The DNC to look into Ohio voting (12/13)

[dzika]

Monday 13th December, 2004

The DNC to look into Ohio voting


Big News Network.com Sunday 12th December, 2004

-snip-
The Democratic National Committee said Saturday it is supporting
investigations of allegations into voting irregularities, DNC
official Donna Brazile said.

We are launching this comprehensive investigative study not to
contest the results of the 2004 election, but to help ensure that
every eligible vote cast is truly counted, Brazile said during the
Democrats' weekly radio address.

She said legitimate questions and concerns include provisional
ballots, lines at polls and voting machines. Her group is to issue a
report in the spring.


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[intheflow]

1. Could they be any slower

or denser? Took 'em long enough.

[Why Syzygy]

10. oh no wait

They're gonna release a REPORT in the SPRING!

Just in the nic of time .. for .. um .. NOTHING!
Deja vu.

[Dover]

2. Yes...wouldn't want to contest the election. And why not wait until

AFTER the Dec. 13th electoral vote count too. Wouldn't want to risk actually changing the outcome. Jeeeez.

[dzika]

3. Drama...

...Courtesy of the DNC.

[saracat]

4. Ugh! Donna Brazile. Faux Democrat!

[dzika]

7. I have hope.

Is the DNC going to useless?

Actually, I have heard a rumor that the DNC has been very involved since the events
in Greene County, Ohio. I wish I could tell you the rest but it should all come
out at the hearing tomorrow, anyway.

Let's just say that I was surprised at how quickly their lawyers were on top of
the Greene County issue and related evidence.

I have hope.

EDIT: Sbj.

[imenja]

9. come on now

How many hours have you put in working for the party? She's dedicated her life to it. Whether you agree with her or not, she has earned her stripes. She's volunteered in Democratic elections since she was a child. Imagine the barriers she had to break through to rise to the level in the party where she led a presidential campaign. She's gotten many millions of Democratic voters to the polls in her life time. It's unfair to call her a faux Democrat.

[saracat]

13. Donna Brazile has been spending valuable hours on MSM kissing the butt

the Bush Administration. Have you listened to her? She stabbed Al Gore in the back after 2000 after running one of the most iept campaigns in history.She now talks publicly about how Bush has done "more for minorities than any other administration. She sings the praises of Condi Rice, agrees most of the time with Bayh Buchannen and speaks of her friendship with Karl Rove.She states that election 2004 was "clean and honest. Bush won". Does that sound like a real Democrat to you? And we would have been way better off if she hadn't have risen through the ranks to do anything! She is extremely well compensated for the havoc she has wrought. There are many lifelong democrats , myself included who have donated thousands of productive hours to the party. And we haven't been paid for it. We also haven't almost single handedly ruined a presidential campaign!

[imenja]

15. she's worked very hard for the party

the question is not whether you agree with her. She's gotten more voters to the polls and dedicated more hours to the party than any of us. When I've heard her speak, he's spoken quite fondly of Gore. I've never heard her say anything remotely positive about Bush, let alone that minority comment you mention. She admires Karl Rove because the man is a brilliant strategist and they have opposed each other in campaigns, not because she agrees with him politically. (The man did get the worst president in American history re-elected. We'd be so lucky to have someone that effective in our party). I've seen her on television a number of times, and I have never interpreted her in the way you suggest. Her role, however, is not one of setting party ideology. She is a strategist and primarily an organizer. What she does best is get out the vote, ground operations.
It seems to me hard work and dedicated counts for something, and she beats all of us in that regard.
I find something disconcerting about people who post on message boards deciding those who put in long hours--indeed decades--working for the party somehow don't qualify as "real Democrats." It's important to respect her efforts, even if you don't agree with her politically.

[saracat]

21. The ground operations for the Gore campaign were pathetic!

Did you actually work on that campaign in any way? The incompetence with the ground effort was legendary. I would like you to prove that she has "gotten more voters to the polls and dedicated more hours to the party than any of us". Speak for yourself. I know many "unpaid volunteers" who have probably put in more hours or at least as many as Ms. Brazile and have probably gotten more people to the polls. We have a 91 year old volunteer who has been putting in eight hour days for forty years . She works 12 hour days during election cycles. As far as Ms. Brazile's remarks go, She "was thrilled at the appointment of Condi Rice as Sec. of State. It was wonderful to see a black woman promoted to that position and it took the Bush WH to do it". She said that on CNN . She "likes ' Karl Rove. She lunches with him. This is disconcerting. Lunching to psych out the opposition is one thing. Liking him is another. She is a sell out and a disgrace.

[Straight Shooter]

25. "She is a sellout and a disgrace."

You forgot opportunist. And let's not forget her ranting about Kerry's leftover campaign money and insisting he return it. Maybe there were plans for that money that she wasn't entitled to be privy to, considering her BIG MOUTH?

[saracat]

26. Thank you Straight Shooter.

That is also true. I almost forgot that! We can thank God she won't be DNC Chair!(But that is only because the Dems don't think as highly of black women as Dubya! LOL!)

[imenja]

34. how ridiculous that was

when he could have used that money to build a house in Nantucket. He deserves criticism over that stunt. You realize he had that money in August when the swift boat advertising was killing him. He should have used that money to respond then. It was then that the polls turned against him, and he never recovered.
That money was donated by voters to finance this campaign...not a new house or a 2008 presidential bid. Did you read anything that said I'm going to keep this money for whatever the hell I want it? Or did you think you were giving to the 2004 presidential campaign and other Democratic races? I know I did.

[imenja]

33. not on the Gore campaign

I voted for Nader that year. I could not bring myself to vote for Gore. Watching George Bush as president, however, made me realize that I had to work within the Democratic party. The consequences of not doing so are too dangerous.
I read--and perhaps it was not entirely accurate--that she succeeded in turning out enough voters that it made up for the 4 point deficit in the polls leading up to the election. I also know that she is working in Democratic elections since she was a child, 9 years old or so. She certainly was not paid until she already participated in many campaigns.
I did work a great deal on the Kerry ground operation in 2004. I wouldn't have called it pathetic, but it lacked adequate organization. Everyone from Move On to the Palm Beach Democratic Party seems thrilled with our ground efforts in 2004--only Kerry won this county by fewer votes than Gore did in 2000, despite all the problems with the butterfly ballot and hanging chads in the 2000 election. I have a lot of issues about the level of disorganization on the Kerry campaign, but it's pretty clear that Brazile's ground efforts in Florida were effective since they produced a wider margin than Dem's did this year, despite the activity by Move On and the 527s.
This Rove charge is waged repeatedly. I find it simplistic and short-sighted. They work in the same field. Rove is a brilliant strategist--Machiavellian, ill-intentioned, but brilliant. I would think anyone interested in learning about how to wage a successful campaign would gladly have lunch with Rove. They've been opponents in elections and have developed a respect through that process. Obviously, she doesn't agree with him politically or she would have joined the Republican party--where any African-American seems guaranteed a high profile job. People who work in the same field associate with each other.
She may very well be a less than ideal Democratic strategist and organizer and strategist, but she is nonetheless a Democrat. More "real" of a Democrat than those who prefer to complain and foment division rather than take action to bring about Democratic electoral victories. I'm not saying she's a hero, though I respect her. I'm objecting to the notion that she should be dismissed as a "faux" democrat because you have differences with her.

[americanwhothinks]

16. saracat's post pts to sad reality: many who "work hard to get to the top"

learn that in order get to the top, you have to sell out, abandon your true cause, do everything to "promote yourself," even if, in doing so, your actions may undermine your original cause...

so...the question can't be "how hard did a person work?" the question must remain-- "what/how has the person actually worked for??"

[imenja]

18. if you are unwilling to accept those who do work for the party

you need to step up to the plate yourself.
These posts make me tremendously pessimistic for the future of the party. If we are so intolerant of differences within the party, how do you expect to convince voters who aren't Democratic party loyalists? I wonder if some people don't wish for the destruction of the party and permanent rule by the Republicans. That's the direction we're heading. Actually we're already there, and the intent seems to be to make it worse. The 5% of the country that meet your standards of what constitute a true Democrat aren't going to dislodge Republican rule.

[americanwhothinks]

24. hey! i wasn't saying i don't accept those who work for the

party!!

not at all...i was just saying that sometimes, the challenges of political life make standing by the original cause extremely difficult.

Hey, i'm with you-- i think we must work with those who work for the party-- and if we ALL participated, the challenges of political life wouldn't be so deadly for so many...

So yes, you're right! It's OUR duty-- our job-- to stand up, step up and fight..and then our leaders will be supported by us. If they stand alone, however, it's no wonder they are forced to make sacrifices that may ultimately threaten/counter/undermine the kind of work they do.

[imenja]

28. good, I appreciate your efforts

if all of us work, but our ideas into action, we can bring about change.

[Guarionex]

30. I don't like Donna Brazille

am I the only one that think she's sleazy...that there's something "powerhungry" about her?

I don't like these Democrat "established" people...they suck.

[Tennessee Gal]

5. Donna Brazile?

Don't think much of her.

[Not_Without_A_Fight]

6. Shame on the DNC

If the Greens and Libs pick up supporters from this issue -- it would be the Dems own fault.

Their behaviour has been worse than shameful, it has been stupid, at a time when our country needs them most. Also, black and other minority dems who were clearly suppressed in this election should be pissed off!!!!!

[alittlelark]

8. uh, yeah................

glad to hear it .... NOW (at this late date) !!!!


DEAN FOR DNC *AND* DLC HEAD.... we gotta rock and roll!!!!

Here in SJ at a fundraiser for Dean I was the only one who hollered out "not my president". I got evil looks from all. They are not with us. The $200 dollar events must be eradicated.

I was a Deaniac, who morphed into a Clarkie (damn, he ROCKS), into a Kerry (although I had met him the previous summer and thought he had no chance).


I NO LONGER GIVE A RATS ASS.............I WANT A LEADER !!!!!!


Yeah, then he will be killed like all the others .

[proudbluestater]

11. The train has already left the station

and now they wish to get on board. WTF? Maybe they read some of the most recent emails we blasted them with last week when they again requested our input. Get on board or forget about any future elections was what they got an earful of.

What a surprise to hear this from Ms. "This was a good, clean election" Brazile. When hit over the head with enough evidence, it seems even OUR OWN PARTY will wise up.

We need party leadership so bad.

[GetTheRightVote]

12. Just maybe they realized that the members of the Demo & 3rd Parties

member taking action without has them realizing if we organize and become strong enough we could carry any party into an election, we are the people who elect them into office, if we combined all of the lefties together we are definitely a force in politics today ...... we demanded a free election and it is looking like our combined voice is being listened too, just some words for thought ???

[keepthemhonest]

14. it's about time

Maybe they realised there would not be a democratic party if they did not join in this effort.

Let see 20% believed that we can't trust our voting system and that would be 40% mostly democrats,so why wold they go vote next time. If they votes are not being counted right.

No It's about damn time. The green party are the heroes in my book so far and of course the dems of the jUDICIARY COMM.

[Cheswick2.0]

17. they'll release a report in the spring? Big Deal

What good is that going to do?

Ugh, I all I have to say to these people.

[IAMREALITY]

19. Remember

Though it is one of our immediate objectives, it is not our only purpose to flip the outcome of the election. We also want to ensure that the electoral process can get its integrity back for future elections and future generations. In order for that to happen, thorough studies will need to be done that of course will take some time to publish.

[Pithy Cherub]

20. DNC: Faster than a speeding snail...

woooo ho:boring:

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

22. right after they respond to the Swift Boat Liars ads

[lonestarnot]

23. Are they talking re 2000? LOL

[saddemocrat]

27. as usual

the democrats are too flippin' late.

Shouldn't Bev Harris have come out with her shocking proof by now...Shouldn't the DNC and Kerry have called for an investigation BEFORE the day that the Ohio electors were scheduled to be called in? :wtf: Will someone here be starting a link to ask for our money back? I wonder if some of these groups simply used the election for fundraising purposes. :mad:

At this point, the Dems deserve to lose....they are spineless wannabes:grr:

[Guarionex]

29. You know what I hate the most...

this damned business of stating "it's not about contesting the results"...

actually...it is..it's about counting the votes and letting the final result determine WHAT the outcome...

I hate when Democrats pussy-foot around the issue to cater to the Right-Wing media..

hey, right-wingers...I'll say it...we're looking at the vote to expose your tactics of fraud, voter suppression, and other shenanigangs, and if we find out you committed fraud, we WILL contest the election.

[zeemike]

31. Is it passable that the DNC has sold us out?

I think we will know when they all get cushy jobs and become media star consultants. The Repukes always reward the one that helps them. Just look at Pat Bucannon, after he destroyed the Independent party in 2000 he is a regular media star making the big bucks.

[peacetalksforall]

32. Wowie...the DNC is waking up.

[saracat]

35. BFD.

And McAuliffe has come out again against Move on .org.