Kerry asks for visual inspection of Ohio ballots

[dzika]

FROM: Ohio News Network
http://www.onnnews.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682767

Kerry lawyer asks for visual inspection of some Ohio ballots

-snip-
COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections
officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000
ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a
Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of
the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this
week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process,"
said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry
campaign.

-snip-
McTigue said the visual inspection is allowed under state law. The
goal is to look for potential votes that were not registered by the
tabulating equipment.

Other requests include the use of independent experts to check the
programming and calibration of the election equipment, something
McTigue said has never been allowed.

McTigue also asked that counties accept the help of a group called
Votewatch to determine which precincts will be chosen for that part
of the vote that will be counted by hand. McTigue said using the
group will ensure that the ballots are selected using a valid random
sampling method.

[RevCheesehead]

1. Calling all Kerry-bashers: Your order of Crow is ready.

[CatWoman]

4. they are all in GD/Politics

frothing at the mouth :D

[trayfoot]

19. Excuse my ignorance - but I have to ask.......

What is GD-Politics?

[New Earth]

25. it's a forum on this board

General Discussion - Politics.

[AllyCat]

26. General Discussion/Politics

Can I have some good barbeque sauce or something with my crow? What do I do if I am a vegetarian?

Gawd, it's about freakin' time!! I've called a lot of people to tell them the good news since the MSM will not report this.

[ClassWarrior]

31. Yeah, didn't they all promise us mega Mea Culpas?

Well?...

<crickets chirping>

NGU.

[txindy]

47. We're going to be listening to crickets chirping for a loooong time

Because some people are never wrong.

[ClassWarrior]

53. Tis a sweet sound tho, tx...

LOL. Better than hearing their whining.

NGU.

[anamandujano]

37. standing by with the silver platter & parsley

it'll be the best meal of my life

[AmerDem]

39. I admit, I was very hard on Kerry

I was very disillusioned by the silence. I watched since 2000 how fraud was swept under the rug with hardly an ounce of effort to fight back, I thought we were headed down the same path. Once everything settles I will be the first in line to say I was wrong. Can't wait to see how things play out tomorrow!:kick:

[CatWoman]

2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I'm so giddy :D

I feel giddy......
Oh, so giddy...........

[New Earth]

3. i guess it's not old, sorry

i don't get this - that article says that the lawyer says 'it WON'T change the outcome'......

according to AAR report, he mentions 'numbers that could have an effect on the outcome of the election'....


WTFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
CAN ANY OF THESE PEOPLE JUST COME OUT AND SAY WHAT THEY MEAN?

[CatWoman]

5. it's dated 12/12/2004

[dzika]

7. Yahoo says that the story was posted 10 minutes ago.

Maybe it's an update of an old story? I haven't heard it before.

[dzika]

14. The page header says

that the page was last modified on Monday, Dec. 13th 2:46 GMT

[proudtobeadem]

13. It doesn't matter, the important thing is that it's

obvious that Kerry think there was fraud -if not he would not be asking to look at the machines.

[havocmom]

17. Kerry thinks there was fraud AND he is not happy with lock-downs and

GOP operatives who think they can decide that ballots are no longer public property! That BS cannot be allowed to stand and set a precedent.

[ClassWarrior]

32. It's a kabuki dance, Faye. WE know what they mean...

NGU.

[Old and In the Way]

33. It WON'T change the outcome.....

Until it DOES.

[New Earth]

36. lol, i like it when you say it like that...

[bunny planet]

59. Those lines are to keep the wolves at bay, you've got to keep adding

'doubtful it will change the outcome of the election,' or ' of course, we don't think this will have any effect on the outcome of the election,' ' there is virtually no chance that this will alter the results of this election,' ad nauseum to keep them from being in your face while you try to CHANGE THE RESULTS OF THIS F**CKING ELECTION. But that is new saying 'could have an effect on the outcome of the election.'

Who knows, I've got to go to sleep.

Ciao Keep all your toes and fingers crossed.

[Nothing Without Hope]

61. And if the valid outcome was Kerry's victory?

As others have pointed out, that phraseology can be parsed in different ways depending on what you are hoping for.

[MsConduct]

6. Wow! You can knock me over with a feather, I was sure that

Kerry had just drifted of into the sunset...This is something that I don't mind being wrong about.

[CatWoman]

10. I like caution and deliberation in a man

;-)

[MsConduct]

22. I can appreciate those qualities also. It's just when something

reeks, I like quick and loud responses to it! LOL

[Nothing Without Hope]

62. ...and TIMING. Don't forget TIMING.

Kerry has been a bulldog prosecutor of very big and dirty outfits. He knows about how to time his moves.

[lonestarnot]

12. KERRY! KERRY! KERRY!

I'm almost afraid to wake up tomorrow!

[MsConduct]

24. LOL, I know just what you mean! n/t

[meganmonkey]

44. I'll be lucky if I get any sleep tonight!!!

What do you do when booze AND pot don't work?! HELP!

[Lerkfish]

27. I don't mind eating crow...

if it means he's finally doing something.

[MsConduct]

29. Me either. I'll take mine roasted please, with mushrooms and

asparagus.

[seafan]

8. Very, very sweet indeed.

Keep chipping away at these criminals.

[Goldeneye]

9. I'm so fricking excited

and nervous.....and I'm listening to sandstorm, which gets me totally wired

[Califooyah Operative]

11. calm calm calm excited calm calm calm....nt

[SaintAnne]

15. I'm so excited. If my roomie wasn't republican I'd dance around!

[MarkusQ]

49. Have you tried talking to your Republican roommate?

Talk to you roommate about honesty and integrity, about the importance of good govenment and free elections for everybody.

Who knows, maybe you can dance together!

--MarkusQ

[dzika]

16. Don't forget about Blackwell

He isn't finished with us yet.

A quote from the end of the story:

-snip-
McTigue would not speculate how many of the items the counties will
honor.

"Several requests are trying to push the edge of envelope," he said.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell,
said state law will guide counties on how to do the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms
of a recount," he said.

[ailsagirl]

21. Katherine is looking guiltier all the time

Can't you imagine her sweating bullets over this thing?
The floodgates are starting to open... :)

She can't fight everyone

[jamboi]

41. Yeah, expect a fight, but this is great news. n/t

[Clark2008]

18. Also in the Akron Beacon Journal

COLUMBUS, Ohio - Democrat John Kerry is asking county elections officials to allow his witnesses to visually inspect the 92,000 ballots cast in Ohio in which no vote for president was recorded, a Kerry lawyer said Sunday night.

The request is one of 11 items that Kerry is asking for as part of the recount that Ohio's 88 county boards of election will begin this week, according to a letter sent to the boards over the weekend.

"We're trying to increase the transparency of the election process," said Donald McTigue, the lawyer handling the recount for the Kerry campaign.

Two minor presidential candidates who received 0.30 percent of the votes in last month's election requested the recount, claiming that the election was full of irregularities that need to be addressed.

http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10402284.htm?1c

[Broken Acorn]

20. The core message

Kerry's campaign supports the recount but says it won't change the election outcome. Bush's campaign has criticized the recount effort, saying it won't change anything.

This is cover for the Kerry people to find fraud without looking like sour grapes. We ALL know that they think the outcome will change, but they can't give the fundies talking points to blast Kerry.

[Bill Bored]

42. Exactly! He's further underground than DU

but as long as he gets the job done, we should support him!

If Blackbird doesn't start singing soon, it might be time for Kerry to call in the MSM though -- if they will answer the call. I'd expect to see this on Olbermann at least!

[Twist_U_Up]

23. Of Course theres a flip from Blockwell

McTigue would not speculate how many of the items the counties will honor.

"Several requests are trying to push the edge of envelope," he said.

Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell, said state law will guide counties on how to do the recount.

"I don't know if Mr. McTigue is in a position to dictate the terms of a recount," he said.

heres where it gets tricky, Can these thugs dictate how the courts operate ? probably

what ever became of the lawsuit asking Blockwell to recuse himself ?????????????????

[oscar111]

34. recount ALL, not random sample, Kerry,+ demand NEW ELECTION,not recount

If you want my opinion.

Get a Judicial Special Master to replace Blackwell. No more 'ASKING" him ... begging the GOP... to recuse himself.

[dzika]

57. kick n/t

[bleever]

28. And my ear tunes into the talking points we'll be hearing:

"You can't DICTATE the terms of a recount."

Gosh, "dictators" are bad!

Now, about looking at those ballots...

;)


edited: sp

[teleharmonium]

30. once again,

not for the first, nor the last time, I suspect, I say:
thank you, John Kerry.

[ClassWarrior]

35. Hi five, bleev!

NGU.

[senegal1]

43. What if Kerry is just doing this to seem like he cares

I still have to ask why wait so long till the night before the electors get choosen? I believe that fraud happended and that we will manage to do something about it, but can someone explain to me what part of Kerry's strategy is enhanced by waiting this long? It seems that he bascially did capitualte and only in the last few days has come to believe that there was massive vote fraud which can be proven. While believe me I am delighted that he seems to be coming out to do battle hopeful...

[ClassWarrior]

54. What if monkeys fly out of your butt??

What if??... What if??... WHAT IFFF???...

You're another one of those folks I keep meeting around here for whom nothing is ever good enough.

NGU.

[bleever]

56. Man, the flying monkey thing is getting out of hand...

Hygiene, people, hygiene!

[RevCheesehead]

60. (gasping to catch breath after laughing)

You're too much, CW! :P :thumbsup:

BTW: do you have first-hand experience with the monkey-butt thing?

NNN-NNN-NNN-GU! (to the tune of "Jingle Bells")

[bleever]

55. SMACK!

[DeepGreen]

38. I like crows ! So,, how about some veggie crow ??? nt

[sheilajane]

40. so happy to eat crow.....

I was going to rant and rave about the lack of interest from the Kerry camp,and now I read this. wheeeeeeeeee!!!!! I hope this works out as we wish!

[dzika]

51. kick n/t

[pamela]

45. I feel like singing.

Now on the street tonight the lights grow dim
The walls of my room are closing in
There's a war outside still raging
You say it ain't ours anymore to win
I want to sleep beneath
Peaceful skies in my lover's bed
With a wide open country in my eyes
And these romantic dreams in my head

Once we made a promise we swore we'd always remember
No retreat, baby, no surrender
Blood brothers in a stormy night
With a vow to defend
No retreat, baby, no surrender

[POTGNE]

46. Let's hope it makes a difference.....

although I seriously doubt it. Even if it does, Bush is going to find some underhanded way to make the election there null and void and then declare himself the winner anyway.....LOL!

[seito]

48. HAHAHAHAHA ROFLMAO

Aint nothin gonna bring me down tonight

:bounce:

[rehema]

50. Yep, thugs have no shame or morals

[Patsy Stone]

52. It's getting out there...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=324234 ABC News
http://www.10tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2682826 Ohio
http://www.thekansascitychannel.com/news/3991471/detail.html Missouri

[dzika]

58. kick n/t

[Lizzie Borden]

63. kick

:kick: :kick: :kick:

[McCamy Taylor]

64. letting the GOP get to pick who gets a hand recount is like...

...letting the supsect decide whether or not he wants to be in a particular line up. Give me a break. Random should be the bare minimum with the Dems able to request that certain precincts be hand recounted based on evidence of fraud (including statistically abberations in vote totals).

Someone needs to hand recount Katherine Blackwell's brain to see if he has 1) a conscience and 2) an ounce of sense. He is going to go to jail, and I doubt that he will receive a presidential pardon.