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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 10:57 AM
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Google suppression...
Notice how Ohio irregularity stories have NEVER made the front page of Google News? I have been monitoring it several times an hour for weeks (and right now every minute) and always have to go searching for the vote stories. Kerry's request letter was huge last night, and it didn't even make the "in the news" sidebars.

Oh...just changed its top U.S. stories!...newest 2 hours old, about Lieberman considering joing the Bush admin at hs.

glad to see joe's mind is elsewhere.


http://news.google.com/nwshp?hl=en&gl=



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SueZhope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:04 AM
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1. I noticed that
It seems fishy to me
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Quakerfriend Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:07 AM
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2. Yup
and just last week they decided not to post anything from dkos! Really annoying!

Snif, snif. I thought GOOGLE was our friend.
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lasttrip Donating Member (488 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:43 PM
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21. remember, they did go public this year. nt
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eowyn_of_rohan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:08 AM
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3. What is even more fishy
Is when you do a google search and get 100s or 1000s of hits, and repeat the exact same search later and get ZIP. That happened to me last month while researching one of our "tinfoil hat conspiracy theories". I posted my search terms here in the morning, and told of some of the finds. That night ALL hits had disappeared. I was pretty freaked...
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:10 AM
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4. Hmmm...it didn't dawn on me until now...
Perhaps there's a connection with recent stories about the "need" to monitor the Internet(s) and the absence of stories highly unflattering to BushCo (like "election fraud").

Do you suppose the recent "suggestions" of limitations and restrictions (in the name of HomeLand security) might be intended to intimidate ("warn") Internet players like Google?

Not to mention the MSM...
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Diane L Donating Member (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:15 AM
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5. I use Lycos for searches; always have from day one..
but it wouldn't surprise me if so-called "HomeLand" is intimidating the search engines. But, Lycos, right now does bring up searches on ohio election fraud. We just need Bush out of there.
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tngledwebb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:26 AM
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7. Yep, quite possible. Don't forget
Google is in it for the money, so they want to be real careful. It's DU and the like that'll be primary targets.
That's another reason why pro trolls visit so often these days, IMH(but justifiably paranoid) 0.
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:53 PM
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23. self delete
Edited on Mon Dec-13-04 05:54 PM by bones_7672
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jamboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 11:18 AM
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6. I don't think its suppression, just lack of MSM interest on their part.
Hopefully that will change today.
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EMunster Donating Member (477 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:21 PM
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8. Nothing to worry about people...Google has good reason not to cover Ohio..

They've had to make room for the updates in the "Kerik's nomination" story.


Admit it: we need to figure out who's to BLAME.


Funny how the msm stifled the "blame game" rounds before with this administration. They just might not have known what an import story is unfolding in Ohio.

God Bless Google






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Scout1071 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:32 AM
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31. At this point, I'm ready to outsource our MSM
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JoMama49 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 03:27 PM
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9. You can Listen to the Tavis Smiley Show
When I googled "ohio voting irregularities", this came up:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4225107

You can listen to the show.
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You do not need that Donating Member (24 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:01 PM
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10. NEW MEXICO AUDIT
Okay, couldn't find a suitable thread for this link.
What is the following really about?

New Mexico Audit:
http://lnvb.westside.com/
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pick_a_dilly Donating Member (102 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:08 PM
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11. go to google and . . .
type into the search field: FAILURE.

hi teh I AM FEELING LUCKY button...

hahahaha real search . . .
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:29 PM
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14. Excellent!!!!
:7
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Terre Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:38 PM
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15. "Failure" under Web search or News search?
If you didn't look for "failure" as a Web search, I suggest you try that one as well. I think you'll be highly amused at the #1 link.

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LongTomH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:11 PM
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12. Click on "USA"
Click on "USA" - the tag at the top of domestic stories.
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 04:24 PM
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13. I have Noticed As Well
I noticed this phenomena about a week after the election. To prove this, however, would be difficult as far as I can tell because Google's search algorithms are proprietary and not subject to public examination.

I have read that Google DOES filter news search results in other countries. It has been reported that Google cut a deal with Chinese officials to weed out all stories critical of the Beijing govt. that appear as a search results on their Chinese site in order to operate in that country.

The two guys that founded the company appear to be Democrats, but I could be wrong about that. If I were executing a coup d'etat, I would consider it to be a strategic advantage to control that aspect of information flow on the Internet.
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klebean Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:17 PM
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16. google in China
I read the same when I was researching Falun Gong a couple of years ago - haven't followed up on it since.

I'm having no problem w/google myself (I use safari to browse)
I just did "Kerry Ohio recount" and I found plenty - the "news results" includes
Scoop and NPR (tavis smiley) as well as several papers.

http://www.google.com/search?q=Kerry+Ohio+recount&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
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BreakForNews Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:35 PM
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17. Google Covering Up Since the Start
We reported on Google censorship
problems back on 9th November:



Google Censors
VoteFraud Stories


BreakForNews.com, 9th Nov., 2004
by Fintan Dunne, Editor
http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/GoogleCensorsVoteFraud.htm

Search engine Google is ignoring thousands of news stories about the alleged theft of the U.S. presidential election.

Searching Google News for "presidential+election+fraud" gives over over 10,000 stories!

Nevertheless, there has been no coverage of the election fraud issue on the Google News front page, or even it's U.S. News page.

http://www.BreakForNews.com/articles/GoogleCensorsVoteFraud.htm
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:37 PM
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18. Bent
as a nine-bob watch.
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melv Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:39 PM
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19. Google owners in the Bush family
There was a story about Google on NPR a few months back when it went public. One of the most interesting points the reporter brought up: The owners are actually relatives of Duhbya(albeit not in the immediate family).

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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:42 PM
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20. I made
Gore's Chinese search engine, Accooona, my home page, but, after brief initial success, for some reason - I suspect malicious - the word "search" was always inserted before "Accooona", so that I got a dud page. I wrote to them about it some days ago, but no reply so far at least. Google is history, as far as I'm concerned, anyway.
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thedutch Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:52 PM
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22. googling tip
If you want some real links from google, try www.google.be (Belgium), www.google.co.in (India), etc. Ik doe een gok!
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bones_7672 Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:55 PM
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24. So, let's see, Bush ...
... fixed the voting machines to go his way

... arranged for the Scott Peterson death penalty to be announced on the day the electors elected

... rewired Google to play down the election fraud conspiracy theory.

If he could do all that, DOGGONE!, maybe he should be prez!
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:06 PM
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26. You forgot to mention some other things
He is doing those things so he can

...send your kids to war for profit.
...steal your money to give to his friends
...steal your kids money to give to his friends
...steal kids kids money etc. to give to his friends
...take away your health care
...destroy the environment
...destroy the Bill of Rights


I've got lots more if you want to hear 'em.
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McCamy Taylor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 05:57 PM
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25. Google suppression or AP suppression?
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:07 PM
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27. Google is dead
the IPO ended their credibility

CLUSTY is in da house!!!

www.clusty.com
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:46 AM
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33. thanks for the link
i like it. their us news page has an election section with the Ohio dispute at the top of the list. just changed my homepage from google to clusty. cool.
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sportndandy Donating Member (710 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-13-04 06:08 PM
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28. Google Bias
I used to use google news because I thought it would present news stories based on the level of interest they were receiveing ie number of clicks. That is not the case. The stories are handpicked and remain in place until new ones are picked. I stopped using Google news as a result.
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:23 AM
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29. really, what is up with this?
i usually go to google news page for latest news. even with the NYT article and washington post article, NOTHING on their main news page. Even if you do a search for the story and get many 100's of hits, still not on the main page.

think i'm sticking with buzzflash.
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ccarter84 Donating Member (412 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:29 AM
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30. they also kicked dailykos off as a news source recently
so much for my faith in google-news
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ailsagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-15-04 12:33 AM
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32. I once complained to Google about its choice of stories...
Edited on Wed Dec-15-04 12:33 AM by ailsagirl
and they responded that it's an entirely random kind of selection.

Then why was it, I wonder, that we hardly ever heard about Kerry? (And this was during the campaign!!)

I don't buy it.
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