We need a Senator

[WilliamPitt]

Durbin? Kennedy? Obama?

Suggestions?

[carolinalady]

1. Where is Kennedy? He ticks me off. He would have nothing to

lose by standing up for us.

[Guarionex]

2. he won't,

he didn't in 2000

[David Dunham]

5. It isn't going to happen.

[crispini]

6. Yeah but Gore ASKED them not to.

What would Kerry do? hmmmm?

[EFerrari]

76. Al Gore had no business doing that. That was our election,

and it looks like he forgot he was running to represent us!

Kerry would have no business doing the same. But, that's another round of letters <g>.

[Dark Secret]

54. Echoes of Richard III: A Horse, A Horse, My Kingdom for a Horse

Except this time we have no Kingdom without a Senator and I can't see any coming forward. Very sad.

[TruthIsAll]

69. AL GORE. AL GORE. AL GORE. HE WILL STEP UP.

AL GORE. OUR REAL PRESIDENT.

[Verve]

82. Yeh but Al Gore told all senators NOT to stand up for him last time. n/t

[crispini]

3. We should pick one and target him/her.

Just totally SNOW that person with emails, faxes, phone calls.

[liam97]

10. 2000 was different

The SC had already intervened. Do you know what happens if a senator challenges this?

[Broken Acorn]

4. Feinstein n/t

[seito]

12. Boxer, more likely n/t

[Im with Rosey]

90. I emailed Feinstein and Boxer

they are my reps, all I got back was a form letter from Feinstein and NOTHING from Boxer. I'm not sure they will be getting another vote from me!

[demo dutch]

7. We had this discussion already a while back!

I am trying to remain hopeful, but I think it's whishful thinking any senator will come forward. Politicans won't do anything unless there is an outright Ukraine type revolt in this country. The majority of the American public doesn't even know this stuff is going on in Ohio.

[necso]

8. Byrd?

[Junkdrawer]

19. He just might...

The Lion of the Senate does not like the Bush crew.

[bloom]

49. I think Byrd seems most likely

He is not leaving in Jan. is he?

[necso]

59. As far as I know,

Byrd is not leaving in Jan.

If he chooses to run again, however, I imagine that he will face a neocon onslaught.

And I have no idea if he might be amenable -- and I won't hold it against him if he isn't. He faces a struggle in any event, and I wish to see him remain in the Senate.

[madison2000]

9. What do you need a Senator for?

I thought this wasn't about challenging the election results.

[carolinalady]

13. By having a Senator and a Representative challenge the

electoral college, it would bring public attention to the entire legislative body as well as the whole country in regards to the fraudulent voting system the "greatest Democracy in the world" is using to vote for our elected officials. No the chances of the Congress turning over the results are not very good at all, but it would give those of us who know what is happening added legitimacy.

[bear425]

11. Bill Nelson

He campaigned with John Kerry here in Florida.

[liam97]

14. Don't you think it would be good

if a coalition of citizens' groups took out an ad somewhere which says the people of america are hoping to find one senator to challenge this election

[Helga Scow Stern]

21. That sounds like an excellent idea...

If the NYT would print it. A full page ad, like was put up to protest the war on Iraq.

[LSparkle]

55. I heard Nelson had volunteered to do it

a few weeks ago. Does it have to be a sitting Senator come January? If not, what about Bob Graham?

[bear425]

88. I believe it must be a sitting Senator. Bill Nelson seems

like the one to watch.

[AmerDem]

15. who else better then Kerry?

I don't want to hear stuff like he needs to be protected etc. He has a great stake in this and should step up to the plate like he promised. The time has come to speak out about fraud without worrying about how it will reflect in polls. People will be drawn to him if he shows unwavering strength.

[bloom]

47. I think it needs to be someone else

If necessary - one of the older ones - like Byrd if future electibility is an issue.

He doesn't seem to be afraid of standing up for the right things.

[Helga Scow Stern]

16. Reid? He will be holding hearings investigating improprieties next year.

It is worth a try. Not that he would be THE Senator, but at least he should know of the serious allegations committed to the record in the Conyers "forums".

I wrote to him and entered his Nevada office address as my own on the form to get the attention of a constituent, then apologized at the end of the letter, saying, "Your attention is urgently needed on this matter and you no longer represent only the people of Nevada, but all of us."

Also Dorgan, who is working with him on the hearings.

Senator Reid

http://reid.senate.gov/email_form.cfm

Senator Dorgan

http://dorgan.senate.gov/contactme/contact.cfm

[KnowerOfLogic]

17. Un-freaking-believable; not a single senator will put democracy itself

ahead of their precious careers. I say i want a revolution....

[KyndCulture]

33. It is political career suicide... what we need is..

Someone with nothing to lose.

It can't be an outgoing Senator because the new Senate is sworn in on 1/3... So does anyone know a Senator not seeking re-election in 06?

That should be our target.

[electropop]

51. It's political suicide NOT to oppose

because the pukes will load the ballot boxes more and more until the Senate, House, and Supreme Court are 100% packed with right wing death cult crazies.

[VTGold]

18. Our new Minority Leader has the plums to do it.....He seems fearless..

I didn't like the sound of him at first but I must say I've been very impressed with his comments so far.

He can't be called a panty-wearing liberal - that's for sure.

[Helga Scow Stern]

25. Yes, I posted on that above, and have already written him.

It may not be appropriate for him to be the ONE, but he should definitely know how important this election fraud issue is to us, and he needs to familiarize himself with the content of the Conyers forums.

[VTGold]

29. Yeah - and he's so very cut and dried - not to be messed with -

I'd really like to see him stand up

[saracat]

20. Bill Nelson? Rumoured he had agreed to sign at one time.

Feingold? McCain ( On grounds of making up for bad behaviour? LOL. He'd never do it!) Robert Byrd. He has nothing to lose!

[AmerDem]

40. I called Nelson's office

when that rumor was going around. It turned out to be just that, a rumor. His aide had no idea what it was about but they were interested in the info and wanted addresses of web sites siting it.

[Zan_of_Texas]

22. It's not gonna be one.

Notice how when Conyers held the briefings, there were other Reps there?

There is no point in one Senator becoming the next candidate for a small plane crash.

There needs to be a nice bunch of them.

They need to get it that we can't go on like this.

We need to turn up the heat. Letters are NOT getting it!

Money and research for AIDS didn't materialize until dying people chained themselves to the doors of the Centers for Disease Control.

Civil rights legislation didn't happen without riots.

I'm not suggesting riots. I'm just saying, letters are being ignored. We need to brainstorm.

[4MoreYearsOfHell]

23. We need all Dem. senators

led by John Kerry, to stand as one on this...

time to show some backbone...

[seito]

24. I agree

The Senate Democrats need to make a strong stand. I am not sure that they won't. I think a lot depends on the hard evidence that is uncovered.

[Karmadillo]

26. You're right. We need to organize in a way where we can effectively show

the party they'll get no money and no support and, if necessary, no votes if they don't make sure the votes in Ohio are counted and if they don't make sure the next election will be a fair election where everyone, regardless of party affiliation or skin color, will be allowed to vote and be certain who they voted for and know that their vote was counted. Once we have the organization, we'll have our Senator.

[bearfan454]

27. Kennedy

Yes since 2 of his brothers were murdered for greed.

[Amaryllis]

28. What some Oregonians are doing to try for a senator

I have posted this on another thread on this same topic, but am going to post here too because I think getting a senator or several is one of the most important things we can do.

http://www.dpo.org/news/documents/1780.html
The Oregon Democrats hand-delived this resolution to our senators and reps (except Smith who wouldn't meet with them):

This is an excerpt from the resolution (see link for entire text):

U.S. Representatives Earl Blumenauer, Peter DeFazio, Darlene Hooley, David Wu, and Greg Walden we encourage and support

-a public and aggressive participation, alongside Congressional Representatives Conyers, Nadler, Wexler, Holt, Scott, Watt, Baldwin, Miller, Slaughter, Filner, Lee, Meeks, Olver, and Schakowsky in calling upon the Government Accountability Office (GAO), to perform a timely and thorough investigation into all voting irregularities nationwide
-a public pledge to challenge the electors from any and all states where irregularities and possible fraud have surfaced

Senators Ron Wyden and Gordon Smith, we encourage and support

-a public pledge to step forward and concur with any such challenges to state electors brought by members of the U.S. House of Representatives

Americans need assurances that their elected representatives are working with steadfast determination to ensure every vote is counted.

Your efforts to this end may be difficult and will likely be challenged by those currently satisfied with the perceived election results. However, for those who believe that America's promise of "liberty and justice" and a counted vote "for all" MUST be honored, your efforts will be recognized as nothing less than heroic.

Respectfully,
Democratic Party of Oregon

AND

We are writing letters and making phone calls asking our senators to support "any challenge of the 2004 election brought by members of the House of Representatives."

AND

This is a petition we are going to circulate and ask people who are involved with this issue to get five people to sign (or more if they want, but five is manageable even for busy people) and then send to our senators:

Dear Senator ________:

We, the undersigned citizens of Oregon, agree that a repeat of the betrayal of the 2000 election where no senator stood up to support the members of the House of Representatives in challenging the election outcome would be unacceptable.

We urge you to openly voice your support of any challenge of the 2004 election brought by members of the House of Representatives.

Respectfully,

(We feel that we need to bombard them with the message that a repeat of 2000 is not acceptable! Politely.)

[stellanoir]

30. don't flame me for this

but let's pull a "Zell" on them and get Chafee. He's quirky, eccentric, moderate, and didn't even vote for *. It'd be far more powerful coming from a Repub.

He recently got back from a trip to Iraq and even Biden was singing his praises. "He's quiet but he has a spine."

He's my Senator and I'm totally irked by my other Senator's (Jack Reed's) attitude about Diebold. A few RI zip codes for getting through to his Senatorial addy would be 02840, 02878, 02837, 02835. . .

They generally only read e-mails from their constituents.

[Helga Scow Stern]

35. That sounds like an excellent idea...

why not try to get Republican support? Surely there are some who hate what is going on as much as we do. I will write to him now. And you can always just use the address and zip they have for their state office.

[jamboi]

31. Boxer. In CA we're working on her.Got tons o signatures this weekend.n/t

[GregD]

32. Help us here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2822342

Let us know who you call so we can keep a record of which Senate/House Members are being contacted.

[jamboi]

38. Greg, how did Monday in Sacramento go? How's Boxer petition going?n/t

[GregD]

39. Dunno. I didn't go back to Sac Monday

and I have not heard much. I stayed home and worked on code.

[seito]

86. I was there

There were about 200-250 people around noon at the Capitol. There Here is a short article from the Sac Bee.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/politics/story/11763504p-12648443c.html

We marched from the Federal Building (5th and I) to the Capitol (10th and L) The organizers had hundred of boxes painted black which we all carried. The length of the march the crowd chanted Every vote counts Count every vote. We got quite a bit of attention, mostly positive.

Lots more signatures were gathered to submit to Senator Boxer. The petitions that were on hand were delivered yesterday morning, but there were hundred of signatures gathered during the event. The consensus from the crowd and speakers was that Boxer, not Feinstein would be the best bet.

There was a whole lot of energy there. Two of the electors, Diana Madoshi and Chuck Lowery spoke at the event. There were many electors in attendance in the crowd. Air America Talk City 1240 was there. I think they were giving away t-shirts.

The event was organized by Sacramento for Democracy www.sacramentofordemocracy.org

[Helga Scow Stern]

43. I'm not a caller, but I write. I'd be happy to keep track of this on your

site if it was easy and obvious how to do so.

[Vote4Kerry]

34. Mikulski of Maryland-she experienced vote machine problems personally

Definitely try to get Senator Mikulski of Maryland. She experienced problems with voting machines personally and has even backed a voting machine bill in Maryland. Check out this article about it:
----------------------------

"Sen. Barbara Mikulski added her name Monday to a bill that would require electronic voting machines to produce a paper record of ballots, just one day after a machine she tested at a local festival produced an erroneous result.

The Maryland Democrat signed on as a co-sponsor to legislation filed by Sen. Bob Graham, D-Florida, Mikulski aide Michael Morrill said. Graham's bill was introduced in April in response to fears that electronic voting machines used nationwide are subject to human error, could fail or be tampered with."




http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/09/13/politics1858EDT0674.DTL

[bigmonkey]

36. If it's an outgoing senator you need -

why not Edwards himself? Am I being silly, or dumb?

[KyndCulture]

37. An outgoing Sen. cannot help us.

The new senate is sworn on 1/3 according to the senate website if I am reading it correctly.

What we need is a Sen. with nothing to lose, does anyone know a senator NOT running for reelection in 06?

[Freddie Stubbs]

41. The new Senators will have already taken office BEFORE the electoral votes

are counted.

[madfloridian]

42. Bob Graham.

.

[Freddie Stubbs]

44. He will be out of office before then

The new Congress convenes on January 4.

[Wiley50]

45. I suggest the Independent

Pat Leahy
He's a natural.
Just being an independent takes guts.

Wiley

[Freddie Stubbs]

53. Jim Jeffords is the Independant--Leahy is a Democrat

[Wiley50]

66. OOPS! But, you get my idea?

[The Bear]

46. Related thread

For those who didn't see it, the excerpts below are from a related thread yesterday. Personally, I'm hopeful that a lot of pressure on some Senators will pay off. Maybe this has been Kerry's strategy all along??? (I keep hoping, anyway, that he actually has had a strategy to address the widespread fraud and the stolen election, to try to fight for the protection of our democracy.)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x149568


formernaderite (620 posts) Mon Dec-13-04 08:22 PM
Response to Original message

36. In the end...even if the lawsuit pushes forward...the congress...

which is still Republican would vote Bush in. I admire all of you for your faith, but the energy is misplaced.
___________

Senator (107 posts) Tue Dec-14-04 12:05 AM
Response to Reply #36

38. Not necessarily

Edited on Tue Dec-14-04 12:33 AM by Senator

I know it's hard to imagine any Reps doing the right thing. But it's one thing to stand by while someone else is having their crony friends put a fix in that affords you plausible deniability (even to your own conscience).

It's quite another to stare down the barrel of 70% negative public opinion and become complicit with treason.

Remember the failed impeachment. The Reps in the Senate were beside themselves trying to ditch that tar baby. And this time it wouldn't just be 70% thinking they should Moveon. It would be 70% of the public thinking that there's treason afoot.

And they thought they had an image problem with Gingrich around

[KoKo]

48. Senator Byrd. At this point in his career it wouldn't hurt him. He might

be happy to do it as his parting gift of his long years in service in the Senate defending the Constitution.

I can't think of any others whose careers it wouldn't hurt and who wouldn't be targeted by the Right Wing with threats. :shrug:

[ElementaryPenguin]

50. Byrd, Kennedy & Obama! If ALL Dems do it - noone gets hurt politically

Perhaps the damn thing can snowball. We really could use them all to underscore the severity of this crime!! IS THAT TOO MUCH TO FUCKING ASK, DEMS??????

:shrug:

[LSparkle]

56. Bra-fucking-vo!

Safety in numbers!

[ElementaryPenguin]

62. Exactly!

The Repukes seem to have no problem doing everything in goose, er, lock-step! Time to repay them!

[mod mom]

60. Great Idea: ALL DEM senators UP TO THE PLATE!

[neversaynever]

61. Here is the text of an email I sent to ALL senators; cc'd Conyers, etal

Dear Senator:

Even though I reside outside your jurisdiction and as such may not be considered your constituent, I write you today regarding a matter that is of great concern to all Americans; indeed, to the very notion of democracy and the democratic process.

As you may or may not be aware, substantial controversy has arisen in the wake of our most recent presidential election. Charges of voting fraud, voter suppression and the disenfranchisement of minority voters have circulated not only on the internet and in the international press, but also within the ranks of the government and the citizenry. At present, there is enough evidence of irregularities, anamolies and incidents to strongly suggest that the results of the election currently scheduled for certification do not accurately reflect the will of the people because tens, perhaps hundreds of thousands of voters were either prevented from casting ballots or their votes remain uncounted.

On Dec. 6, the House Judiciary Committee held a forum in Washington, DC, in which many people spoke passionately about the issues at hand and the implications involved in certifying the dubitable results of the November 2 election. In his opening statement, Congressman John Conyers stated: "This is not about John Kerry, this is about the voters. There were voters who stood in ten-hour lines to exercise their most basic and fundamental civic right. There were voters who worked for days to the polls for the elderly and the poor and to provide assistance to language minorities. As hard as voters worked for the vote, we need to work just as hard to make every single vote count."

As Mr. Jesse Jackson, Sr. reminds us in his puissant commentary on the state of affairs, especially as the issues at hand pertain to traditionally "underrepresented" groups, "the race is not over until it is certified that every vote is counted and until a full investigation shows that every vote was honored. And for the future credibility of the process, we must end the practice and precedent of voter suppression and disenfranchisement schemes."

Though the mainstream media has suppressed the controversy as effectively as partisan-efforts suppressed major constituencies' votes in this election, there are many thousands, perhaps millions, of concerned American citizens currently actively involved in the campaign to withhold certification of the election results until all the ongoing recounts and investigations have been completed.

This is not a partisan issue: it relates to the integrity of our democratic process. Whatever your partisan loyalties, whatever your political ambitions, I urge you to take a stand NOW in the name of democracy--a principle we currently seek to bring to the Middle East in a multi-billion-dollar campaign that has already cost us well over a thousand American lives and over 100,000 Iraqi civilian casualties. It is time for all Americans, our Senators and Representatives included, to demonstrate to ourselves and to the rest of the world that we do indeed represent the ideals of democracy: if we cannot conduct fair elections in our own country, we certainly cannot be taken seriously as representatives of democracy in the rest of the world.

Regardless of whether a proverbial "smoking gun" will ever be found to prove beyond a shadow of doubt that fraudulent tampering with machines led to the incumbent party's putative victory, there is every reason to believe that this election was "rigged" by suppressing the voices and votes of substantial portions of the population.

I urge you to review documentation of the Dec. 6 forums now available at the House Judiciary Committee website:

http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/voteforum.html

I furthermore encourage you to review additional evidence and documentation that has been compiled and collected by concerned citizens in their concerted, collaborative efforts to determine what, exactly, did happen in our most recent presidential election. The following website provides a comprehensive overview of documentation:

http://shadowbox.i8.com/

I urge you to vote your conscience and protest the certification of the final vote tally in congress. Anything else represents an unconscionable act of negligence on your part. The citizens have collected and presented enough evidence to merit and indeed to mandate that you do everything in your power to prevent the certification of these results.

I remain respectfully yours,

[ElementaryPenguin]

65. What possible justification can there be for NOT doing so??

:shrug:

Why do we always have to beg these wimpy and/or sleazy f*ckers do stand up and do the right thing?

:puke:

[neversaynever]

73. I call it "protocol" I guess and just try to "follow the script"

in order to possibly get results....

[bklyncowgirl]

52. What about Lautenberg?

On his way out but what a way to go.

[WritersBlock]

57. Is everyone ruling out Hillary Clinton?

If I was in her shoes, I would be especially interested in standing up for legitimate future elections.

Or am I being naive?

[helderheid]

63. I agree she'd care...

but if this ended up getting Kerry in, it would be unlikely she'd run in 2008 (which I think she plans on doing).

[Must_B_Free]

64. She wants Kerry out of her way for 2008

[Chimpanzee]

58. I bet they don't even let anyone film it this time

[joanski01]

67. If it's on the Senate Floor,

it has to be carried by C-Span2. We'll be watching them.

[TruthIsAll]

68. Will, NOW your talking. I guess replies to your last post got your

adrenalin going.

Will, this is it. If no Dem steps up (and I pleaded for just one to do so over the weekend) this is the death-knell. The demoralization alone will bring about many suicides.

When you can no longer believe in justice, what is left to believe in?

How did we come to this?

[KerryReallyWon]

70. How about OHIO SENATOR Dennis Kucninch?

[graywarrior]

71. Yes, Kucinich

[Freddie Stubbs]

72. REPRESENTATIVE Kucinich hasn't said much about the issue

Other than that he supports a recount. He was on national TV last night and did not mention it.

[WilliamPitt]

79. 1. He isn't a Senator; 2. He is AWOL from this fight.

I've been asking around in Conyers office. Kucinich has been repeatedly invited to participate in this - it is, after all, happening in his back yard - and has not gotten into the game in any way. It is pretty damned frustrating.

[jamboi]

80. Mostly, but not entirely AWOL. Did make positive supportive statement.

Maybe he'll jump in. He'd be a good one to work on IMO.

[WilliamPitt]

81. He did? Great. Can you show me where?

[mzmolly]

87. Some info here:

http://nov2truth.org/article.php?story=20041209154637222

[elizm]

74. Why can't Edwards do it??

He's on the way out (of the Senate) anyway. Isn't he supposed to be for the 'little guys' up against the giants?

[cyberpj]

85. That's what I thought, but

perhaps Elizabeth's cancer fight is more important right now and someone else would take up the fight.

[EFerrari]

75. 3 tips on letters

1. Keep it short - under 150 words. You have 30 seconds to make your point.

2. Be clear about what you want done: a reply or whatever. Say it directly & the end of the letter.

3. CC your state DNC

[cindyw]

77. John Kerry nt

[elizm]

78. Who is a Senator who...

would be looking at a close fight for re-election next time around and could be the next victim of the same election fraud/vote machine tampering? It seems they are all looking after their possible future runs for office and don't want to do anything to screw that up...But can't they figure it out???? THEIR seats will get stolen eventually through the same election fraud if they don't stand up now!!!

[gdub]

83. See the attached link for thoughts on this...

Blog: Election Scam-o-rama
Post: How might the election results change?
Link: http://scam-o-rama.blogspot.com/2004/12/how-might-election-results-change.html

--

[cyberpj]

84. I wrote BIDEN - here's another DU thread on same topic

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x153870

[Poiuyt]

89. Russ Feingold - He doesn't mind being a maverick

He always does what's right for the Constitution