Scarborough tonight MSNBC: Bill Moyers interviewed on rightwing media. n/t

[Wordie]

[indianablue]

1. F Scarborough...and all his ilk never ever ever watch ...

any wingnut crap.

I have deleted Fox, MSNBC ...only keep CNN for some visual news if there is any otherwise to hell with them too.

[Wordie]

3. Oh, I know what you mean. But I happened to leave the tv on and caught

a guy, Rechtenback, I think the name was, absolutely FUMING about the entire election fraud thing. He made Pat Buchanan shut up (almost impossible). So, you might be surprised what could happen. They are probably doing this just to get more viewers, but if it means that the story hits the msm, I'm willing to accept that.

[BamaBecky]

5. Scarborough [use to be right-wing nut] LISTEN TO HIM now !!!!!

Congressional memo to future generations: You're screwed (Joe Scarborough)



Take it from a not-so-old former congressman who knows: Proud young Americans, you are in for a con job from Washington that you can't even imagine.

Your government has already borrowed almost $8 trillion that it can't pay back. Guess who will have to write the check? That's right. You.

Expect massive tax hikes in your future, and wicked cuts in national defense, education, environmental enforcement, police protection and medical care for the poor and elderly.

Oh, you say the poor should pay for their health care just like you? Fine.

Wait till you have to crawl over 3-year-old kids dying on the front steps of the emergency room where you are taking your kids and then you will be asking yourself if it was really wise for this generation of politicians to spend money as responsibly as pot heads in an open-all-night grocery store.

And guess what these politicians who have already straddled you with an $8 trillion debt plan to do as soon as Congress gets back in session?

No, guess. Really. You'll love this.

They plan to plunge America into debt by $2 trillion more dollars!

You see, they've got this really cool plan to privatize parts of Social Security that usually make free market conservatives like myself giddy. We start talking about the invisible hand and the power of market forces.

Only problem is that this plan to get government off our backs costs a cool $2 trillion in transition fees.

And— let me see if you are following me here— who pays for that?

That's right. YOU!

But that's not the biggest problem with this $2 trillion Social Security plan. What bothers me the most is the fact that everybody in Washington knows that allowing Americans to invest parts of their Social Security payments in the stock market will produce some winners. But capitalism also always produces losers, and we all know that there will be millions of Americans who will make stupid investments in the coming years. (See Enron, etoys, Pets.com, Worldcom)

So what will happen when they retire and start complaining to their local congressman and TV camera crews about how they're about to be thrown out in the streets because of the dumb investments they made with their Social Security payments years ago?

Congress will pass the "Save Our Stupid Seniors Investment Relief Act of 2025," thereby guaranteeing that all Americans will have all Social Security payments restored in full.

That will require that you take your third job in the Chinese high tech factory just so you can pay even more taxes to Washington.

It's a bright future, brought to you by a gang in Washington who really couldn't care less about what happens to the world they pass on to their children and grandchildren.

How do I know this? Because I was in Congress long enough to learn that you judge politicians by their actions, not their words.

P.S. I talk about the selling out of America by politicians in my book "Rome Wasn't Burnt in a Day."

P.P.S. Here's something you don't hear me say every day. Read Paul Krugman's column on this subject today. He comes to the same conclusion that I do: Congress will borrow $2 trillion today to privatize Social Security and then borrow trillions more to cover American's poor investments in the future.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6330851/

[Wordie]

7. Whew! Well, I guess Scarborough is not exactly as much of a push-over for

Bush as I thought. Of course, it might have been nice if he said this BEFORE the election!

[genieroze]

21. Delete

[Up2Late]

56. HOLD ON FOLKS!!! Check out Joe's Manic Swing!

Click the same link today (post above) and Joe has made a 180 Degree turn back to the Right!:wtf:

As the Right-wing Wack Jobs like to say, "The guy's obviously just pushing a book.":grr:

[Red State Blues]

59. Say it ain't so, Joe

Joe S. is a Gingrich Republican which explains his puzzling support of Krugman in his blog, also explains his all out attack on Moyers (in the blog - I'll try to catch the show when they run it again).

Hey Joe, found anymore dead young women in your office lately?

[Kolesar]

13. does not compute

thanks for the link, Becky. Blew me away

[Guarionex]

16. yeah...what's up with Scarborough

where is the real one, and what have they done with him?

My only possible interpretation is that Scarborough is actually a TRADITIONAL CONSERVATIVE (like Pat Buchanan) and is fed up with how the neoconservative fascists and the Christianofascists are taking the Republican Party's reputation and dragging it through the mud...and he's finally had it and is lashing out like Pat has in his editorials.

But, I'm not taking Scarborough's side anytime soon...he's always been a little snot-nosed conservative pundit...so screw him....

Division in the Rep. Ranks.

[rodeodance]

37. maybe he is finally afraid he might lose some money ??

[seabeyond]

22. to late scarsborough you campaigned for the asshole

feel the shame. dont lecture me. i already knew all this shit. you were the dumb shit that bought into this crap. so dont lecture me on what is coming. i'zzzz telling you all along and you refused to listen in all your arrogant republican asshole that you are

i feel better, lol lol breath out

[Griffy]

36. nahh.. Ill give him another chance.. just bust open the fraud in Ohio NT

[Sparkle]

31. If Scarb said this about Bush, why didn't he realize this when he was

clapping and fawning over Bush at one of his campaign stops?

[Blue_In_AK]

50. WOW!

[ClintCooper2003]

57. Joe Scarborough is a right-wing HACK.

[Carolab]

60. He's just trying to make some money

Oh, read my book! Watch my show! I'm SOOOOO enlightened now.

And look--Paul Krugman says the same thing as me!

No, Joe, I think that's the other way around, don't you? Don't put yourself anywhere near the same vicinity as Krugman. Especially when you say lame things like "The Save our Stupid Seniors Act of 2025", cuz guess what? The money they are talking about spending happens to belong to MY generation--the boomers--and we are the people who are going to be left holding the bag if this passes and NOT because we were stupid! And the government isn't going to save us, either! ANd why? Because of stupid, greedy younger people who think they are going to be RICH RICH RICH by investing!!!! And you think that the government is going to save them? Wrong. Cuz Bushco has NO intention of leaving--ever!!! And it's only DEMOCRATS who care about social safety nets, REMEMBER?

Sorry, Joe, you get the smart-too-late prize. And that means WE won't listen to YOU because YOU didn't listen to US and NOW we're ALL screwed! Maybe you ought to start by saying "I'M SORRY EVERYBODY" and then start to HELP us, not lecture us.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

2. This oughta be reeeeeeel good... imagine Joe when Bill starts bringing

up FACTS. I can hardly contain myself.

[Wordie]

6. I kinda hope that Buchanan will be sitting in tonight again. That would be

an interesting thing to watch!

[Griffy]

35. HE IS :)

[Wordie]

45. I noticed...but where is Moyers? They have had some interesting things on

(after Peterson trial), such as the question of whether the Pentagon should lie in the press to confuse our enemies. And, I was pleased to see that the answer was, generally, no.

[4democracy]

4. Bill Moyers is getting out the idea that something is wrong with the media

[Wordie]

8. Yes, specifically, the RIGHTWING media. eom

[VTGold]

9. Moyers intends to dedicate rest of his life to proving right-wing....

....control of media.

[Sparky 1]

10. Moyers has long been...

...a favorite of mine. There is such kindness in his face, and his words invariably ring true. I'm so sad that he's retiring. Happy for him, but sad for the rest of us.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

14. He is the person who had my avatar on for an interview... she was

so captivating in her passions for her people... I would challenge any English prof. to use the language better than she... eloquence beyond belief.... mastery of the language in toto.

[Guarionex]

18. which avatar?

what avatar, you mean the Indian lady image? Who is she? She's cute...

[Viva_La_Revolution]

51. ??

arundhatiroy + Google = Arundhati Roy

http://website.lineone.net/~jon.simmons/roy/

[4democracy]

15. I think in part he is retiring, so he CAN fight the right wing media

[Griffy]

39. Maybe will Rather, Jennings and Brokaw!! think about it !

Rather know he was right, but facts are being purged from the news.. these guys have been in cobat reporting.. they have seen years of corruption, but know they have thier voices muffled.. watch for them to join forces.

[Griffy]

40. lol.. i should proofread when typing on my lap in the easychair! nt

[HysteryDiagnosis]

17. He had my avatar on for an interview... she was

so captivating the way she expressed her passion for her people... I would challenge any English prof. to use the language better than she... eloquence beyond belief.... mastery of the language in toto.

[Wordie]

20. Who is that, 4mor? Your avatar, that is.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

24. Who she is.

I have Power Politics... it deals with the dam projects in India.. over 50,000,000 poor people have been displaced by them... it also deals with Enron's mess in India... not pretty... the book is cheap enough at Amazon... worth the read. If you read this... you will know who she is.

In each time, there may come one who has such beauty of spirit, and such a clarity of vision, as can cause a healing on a world wide scale by the force of truth alone. We may have the good fortune to live in such a time, and She may be among us now ;^)

http://www.vegdot.org/special/ArundhatiRoy
"What I mean by the Algebra of Infinite Justice: it's really arithmetical. What are the things that count in the calculus of power? Who are the people who count? Who are the people who don't count? Whether you look at Madeline Albright saying 500,000 children dying in Iraq was a price worth paying, or whether you look at the war in Afghanistan; the world media does not even want to know how many people were killed in Afghanistan, how many innocent people died in Afghanistan. We don't want to follow up: The U.N. reports that 7.5 million people were about to starve, and suddenly, it's off the news. The only way to find out is to go to Afghanistan, and if you can't go, you don't know what's happening. But they don't count anymore.

So there are people in the world who count, and people in the world who don't count. I'm not saying this is a genetic problem with the American state, it's true of any state. And the more powerful you are, the cruder the Algebra of Infinite Justice becomes." -- Arundhati Roy

[Guarionex]

42. soooo....this is the great Arundhati Roy

I've read about her...

man...she's cute...and smart...wonder if she would go for someone like me....

Would love to meet her...

[HysteryDiagnosis]

25. Self delete

[HysteryDiagnosis]

26. Self delete

[proudtobeadem]

11. Can someone please post what happens??

[Wordie]

33. About 10 mins into the show, still Scott Peterson. On and on and on...n/t

[proudtobeadem]

12. Deleted by me

[HomerRamone]

19. Why I've never watched Scarborough before

http://www.bartcop.com/1117.htm

"I'm glad I left congress under my own terms..."
-- Joe Scarborough, now a wh**e on Fox News

Mr Scarborough, you are a liar.

You were forced to give up your congressional seat because they found a dead girl in your office
and you knew any political opponent would ask how she died. Certainly Jeb Bush wanted you gone,
because he had a hand in covering up the cause of her death by hiring an out-of-state, discredited
coroner to whitewash the details of how that woman died.

That coroner ruled that the healthy, athletic women died standing up,
then hit her head on the desk when her lifeless body crashed to Earth.
I wouldn't weant to try to defend that horse****, either.

[genieroze]

27. He left because he had his own INTERNal problems. eom

[texpatriot2004]

28. Hmm, interesting snip about death of Lori Klausutis and Joe

http://www.meria.net/subscribers/august2001/

"Forget Condit-What about THE DEAD GIRL Lori Klausutis in Joe Scarborough's office and the non-credible autopsy?;"

[texpatriot2004]

29. More interesting info about the death of Lori Klausutis

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/lori_klausutis.htm

[texpatriot2004]

30. Truthout Articles on Congressman Joe and Lori K's death

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.05B.Klausutis.1.htm

http://www.truthout.org/docs_01/01.07B.Klausutis.3.htm

[seabeyond]

23. dupe

[terry4kerry]

32. scarborough's blog two days ago

He really came down very hard on the idea of borrowing more money to pay for social security. It is on his blog on the msnbc web-site. Knowing his right-wing stance, I was really shocked to see him criticize Bush.

[Griffy]

34. Support this.. watch he final show on the 17th .. nt

[Up2Late]

38. Does Fox replay Scarborough's show?

or have it on the web?
:dunce: I missed it.

[Wordie]

43. Don't know...but should have transcripts on the site somewhere. Here is

the link to Scarborough site:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/

[cyberpj]

61. It's MSNBC and they repeat Scarborough's show at 3am Eastern

I'll have to Tivo it so I can get some sleep!

Such an exciting day around here it's hard to settle down.

PJ

[ntwkgirl]

41. CONYERS HEARING ON RADIO LEFT NOW!!!

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_archives/2004/12/13/204073.html

Started less than 15 min ago

[Wordie]

44. Wow...Buchanan actually asked if the Saddam-9/11 link was disinformation

[Wordie]

46. Now they are discussing evangelical influence on the WH w/ * speechwriter

The question is, "an evangelical agenda?" Dave Silverman, American Athiests, is the other speaker. I've seen atheists several times now, it seems to me, discussing religion and politics issues on MSNBC. There are many mainstream Christians who wish to preserve the separation of church and state. I wish they would find people who are less controversial to support that side.

[Up2Late]

53. But that would be "Fair and Balanced???"

God, Get a grip :crazy:

That's not what "they" are REALLY about.:evilgrin:

[Wordie]

55. Well, first of all its not Faux, its MSNBC. And, they have an atheist

taking the "separation of church and state" side, which isn't really very helpful, as the average middle-of-the-road voter will be put off by that, I think.

At least they would be unlikely to identify. It's subtle, but in the msm when you get people too far from the middle presenting an idea, you are discrediting it even while you may appear to be supporting it, imho. Or to be more accurate, not supporting, but it may appear that you are providing a "fair and balanced" discussion, as your post said, but if the person presenting one side is unacceptable to the audience, then really you are not.

Having problems with coherence tonight, sorry. LOL

[Up2Late]

58. I was joking, were you?

That's the problem here, they don't really have a good Smiley for "Extreme Sarcasm." x( or maybe :+

Also, If you can tell the difference between Fox and MSNBC, you're a better man than me. I think they both BLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWW! :freak:

:think:CNN should have the Fox and MSNBC Blow hards on and have them debate how they are really 2 different cable channels. Might be good.

[Wordie]

62. Okok...I didn't catch it, but see now I should have. I do, however, see a

big difference between Faux and MSNBC, although when MSNBC gets Buchanan and Scarborough going, it becomes increasinly unclear, I do agree there. And, I didn't particularly like the debate coverage with some of the rw people they put on (especially Ron Silver (yuck): how did he get to be considered a political expert, anyway?). But there are nuggets of hope for MSNBC, such as Olbermann's show...well, now that I think about it, maybe that is truly the only nugget. Only one I can think of anyway. Ok, you're right. :)

Actually, I really do think that MSNBC isn't AS bad as Faux. They come much closer to presenting two different sides, even if they fail miserably far too often. (And what's happened to Matthews, anyway? He seems to have gone over to the dark side.)

[Up2Late]

63. I don't know if I should take credit for Chris...

But I did write an e-mail to NBC during the Olympics, and said how awesome it was, that they were covering them on all their networks, and how great their web site was for the Olympics. Then I told them how great it would be if the Left had a 24 hour Cable News Network that wasn't trying to out Fox Fox News and the fact that the 60% of the Cable audience that think Fox SUCKS, could put up some BIG ratings for MSNBC. :think:

The first week after the Olympics, I see Chris Mathew's Challenging some Right-wing female Automaton to answer his question with something other than her rehearsed answer. Then he Challenged Zell Miller and Zell challenged him to a dual.

I'm not saying my e-mail caused the change, but just maybe it got to the right person who said, "Hey, you know, that might be worth a try, tell Chris he can stop pandering to the Right." It's good to know they haven't reversed that decision.

This time I'm not kidding, though maybe a bit delusional B-)

[Wordie]

64. Well, actually, I was saying that Chris seems to be MORE to the right than

previously. Jeez, maybe I just can't tell anymore!

[Up2Late]

65. That sucks

I guess it's whatever it takes to get a bump in the ratings. :thumbsdown:

[BamaBecky]

47. Watched the whole show but didn't see Moyers? Did I miss him somehow? n/t

[noclonyofthechimp]

68. now I know I am not insane! I waited, watched, waited, watched..I

never saw him and they advertised it all day??!

[NoSheep]

48. MSNBC silences Moyers! Damn! It didn't happen. They didn't let it happen.

[Wordie]

49. I wonder if he got bumped in favor of the Peterson trial death penalty

verdict today? I bet that's it. Kinda disgusting, huh?

[Up2Late]

54. Yup

That's what ALL of the Cable "news" :eyes:channels were talking about, before I flipped to "The Daily Show" at 11:00pm :bounce:

[Griffy]

52. instead.. they discussed religion in politics,with an atheist nt

[WhoWantsToBeOccupied]

66. I wasted 55 minutes

I have skipped MSM (aside from Keith O) since the election and will likely continue doing so unless it develops a conscience and a nose for news. But I was very excited to hear what Moyers has to say about the right-wing media, so I watched the show. I kept the sound off a lot of the time but was pleasantly stunned by some of the aggressively anti-Bush things Buchanan said. Buchanan and I have a mind meld half the time and a complete disconnect the other half the time. It's very strange. Anyhow, I missed the first five minutes and assumed, 55 minutes later, that Moyers must have been the opening guest. They didn't put him on? They plugged him and sucked me in and then bumped him? That's CRAP!

[marions ghost]

67. I watched the show too and was disappointed but...

...were we SURE that Moyers was supposed to be on? How did wordie know? If it was advertised, we should ask MSNBC what happend.