible evidence is brought up contesting the election...I'm taking to the streets...

Give me the ammo, Kerry and Dems...and we'll go out to the streets and not return until we have a Ukraine HERE in America!

[hootinholler]

207. Since it;'s a States Rights issue..

wouldn't a revote be up to the Ohio Supremes? They just have to have the votes in DC by the 6th, I think.

[Red State Blues]

299. I'm not a lawyer but...

I don't think Ohio can have a revote for a NATIONAL election w/out the entire country revoting. Yes there are revotes being done but they are all local.

[BattyDem]

64. No, no ... don't do this to me ... don't get my hopes up ...

I swear I'm going to have a breakdown before this is all over.

Seriously, is this for real?? :bounce:

[angrydemocrat]

74. LOL

It Is Pretty Damn Exciting!! My husband and daughter said I'm going crazy LOL!

[rumpel]

71. I am going to write Waxman and Boxer to support the recount

support the 51 Capital March and of course Kerry!

[ccarter84]

78. Way to go, we need one senator right?

...does kerry count?

[Obviousman]

80. lol, I think he would

[Greybnk48]

89. is it true?

that the bluestates may withhold their electoral votes?

[pilgrimsoul]

91. He's Baaaaaack!!!!

Oh man, I cannot wait for this to hit the news! The MSM can't ignore us anymore once Kerry steps into the fray. Can't wait to read what Kerry's letter says. What is that vaguely familiar feeling bursting in my chest -- could it be HOPE?! Hell, yeah!!! Democracy in America is not dead yet, friends.

[SaveAmerica]

110. HOPE IS ON THE WAY!!!

After the crash of Black Tuesday II, I'm so wary of getting my hopes up but I can't help it.

[seito]

82. Yes

It would be better coming from another Senator. We got hundreds of signatures today to petition Boxer. I think there is a good chance she will stand on this one.

[marlakay]

84. I live in CA what is Boxer's email address? n/t

[AntiFascist]

93. You can go to....

http://boxer.senate.gov/contact/webform.cfm

[jamboi]

97. Go to http://boxer.senate.gov/

http://boxer.senate.gov/

[marlakay]

145. Thanks I sent her a long email

and told her I quit my job and worked full time on the campaign and if our leaders don't stand up for us it is like a slap in the face to all of us who gave so much. I also said I voted for her because she is a fighter and I want to see that fight tomorrow! and I ended it with I will pray for you, the right doesn't own God!

[angrydemocrat]

96. Glad To See You Here Seito

Hate for you to miss all the excitement! Where's Faye

[seito]

111. Hey AngryDemocrat

I am so totally psyched. We have always know this day would come. It just feels so great to finally be here.

:grouphug:

[angrydemocrat]

LOL ! - Seito

We always believed!!!:grouphug:

[Guarionex]

244. It's like in the movies

I feel like Rocky...beaten...but getting up to win the fight!!!!

EYE OF THE TIGER!!!!! EYE OF THE TIGER!

[mattclearing]

101. How about Jeffords? How funny would that be?

eom

[ccarter84]

109. well done seito

I live in D.C. so if you can think of something I could do besides just walking up to their office and saying Hi, let me know

[seito]

128. I imagine there will be some big events coming up in DC

If you can get out, please do. The more we are seen, the more will join our ranks. As far as petitions, write your Senator and Representative directly. Hell, write all of them.

[ccarter84]

118. is it required to be a member of the new session

of congress of the old one...cuz it'd be hilarous if this was daschle's last hurrah

[Horse with no Name]

88. My guess is

That with his time in the Senate, Kerry has some political capital of his own to spend...will probably have one of his colleagues step up.

[hootinholler]

98. I hope it's Byrd. nt

[bleever]

125. I second that. Byrd's a true statesman and protector of the Constitution.

[dweller]

152. me too.

if anyone would know the correct Senatorial procedure for this, it would be him.


dp

[rumpel]

198. Yes, waving the Constitution!

:)

[senseandsensibility]

103. Interesting.

Could you expand on that a little? Could you be referring to Senator Kennedy?

[Horse with no Name]

139. That would be my guess.

But its possible there are others.

[TexasChick]

104. Rumor has it that Kerry has friends in high places like Chimp does! n/t

[KerryReallyWon]

300. A Senator to support recount?

I thought the senator from ohio was singed on to support the recount already?

[xiamiam]

85. get ready coz here we come ..Kerry has made his move...

I've been waiting for this...perfect timing...

[DoYouEverWonder]

120. OMG

Tommorrow is going to be even better than I expected.

Unless, Osama suddenly shows up to bail out his old buddy? No wonder they didn't defrost him before the election.

[Patsy Stone]

131. FLASHING RED!!!!!!

OMG! You won't be able to hear anything tomorrow what with the alarm bells and air raid sirens going off. We'll all probably be asked to stay inside. And they will turn off all of the electricity. :)

[mary195149]

142. Get prepared,

the neo-cons will be declaring marshall law tomorrow.

[hootinholler]

194. If that's true then how ironic would this quote be?

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gives all Americans another reason to be proud of our country. The work of equality is not done because the evil of bigotry is not finally defeated. Yet the laws of this nation and the good heart of this nation are on the side of equality. And as Dr. King reminded us, "We must not rest until the day when justice rolls down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream." - W

-Hoot

[Patsy Stone]

203. That's beautiful.

I wonder if he was paraphrasing:

"The onrush of a conquering force is like the bursting of pent-up waters into a chasm a thousand feet deep." - Sun Tzu, The Art of War.

[Guarionex]

246. with what troops?

what policeman and troops are going to enforce a martial law that seems unfair or unconstitutional....

They better defect and join the masses!

[intelle]

143. Patsy...LOL!!

thanks for making me laugh. Needed it!

:hi:

[Patsy Stone]

158. It's getting good.

Get out the popcorn and the Vizqueen. :)

[ginnyinWI]

222. LOL--me too, couldn't stop laughing, so

I had to take a break and go load the dishwasher...ok I'm better now!

:D :7 :hi:

[proudtobeadem]

183. LOL, OMG I almost pe*d my pants

that was so funny I just had to stop reading to post!! :))

[Patsy Stone]

191. Cheers!

Just wait. The title of tomorrow's PDB:
Kerry Determined to Strike Back at the US Election

He won't read that one either. :)

[SueZhope]

157. YUP....Timing is everything n/t

[lonestarnot]

213. PAAAAAAAARRRRRRRTTTTTTTY! TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMEEEEEEEEEEE

YEAH!!!!!!!

[helderheid]

90. OMG!!

I am literally wiping tears of joy and hope away!!! I pray this is true!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Kellis]

178. yeah~

me too-Im crying.Im so excited -over joyed.I had such a dissapointing day and now to hear this is too much.

[senseandsensibility]

94. OMG

I get off DU for a few hours to go bake some Christmas cookies, and all hell breaks loose! I am SO hoping that this pans out!:)

[angrydemocrat]

107. I was getting ready to get off DU

Right before this happen. I'm glad I didn't now. To damn excited to go anywhere now!

[proudtobeadem]

186. I've been on all day and

the minute I leave to get food everything happens!!!

[TayTay]

140. OMG -- I know what you mean

I haven't shouted OMG that many times since I was a newlywed.

This is awesome! Thanks Big Guy! You do the old home state proud!

[MelissaB]

162. Now that made me laugh out loud!! nt

[meganmonkey]

181. Hey, I want a cookie!!!

Please?

:)

[senseandsensibility]

187. Everyone's invited to my house for

cookies and bubbly when this thing pans out, baby!!!:bounce:

[meganmonkey]

197. YeeeeHaaaawwww!

:bounce:

[dogindia]

295. i just went out a bought some cookies.

CELEBRATE....COME ON.

It is hard to grin and eat cookies at the same time.

[Obviousman]

100. I've been skeptical of this whole voter fraud

story, but this is making me a believer. What we need to realize is that the crashing wave of the right-wing media is about to come full steam on us. Up to this point it was an underground movement, now its mainstream. Everyone needs to realize that this is going to be a very bumpy ride, and we need to pressure the media accordingly.

[Patsy Stone]

106. Well put.

Rovian psyops commencing. Be vigilant!

[noamnety]

135. When it gets ugly

Just remember, it's a good thing. It means they are done ignoring, and done laughing, they've moved on to fighting.

[Patsy Stone]

154. Correct.

Sun Tzu, where are you? It's not really getting real until it gets ugly.

[ginnyinWI]

225. Ghandi said it, actually n/t

[Patsy Stone]

245. Yes

I was refering to the strategery we're gonna need for the "fight part." :)

[Guarionex]

250. I don't know about you guys...

but I'm getting my martial arts weapons ready...don't own a gun...but, I'm preparing for this coming week..

Got my Samurai sword ready for tommorow...

[seabeyond]

113. bush has had four years mastering us not believing our eyes

but hte story he puts out. i saw the theft of election nov 2 in the evening. i knew when they went into yellow room at that point bush had stole it. said it out loud to a friend. cant convince me i didnt see what i saw

since it has been a twilight zone of knowing the election was stolen in a nation that didnt have a clue

it was stolen. i have no question. cannot get past that one point

[ccarter84]

114. Agreed, better yet though, we should

also make sure to support the people who have been on our side...mainly Keith O, and uh ... others in MSM who I may not know about
:bounce: for joy

[Kellis]

215. hey that reminds me

shouldn't we be alerting the media and Keith O about this!

[intelle]

117. Thanks for reminding us!

Getting myself prepared to go into "pressure mode".

:hi:

[vessel44]

123. I completely agree with you on this...

Most of us here, whether believers or skeptics, are no strangers to the idea that the 2004 election may have been fraudulent. If this hits the mainstream in a big way tomorrow it will be hitting most people completely out of the blue and things could get pretty ugly as a result...

[lateo]

108. I have the text of the letter here...

I conceded already. Bush won...time to Move On and get behind the President and his mandate.
Love,
John Kerry

[ccarter84]

115. wrong...but shows where you're at

[lateo]

129. We will see.

I'm not holding my breath that Kerry is fighting for us.

[crispini]

119. wrong forum for that, dude. n/t

[senegal1]

133. no no that was the last letter -- this one here is the new improved

one! Put on the seatbeats folks -- we are at the fighting stage!

[genieroze]

155. Get out of here. lol eom

[Name removed]

190. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[lateo]

212. I did?

Funny...I have been here since February 2001. I'm just now being outed?

[sweetladybug]

235. lateo, you must not have much faith in John Kerry. Did you vote for him?

I did vote for him and I KNEW he would not let the Republicans steal another election. NO political party should be allowed to get by with stealing elections and controling our country like this bunch of lying conning crooks have done because this is nothing more than a dictatorship and Bush is the top DIC and every damn one to them need to spend their remaining days behind bars!

[rehema]

116. Hmmm.. Blackwell said in 2000 that BOE..

Blackwell said in 2000, ".. it's up to county boards of elections to investigate voting irregularities, and the secretary of state's office stands by as a resource.
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/02/19/loc_fairfield_councilman.html

[senegal1]

136. good point another blog pointed out that in 2000

blackwell said that Ohio laws says he must secure the voting records and by stopping public access he did secure them. Not sure if this is a true report or not. I am sure there is weasle room here.

[Wordie]

124. Just checked the AAR blog for the show. Nobody is talking about a letter,

except two people who are wondering what all the fuss is over at DU. So what is really going on???

[ccarter84]

148. ok, scaling back to cautious optimism

do we have more reports of what this letter is?/independant verifications that it really will be sent and exists?

[femme.democratique]

160. I started listening around 7:15 or so...

And I definitely heard something about a letter from Kerry, though no info about what it said. I think many people may have missed the first segment?

[SueZhope]

165. They mentioned a letter coming from Kerry

Jackson spoke to Kerry via phone

Was there 11 questions?

[jmknapp]

192. Jackson/Kerry phone tag

Thing is, at his speech in Columbus a couple weeks ago Jackson mentioned speaking with Kerry by phone about such matters, but that didn't mean that Kerry had officially endorsed anything. The letter based on what is posted here sounds more like Jackson/Arnebeck talking points than Kerry talking points. For example,to allege that there are enough miscast votes to overturn the election results goes against all Kerry has been saying for weeks.

What is the probability that the letter will include Kerry's signature?

[femme.democratique]

201. At this stage...

I'm more likely to be optimistic, which is unlike me. I didn't hear the entire context of the conversation - does someone have the archive of the show up yet? I can't imagine that everyone would be reading too much into it.

[helderheid]

126. Gotta kick this. I am so excited about tomorrow!

[madison2000]

127. Kerry letter to us

When the road gets dark
And you can no longer see
Just let my love throw a spark, baby
Have a little faith in me

When the tears you cry
Are all you can believe
Just give these loving arms a try, baby
Have a little faith in me

Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me

When your secret heart
Cannot speak so *easily*
Come here darlin'
From a whisper start
To have a little faith in me

When your back's against the wall
Just turn around, you will see
I will catch ya, I will catch your fall
Just have a little faith in me

Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me
Have a little faith in me

Well, I've been loving you for such a long, long time baby
Expecting nothing in return
Just for you to have a little faith in me
You see time, time is our friend *for you and me*
Cause for us there is no end
All you gotta do is have a little faith in me
I said I will hold you up, I will hold you up
Your strength gives me enough
So have a little faith in me
Hey baby, oh, baby
All ya gotta do is have a little faith in me
All ya gotta do is have a little faith in me
A little faith in me

[shraby]

156. If fraud is proven, wouldn't that negate

if not the whole election, but at the least Ohio's outcome?
Something gained by fraud is not retained.

[ramapo]

166. Unlikely

There's no legal remedy that allows for doing part of a national election over again. The best that could happen would be for Ohio's Republican electors to be so horrified that they vote for Kerry. Can you say unlikely? I don't think you'll see a Democratic slate of electors in Ohio.

Now say Kerry was declared the "winner" and was somehow inaugurated as President. Imagine the mayhem. The shit that Clinton went through would seem like a bubble bath compared to what would happen to Kerry.

The very best outcome would be an expose that makes Watergate look like shoplifting a pack of gum compared to the systematic election fraud committed by Republican operatives directed by the Bush/Cheney reelection committee with direction from the big guy(s). Never happen. They're not that careless.

[Samantha]

209. If Kerry proves he won the popular vote

The State of Ohio MUST change its slate of electors to reflect the result of the popular vote. It's in the State Constitution that's how the slate will be elected. The State of Ohio CANNOT change the way it chooses its electors AFTER election day. Before, yes. After, no. It would be a violation of the United States Constitution. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

There is no Constitutional authority for sending a Republican slate if the method by which the legislature chose to elect its slate hinged on the outcome of the popular vote and that popular vote margin went Democratic.

Yes, I know what the Florida legislature threatened in 2000. It was unconstitutional.

Read Boies new book, the chapter on Bush v. Gore. This is a black and white issue, not open to question.

[Guarionex]

255. screw legalistic procedure...

IF Fraud is proven, and the country doesn't have a national revote...and Bush electors DON'T vote Kerry...we will take to the streets and only a mass Tienanmen massacre is gonna stop us...

The Ballot or the Bullet, people...don't put your faith in Bush electors...put it in your hands...and you weapons....

Or we do it fairly and peacefully, or we rumble...YOUR CHOICE REPUKETARDS!

[JPJones]

161. It's also on Kos

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/12/12/195944/61#21

Not that this means anything.

Can anyone else confirm that this was stated on AAR?

[liam97]

163. yes it was

stated on AAR first by JJ and then Rosenfel that Kerry is sending a letter with an 11point plan including the 3 points mentioned. JJ mentioned something about Kerry requesting the BOE officials to say something under oath (wasn't real clear)

[shraby]

169. Kerry was a prosecutor and it looks like

he has his ducks in a row!!! Time to take it to trial.

[jsamuel]

164. nice

[KeireG]

170. Yes!

I heard the LF show. There was talk of the letter with the 11-point plan. There was also talk of the letter containing a request for election officials to testify under oath.

Edit: I remember something else that was discussed. Jesse Jackson talked to Kerry personally(via phone I believe) and TOGETHER THEY DRAFTED THE LETTER. It will be sent out tomorrow.

[mod mom]

168. Why hasn't this appeared anywhere else?

It should be so big! I am getting worried that we might be being duped.

[ccarter84]

171. maybe, heres the freep' thread

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1299997/posts

I feel dirty for going there...but they might be flailing..post came a few minutes after ours...good timing or a bit late to the game...

[Patsy Stone]

175. No surprise

I think they are here, now. :)

[ccarter84]

177. wondered what that smell was

:evilgrin:

[txindy]

214. Really? They're HERE?!

Shocking, I tell you! Simply shocking! They're so subtle, they're undetectable.

[Patsy Stone]

223. LOL

"I am shocked, SHOCKED to find there is gambling going on in here!"
:)

[femme.democratique]

176. The freeps can't even do simple math!

Duh....Kerry only needs 50K votes, just like he wished for you MORONS!

To: gopwinsin04
Is Kerry trying to paint himself as some kind of Democratic martyr like Al Gore has done? I hope he stays front and center as a spokesman for the Dems.

2 posted on 12/12/2004 5:41:50 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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92000 votes ain't gonna help him...



3 posted on 12/12/2004 5:42:19 PM PST by William of Orange (A perfect Rovian storm blew sKerry out of the Swift Boat)
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To: mainepatsfan
The recounts and Ohio Electoral College meets tomorrow, he has to kow tow one final time to Jesse Jackson and Conyers..



4 posted on 12/12/2004 5:42:55 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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To: William of Orange
All 92K votes going to Kerry still wont trigger the automatic state wide recount provosion, it is over!



5 posted on 12/12/2004 5:43:58 PM PST by gopwinsin04
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[Kellis]

196. Don't post that stuff here.

It isn't of interest nor is it welcome at DU.

[femme.democratique]

204. ??? Sorry?

Well, excuse me censor! Don't think I did anything offensive, but I'll take you at your word

[ccarter84]

231. too much of their thread for his tastes maybe

:shrug:

[New Earth]

228. omg they are so do DUMB

they think that after tomorrow, a recount or contest won't have any standing.


IDIOTSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
:puke:

[Eye_on_prize]

265. I love hearing freepers saying things like this...

"If that happened, you can bet there would be a full investigation by the gop as to where these votes came from, where they were all this time, do they match up with the registration numbers, etc etc etc. There would be a million questions and unless there were rock solid, SANE answers to them, they would be deemed as fraudulent and rightly so."

and

"Watch the 'rats very closely on this one. If they and their lawyers keep picking at this, it could blow up in our face."

These statements among themselves (if we can assume that;) reveal how tenuous they know their situation to really be ... when such concerns are voiced, you can sense the psychic wheels quickly spinning into Votergate Nightmars Zone.
In a weird way, this gives me hope.

[Guarionex]

275. hahah...they are acting defiant...

It's funny...they are lashing out at Jesse Jackson and Kerry...calling them names and calling for audits of their tax records...

the Republican cockroaches know their time is up and are FREAKING out! hahahahah

Onward, LIBERAL SOLDIERS!

[Alizaryn]

321. OMG WHY DID YOU SEND ME THERE????? I NEED TO GO

GET ILL.

[Patsy Stone]

173. By Laura Flanders?

I don't think so. The letter hasn't gone out yet. It goes tomorrow. Unless someone leaks it, we probably won't see it. Let's see what tomorrow brings. Or, at the rate we're going, maybe what the next 10 minutes brings. :)

[mod mom]

179. Not LP, but misinformation by a repug scum bag

[Patsy Stone]

249. Ohio News Network

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

[zann725]

315. No, it's true. I heard it on AAR too. Kerry's finally kickin' butt!

Better believe! :kick:

[Fescue4u]

172. It Said "theres only supposed to be 20 of you

"If you are one of the 68 phonies, I suggest that you leave now"

:)

[liam97]

174. The 88 refers to the

BOE officials of the 88 counties

[Fescue4u]

200. I figured it was no coincidence

But there are not 20 electors. There are 88 counties though.

[Catamount]

180. That's why we got a Kerry Tree yesterday.

[tandem5]

208. oh kerry tree oh kerry tree... n/t

[texpatriot2004]

294. That's the happiest tree to me. Thanks for the joy.

[Old Mouse]

193. Monday is going to be quite a show

We can expect to hear an awful lot about Michael Jackson's porn collection in the coming week.

[zann725]

316. And Scott Peterson's verdict...which (let me guess) will be announced

precisely at the moment that Arnebeck files his lawsuit in Ohio tomorrow!

[Twist_U_Up]

199. There Flanders just said it again.

KERRY BRINGING UP THE REAR

[lonestarnot]

211. OH HALLALUJA THERE IS A GOD!

I'M GOING TO DANCE IN THE STREET!!!!!!

[txindy]

218. It's all playing out very nicely. This is going to get goooooood!

[rumpel]

219. Guess what. Truthout Breaking News, US airstrikes in

Falloujah. Are the MSM's going to bombard us with Falloujah all day tomorrow instead of Ohio?

[Kellis]

226. I think KO

will be reporting on this tommorow fo' sho!

:bounce:

[intelle]

220. Kicking because this is such good news

:kick:

[stella2cat]

221. so maybe we get Christmas after all? n/t

[Quakerfriend]

251. Yaba, Daba, Doooooooooooooozy!

THis is so great! I think, though, we should be ready for the nasties to come out now. Let's take it to the streets folks (once again)!

[proudtobeadem]

224. Oh Happy Day! Oh Happy Day!!!!

[Peace Patriot]

227. PEOPLE, PLEASE CONFIRM WITH MORE DETAIL--ALL WHO HEARD IT!

I'm dying here!

1. Just a couple of people upthread heard this. Did they hear right? ALL WHO HEARD IT, PLEASE POST HERE!

2. I caught just the tail end of it. There were TWO GUESTS, both male. One was Steve Rosenthal (of AAR). The other? Bonifaz?

3. DID THEY SAY THAT KERRY SIGNED THE LETTER??? If so, this is big, big, big--as to potential nat'l news coverage and public consciousness. This will be Kerry's first official involvement, in person (not just K/E campaign in the process lawsuit). But if it was just a phone conference with Kerry--then it depends on these guys' word. I'm sure they wouldn't lie, but it makes a critical difference on coverage. What EXACTLY did you hear them say about this? Will the letter go under Kerry's SIGNATURE? Did they say "letter FROM Kerry"?

I cannot tell you how happy I am just to hear that Kerry is advising them, and is aware of the evidence and following things closely. But if this is true--that HE is sending the letter--I will be ecstatic!

And I don't care if we win or lose! There is a wild ride ahead! Look out! But what it means is that we may have a champion--in addition to all the heroes we already have! Someone with a lot to lose willing to stand up for our right to vote!

Secondly, it may save the Left and the Democratic Party, keep us together, keep us unified, save our great coalition of grass roots and Dem leadership, give us hope and reason to go on--win OR lose. It doesn't matter. If we don't have to fight the Dem party, then we might be able to save our democracy in the end!

And something else that's really, really, really, really important is that the news about this election get to KERRY VOTERS--the majority! Most don't know what happened! And national news like this is the only way they can find out quickly.

So, please, can we get clarification, and more detail and confirmation on what was said?

[senseandsensibility]

232. I second your request!

Didn't hear the broadcast, and would love to hear any details from anyone who did, no matter how small they may seem to you. Thanks in advance.

[intelle]

234. See thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x146655

[senseandsensibility]

285. Thanks

mt

[meganmonkey]

278. See this link - c/o Patsy Stone several posts above

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.


The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign.

[senseandsensibility]

287. Thanks!

:) You got my back!!

[jamboi]

236. We'll have to wait to hear it again. Kerry will pro'ly continue to walk

ambivalent line, although it may be that circumstances will force his hand. I heard the main part (see 3 points post above), but would like a transcript.

[Duer 157099]

252. does the show replay?

or does it get archived immediately somewhere online?

I heard it, but was so stupid to not start recording it.

I was multitasking at the time, so wouldn't sign an affidavit about what I heard, except I do recall Flanders making the point that "the post office doesn't work on Sunday" and so the comment that the letter would be sent today must mean that it will be sent tomorrow.

The first guest who was on, was it Jackson? If so, that's more or less the horse's mouth, if he co-drafted the letter.

The question really becomes: did Kerry actually sign the letter, or is it coming from one of his attorneys?

[elizm]

256. I heard it as well...

If I remember correctly, it was Jesse Jackson at the beginning of the hour that first mentioned the letter that he had spoken with Kerry about and that was coming out tomorrow. Flanders seemed just as floored as you all are. I'm just trying not to get too excited...but I DID hear the part about it being enough votes involved to change the outcome...although I don't recall who said that...it was all coming so fast and furious!

[dweller]

237. here's a news source

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x146655

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

isn't this the same info?

dp

[intelle]

243. Yes, this is the same info n/t

[skids]

238. Jeez I take a 2 HOUR NAP and the whole craphouse caves in.

But this is a very good thread to wake up to :-)

Maybe my latest fortune cookies were right!

[SueZhope]

261. speaking of those fortune cookies sometimes they work

Years ago I was unjustly sued by a wacko I was doing business with
The night before we had our day in court I had a cookie the fortune was

"You will emerge victoriously from the maze you have been traveling in"
I did....it was true

Just last week I got that one again.......I new it was for Kerry..I HOPE

[darkism]

280. I KNOW! I just woke up too!

What GLORIOUS NEWS to wake up to!

PRESIDENT KERRY! WE'VE GOT YOUR BACK!

[rndmprsn]

291. my fortune cookie from tonights dinnner said...

"a refreshing change is in your future", i liked it so much i put it in my wallet even before i heard about this... =]

[Patsy Stone]

247. Did someone post this ONN article yet?

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

"The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend."

[gordianot]

248. Please be true.

My son has agreed to eat humble pie if it is true.

I was told a long time ago (November 3, 2004 a life time ago) this was a Trojan Horse strategy to wait December 13 for the first move.

At this point I know how Cassandra must have felt.

Kerry is smart he would make an excellent President.

[intelle]

253. "Kerry is smart he would make an excellent President."

I love it! Yes indeed!

:headbang:

[il_lilac]

259. Just got back from Springfield rally

Felt a little disappointed in turnout (about 50 ppl), but happy to have gone. This has made my day!:party:

[senseandsensibility]

264. Thanks for getting off your rear

and going to the rally. You protested in my name and the name of many others on this board. Feel good about what you did today, and what is beginning to unfold here.:toast:

[Diane R]

257. Something the Edwards said on Larry King

Larry King asked John and Elizabeth if she had heard from John Kerry (concerning her battle with breast cancer). They both looked at each other, and said that he calls 'every day'. At the time, I wondered if there weren't more reasons for him to call than to simply check on Elizabeth...although I am sure he wants to do that, too. Now I am thinking that it was probably a clue that John Kerry and John Edwards have been plotting strategy all along.

I also noted that the interview with John and Elizabeth was taped early in the day, and they did not take phone calls. Perhaps they did not want to have to answer any questions about election fraud?

[femme.democratique]

267. YES!

I was disappointed when they didn't take calls, knowing how much they seem to love to talk to the public I'd think they would love to take calls under NORMAL circumstances.....hmm, curiouser and curiouser

[Kellis]

271. I saw that too

and wondered at the time if it could possibly mean more.


NOW we know :toast:

[bardgal]

258. I want to be excited.....

But after getting slammed so hard in 2000 when the USSC got involved, I am just super doubtful that this will go anywhere.

I have NO DOUBT we won, Kerry was robbed BIG TIME, and the amount of fraud involved is beyond all of our comprehension. But I just don't see the MSM touching this AT ALL, nor do I see anyone in OH taking it seriously, true or not, and it won't matter if if JESUS HIMSELF wrote the damned letter.

I hope more than anything I am wrong!

[marylanddem]

260. Separate thread posted with news accounts

See "Kerry Asks for Visual Inspection of Ohio ballots" started by Dzika - Isn't this proof the story's real?

[dalloway]

262. kick kick kick n/t

[hootinholler]

268. So when does...

The man in the yellow hat arrive to spank the monkey?

[senseandsensibility]

270. LOL

That visual cracks me up every time!

[Revillusion1]

266. Ohio's 88 county boards of elections....

is what they were referring to. John Kerry is requesting that his witnesses have access to 11 items during the recount according to a letter to the boards from the Kerry camp.

It is, indeed a positive move...the more attention this receives from the mainstream media, the better. I still don't understand why they're dragging their asses on this...makes no sense.

Here's the link to the story:

http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

[pointsoflight]

273. 11 items...and its clearly been well thought out and planned. n/t

[Quakerfriend]

277. Betcha Blackwells halfway to the Mexican boarder!

IF they are going to start putting people under oath, someone has got a lot of 'splaining to do in OH. And, I bet the ladies in the BOE office can't wait to tell on their little fearless leader!!}(

[Revillusion1]

282. Let's hope they string Blackwell up before it's over!

[Amaryllis]

302. This is all wonderful, and there are some things we need to be doing..

We have to make sure they do a hand recount in OH!
From: http://www.stolenelection2004.com/alerts.html

The Green party is demanding a FULL recount and the Democrats are not sure if they will make that request yet. They might be satisfied with a 3% hand count and let the rest run through the same faulty machines! The local Ohio Boards of Elections different counties which makes the final decision will get "cover" if the Democrats are satisfied with 3%. For more info click here.

Tell the Dems that a full manual recount--and a full investigation of the voting machines-- is the only way to make sure every vote will count!

Contact: Contact the Ohio Dems 614-221-6563 (voice) 614-221-0721 (fax) email [e-mail];
The DNC: Phone [phone] and http://www.democrats.org/contact

AND

This is a copy of a resolution that was passed by the Oregon Dems and sent to all our legislators: http://www.dpo.org/news/documents/1780.html

See particularly this section:

"We encourage and will support our elected officials as follows:

U.S. Representatives Earl Blumenauer, Peter DeFazio, Darlene Hooley, David Wu, and Greg Walden we encourage and support

-a public and aggressive participation, alongside Congressional Representatives Conyers, Nadler, Wexler, Holt, Scott, Watt, Baldwin, Miller, Slaughter, Filner, Lee, Meeks, Olver, and Schakowsky in calling upon the Government Accountability Office (GAO), to perform a timely and thorough investigation into all voting irregularities nationwide
-a public pledge to challenge the electors from any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced

Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith, we encourage and support

-a public pledge to step forward and concur with any such challenges to state electors brought by members of the U.S. House of Representatives

Americans need assurances that their elected representatives are working with steadfast determination to ensure every vote is counted.

Your efforts to this end may be difficult and will likely be challenged by those currently satisfied with the perceived election results. However, for those who believe that America's promise of "liberty and justice" and a counted vote "for all" MUST be honored, your efforts will be recognized as nothing less than heroic."

I suggest that everyone writes and calls their legislators and asks them for the same. They all need to know we support them in challenging and are requesting that they challenge the electors from any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced. We need to do this asap so in the event that a recount or investigation shows Kerry won, or fraud is proved, our legislators know clearly what we want, and that we support them in any challenge.

There is also the Declaration of Intent Concerning Presidential Elecions http://thedeanpeople.com/ for legislators to sign, which ends :
"Therefore, in keeping with my oath of office, I publicly declare my intention to act on January 6th 2005 and object to any presidential electors that I believe to have been unlawfully appointed. To do less would make me complicit with a violation of our shared democratic principles."

There is also a pdf link to the Declaration of Intent at the bottom of
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/voteforum.html
which is the posting from the Conyers Forum last Wednesday.

[AmerDem]

269. Tomorrow can't come soon enough

This is great news. I can't wait for more details tomorrow.:bounce: :kick: :bounce:

[berni_mccoy]

274. YEEEAAARRRRGGHHHHH!! :dean scream:

Does this mean Senator Kerry will be one senator who signs the congressional petition to CONTEST THE ELECTION!!!!!????? WHOOOO HOOOOOO!!!

[frictionlessO]

276. say your prayers, do you ritual for day one has arrived!!

for the general public anyway.

Wife and I are celebrating! We're calling people getting the word out... Guess what America HOPE IS ON THE WAY!!!!!

in tears really really in tears...

Thank you DU!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[elizm]

279. TOO FUNNY!!

I've only been following DU since the elections...I heard the Laura Flanders show tonight and had to laugh out loud when I saw the HUGE number of replies to this thread in what seemed like a matter of minutes!! Euphoria abounds!!

[rumpel]

283. I think this need a new thread. It takes foreeeever to load

....but then again, it may be just me and my computer..:)

[senseandsensibility]

288. It's really slow for me too

nt

[elizm]

286. Hit the AP now!!!!

Kerry Lawyer Seeks Ohio Ballot Inspection

15 minutes ago Politics - AP


By MARK WILLIAMS, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites) is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.



The request is one of 11 the Kerry campaign made in a letter sent over the weekend to Ohio's 88 county boards of election, which will begin recounting presidential ballots this week.


"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign. But he added that several requests — such as using independent experts to check election equipment, "are trying to push the edge of envelope."


Two minor presidential candidates who received 0.30 percent of the votes in last month's election requested and paid for the recount, claiming that the election was full of irregularities that need to be addressed.


President Bush (news - web sites), a Republican, beat the Massachusetts senator by about 119,000 votes in Ohio on Election Day. Ohio's 20 electoral votes, which will be cast on Monday, put Bush over the top in the race.


Kerry's campaign supports the recount, while Bush's campaign has criticized it, but both sides agree it won't change the outcome of the election.


McTigue said the visual inspection is allowed under state law. The goal is to look for potential votes that were not registered by the tabulating equipment.


McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for the part of the recount that will be conducted by hand. McTigue said using the group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random sampling method.


The procedures require 3 percent of ballots to be counted by hand in each county. All the county's ballots would be counted by hand if the initial check turns up problems.


Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said state law will guide counties on how to conduct the recount.


"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms of a recount," he said.






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[Eye_on_prize]

322. "both sides agree it won't change the outcome of the election"??

I hadn't noticed this phrase being in the other versions of stories/releases (was it?). I mean, I know Kerry has said this in the recent past about the recount, but is it true that he has clearly re-stated this in current context of 'letter to OH BOEs'? anyone know.

[Farmgirl]

304. Okay -- I have a question to ask...

When you check all the MSM sources -- and google and UK Guardian, the same press release information comes up...question me this, who put out the press release and how did it hit MSM so-o-o quickly???

Do you see where I'm going with this question? Where am I going with this question? I mean, we work our butts off getting election fraud articles to MSM and day after day after day...virtually zilcho. Now granted, once Kerry or his attorney's come alive, there's more to the story...but the question remains ???

[Chili]

305. Damn!

I just WOKE UP!

Can't anybody sleep around here?

:bounce:

[bleever]

306. Hey Chili,

Just want to say thanks for your work, going back to early days after this election.

If you look at that classic statue of the Minuteman, dude, that's you. Thanks for being the ball.

[Chili]

309. *blushing*

So are you, we all are!

Even those who didn't dare to hope it would get this far. We were all so emotionally involved in this election, like never before. It was such a downer to lose, many just couldn't face getting that involved again. It's like learning to trust a spouse again who left and didn't come home for weeks. It's painful.

*thank you for the kind words*

[angrydemocrat]

307. Too Much Excitement To Sleep

TIME TO HAVE FUN NOW! LOL

[Chili]

310. you got that right!

There's no sleeping tonight, it's all going to start at 9:00... might as well stay up!

[Imagevision]

311. Never doubted it for a minute - just too frustrating though!!!damn it!

Can't wait for this Blackwell creep to be finally be put on a leash!

[suffragette]

317. AAR just had someone from Case Ohio on about this

She talked about the letter and the actions tomorrow.

This is my first post here. I've been lurking for a few weeks and reading the info where I could find it and watching Olbermann and talking with people about it, but had felt so up and down - hopeless one minute (mostly from the apathy of people who I knew cared deep down) and hopeful the next when I would talk to someone else who cared or when i would read posts here.

Glad to know so many other people care about justice.

[Horse with no Name]

318. Hi there

And welcome to DU!

Ain't it a grand day? (It's a flag, btw,lol)


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[suffragette]

319. thanks for the welcome

great flag

It looks like tomorrow (oops, guess I should say today) is gonna be a good one.
It's like that moment when you are looking at the jigsaw pieces and start to see where they all fit.
I have a feeling a lot of people will be having "aha" moments today.

[Twist_U_Up]

327. Ahh you`ve entered the real NO Spin Zone

welcome aboard

[Prana69]

320. Go for it JK - Aussies are with you!

Just want to say congrats to all DU participants for getting as far as you have with this campaign, and maintaining your rage.

This is great news. You should be very proud.

There are plenty of Aussies like me who know that Bush stole this election, and are watching and hoping that Kerry is finally doing what must be done - for all of us - not just the US.

Good Luck. And Buddha bless you all.

Prana69
Melbourne, Australia

[MelissaB]

326. Welcome Pranu69!

It's going to be a grand day!

:hi:

[ClintCooper2003]

323. As Martha Stewart would say, "It's a good thing!"

[lamp_shade]

324. kick..

[GetTheRightVote]

325. Hurray for Kerry, and boy is this great news after DC 51March

I went to the capital for the 51 Cap March, not enough people there but it felt good to chat all day with my fellow lefters, it makes the week go much better. Just getting in from ride back home (7 hours) when I saw this thread on DU whom I immediately signed in on upon arriving home. This is the best news and I too am in tears. My heart is jumping and I am so excited I can barely keep myself from a Dean Scream. This is going to be one of the best days of my life, thank you for the info.

[RadicalMom]

328. "God Bless Us, Every One!"

Was watching the last line of "A Christmas Carol" right about when I found this thread, believe it or not. My agnostic husband has promised to go to church to say thanks if Kerry gets in!

[ihelpu2see]

329. Nothing on J.Kerry's web site and no link to any news

of this on Air Americas Web site.. If Kerry is going to jump in he should be at Rep Conyers thing today!!!!

Dont get our hopes up to be dashed again.... find something concrete like a copy of the memo

[Amaryllis]

331. Letter posted on another thread!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss//duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x148987

"The Kerry Letter"