The missing link of Bev Harris!

[Stew225]

Would someone PLEASE let me know if there is any audio of the Rhodes-Harris fight?

I've done searches; checked out White Rose; the other Randi Rhodes site; etc., etc. , but haven't come up with any audio.

Also, if the audio has been deleted (due to "technical difficulties") isn't that, uh, like, really a shame?

Thanks for your help!

[Snivi Yllom]

1. I find the missing portion to be velly velly interesting

you cant make this shit up, rolls and rolls of tinfoil required to get a handle on all of this

why is it in the 21st century so hard to hear the truth?

[Stephanie]

3. Something is missing from the archived show?

What's missing?

[Snivi Yllom]

7. the entire BH RR discussion

gone vanished vamoosed erased hasta la vista

[Stephanie]

11. Holy sh*t

Probably Bev threatened to sue her

[Snivi Yllom]

21. thats sounds like a an easy $100 bet

:wtf:

[SomthingsGotaGive]

47. correction below

[CountAllVotes]

2. I'd sure like to know too!

I mailed Bev Harris some cash being her paypal.com acct. was not working and the site had been hacked at the time (this was a few weeks ago).

Now I've heard bits and pieces about this whole thing (blackboxvoting) being a scam almost or something (have we been conned?) - ??? :shrug:

What have I missed? I haven't been exactly right on top of things lately due to my health and I really did not have that extra money to send to Bev but I did it anyway thinking it was urgent.

Were we conned? I'd love to know what that argument was all about and I agree with poster #1!

Regards from CountAllVotes

:grr:

:kick:

[jamboi]

5. No, no con. Randi Rhodes yesterday put her on the air and got on her

about not being responsive. We don't know if Harris might not have been the victim of some Reich Wing Psy Ops operation. Its really too early to say anything useful about the tiff. Andy lost his job and BBV made some harsh charges that were posted on their web site. Other than that we really don't know much despite what anyone might say.

[Eloriel]

32. Not a scam, but whether your money was well spent is

something you'll have to decide for yourself.

As I understand it (didn't hear it myself), Randi was primarily trying to get some accountability from Bev for the thousands of contributions Randi was responsible for funneling Bev's way, and Bev didn't do all that well in responding.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

53. Eloriel, as someone close to this issue how can you be sure.

What constitutes a scam or con?

Isn't saying she had the smoking gun a scam?

Didn't she ask us to spread the fraud meme then retract it only AFTER the money stooped flowing in from Dem's? Isn't that a con?

Is it a scam to collect money under false pretenses? If anyone had any doubts about her mission statement she clarified it for us YESTERDAY!!!!!


All of this sounds like a scamming con artist to me.

[valis]

84. Frankly, Bev sounded like a babbling idiot.

Sorry to say. Glad I never donated a penny...

[tishaLA]

4. I listened to it on the "illegal" archives

http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/

The second half of yesterday's show.

[AmerDem]

6. I just downloaded from that site

first and second half, it's not there. Isn't the link you provided for her actual site?

[tishaLA]

8. How odd.

I listened to it last night/this morning at that link. Now the BH audio is not there. Trust me when I say it was at 2 AM PST

[AmerDem]

14. actually

I checked that site this morning and at the time only the first half was available. The second half didn't become available until early afternoon. Maybe you downloaded from the white society site where the interview was shortened do to tech. difficulties. Anyway, these two women aren't worth much more of my time.

[tishaLA]

15. No. I listened to it early this morning from the "illegal" archives

and I listened to it again this morning when I woke up because I wanted to listen to the post-BH calls, which I did not do last night/this morning.

[Stew225]

10. That's what Imean, the 2nd half part from

the illegal web site doesn't even have it. Ben said something in one thread about he had "technical difficulties" recording that particular hour. Uh huh.

[tishaLA]

13. Well thats fucked up

because I KNOW I listened to it last night. It was all there.

[Snivi Yllom]

9. how far in?

hours and minute?

[tishaLA]

12. It's not there now, as far as I can ascertain

I'm not sure what's up. See my post above: I listened to it early this morning and the whole convo was there.

[Stew225]

16. Damn. We're all Democrats and subject to

censoring. Bummer.

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Did you try to search

before you asked?

Thanks.

[Stew225]

18. As i state in the original post, I searched

and searched but nada.

[DoYouEverWonder]

20. Sorry, I just scanned the post

and it's just that we have enough Bev threads already.

Thanks.

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Excuse me?

Did I commit such a grievous act to warrant being called a nitwit? Take a chill pill.

[AmerDem]

24. there is no excuse for ya

your words speak for themselves.

[Pepper32]

23. Yes, it is.

I have been trying to locate the second part of the show since 11pm EST yesterday and none of the sites have it.


I wouldn't be surprised if Bev is threatening to sue... :eyes:

[shireen]

25. what the hell ...

It's definitely missing from the illegal archives. I've emailed the owner about it.

Also emailed Tim Allan, requesting that the interview be posted on Randi's website.

Will let you know if I hear from them.

[Eikon]

26. The rundown

Here is every site with the file, and every one has been edited to remove the final hour, due to "technical difficulties".

http://airamericaplace.com/archive.php?mode=show&id=6
http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/
http://homepage.mac.com/benburch/Rhodes.html

I can also confirm that some had the file in it's entirety for a short period of time. If anyone out there has the full mp3 file, please let me know and we will arrange plans so that I can host it for everyone.

[n69n]

27. I have the complete file!!!

I have the complete file!!!

i can edit a clip of the bev segment, if you can host it somewhere!

[Eikon]

28. Wonderful

Great news! Please zip it up and email it to [e-mail]. I will then post a link for everyone ASAP.

If the total file after zipping is larger than 5 megs, please do as you suggested and just cut me the Bev convo.

Thank you!

[althecat]

35. I would be happy to mirror this file...

[e-mail]

[Kelvin Mace]

79. Al! Glad to see you still around!

Yet another one of Bev's victims still among the living, thank God. <g>

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[AmerDem]

34. Thanks

:toast:

[hlthe2b]

30. Wow, that IS strange!

[Duer 157099]

33. I've got it n/t

[Eikon]

36. Hi

Other guy hasn't gotten back to me. You can email it to me, or if you know how to work a FTP, you can also drop it here:

ftp://u35755648-ba:[e-mail]/

[Duer 157099]

37. even zipped it's a 36mb file

I will edit it down to just the Bev portion; will email to you if it's less than 5mb.

[Eikon]

38. Any size is fine

If you're in internet explorer you should be able to click on the ftp link and simply Edit > Paste the file there. There is no size limit for that one

[Kelvin Mace]

78. Can you send me a copy??

I caught the aftermath of Bev's "talk".

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[SomthingsGotaGive]

56. I think I'm sending you a 4meg real media file

I also have it edited to a 14meg mp3.

Tell me if you get it.

[n69n]

74. just sent you an email!

just sent you an email!

[Eikon]

40. C'mon folks

Someone out there must have the goods...

[SomthingsGotaGive]

54. I have it!! n/t

[high density]

77. Air America Place had the final hour last night, I listened to it twice!

Why did they mess with it?

[hlthe2b]

29. The last hour is missing on www.airamericaplace.com, but the interview

came earlier, so it should still be there since RR's show is four hours.

[Generic Other]

31. Orwellian I tell ya!

I listened to it twice last night!

[Must_B_Free]

39. Can anyone who can hear it confirm

the details about Andy not workng with Bev anymore?

Does Bev say something to the effect that "this is the first I am hearing of this?"

[Duer 157099]

43. What Bev said about Andy

RR: ...and then I talk to Andy, and Andy tells me you two aren't working together anymore

Bev: Huh, he does? I had no idea... okay...

(crosstalk)

RR: So are you still working with Andy? Are you and Andy still together? Because, if I get some information from him, is that the same as getting it from you?

Bev: It's not the same, apparently. Umm, he had a death in the family, and so he was gone for a period of time. He's just gotten back... This is the first I'm hearing that he's not working with us anymore, I'll have to find out what's going on. (and then she goes into Diebold stuff)

[Maddy McCall]

69. Fucking bitch is a liar.

She said on her message board three nights ago that "big news" would be coming from the "board of directors" (which appear to be nothing more than yes-men to what bev wants--or it would have been her that they canned).

She knew this was coming. Are Bev supporters yet sick of getting smoke blown up their asses?

[tishaLA]

83. It couldn't be said any better, Maddy

[SomthingsGotaGive]

57. Yes indeed she does.

Andy said here on DU last night an activist pointed him to the BBV site for news of his firing.

Yet Randi says Andy called her and told her he was no longer working for Bev or BBV.ORG

Maybe Andy called Randi and said he quit.

Randi never says fired.

Maybe Bev was blind sided on the radio about the Andy issue but her answers to all the other questions were Brutal.

[Must_B_Free]

87. The problem is that Randi is a non techie

there was a bunch of banter wasted on "source codes", as Randi misnames them.

She is so pushy, it never really got across that there are multiple versions of source code and while Bev had the one that was on the internet, it most certainly want the same code used on the voting machines on election day.

It sounds like Andy tired to get back at Bev and I think it was disingenuous of him to pretend that he didn't know that there was anything going on between them.

He can lay the fired/quit game but it is clear from that transcript that he intentionally had Bev blindsided, out of spite.

And he whines that Bev wouldn't let him go to his dying sister? BS! People don't control you. What, did she have a gun to his head?

We make our own choices in life.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

89. You are truly contemptuous.

While I believe neither Andy, nor Bev, at least I am consistent.

In one thread you will demand that people distinguish between ad homonym attack and fact filed inquisition, yet in another you engage in the same speculative attacks you condemn.

You refuse to answer a single direct question regarding Bev's numerous lies and obfuscations and instead twist and turn trying to project the best possible spin for Bev.

Even if you aren't even responding to anything I have asked.

In the past three weeks I have tried to "expose" "prove" and "debunk" BlackboxVoting.*"ORG"*. I, along with others much more qualified, have provided link after link proving the case. Yet here you are still trying to spin in the wind.

If I wasn't certain that hundreds and hundreds of people have, and will, visit this site due to the coverage "Bev-gate" has received I would let your futile efforts side off into oblivion.

But they are coming and coming. I know it's eating you up but I'll be here to tell the truth for you when you misspeak.



To all the people close to the BBV issue more concerned with protecting it than exposing BlackBoxVoting.ORG I would like you to consider the following.

What has just happened to the BBV movement is IMO similar to what happened to Televangelists when Jim and Tammy were exposed.

They weren't the only Televangelists but they were prominent spokespeople for the movement and when they were discredited so were the honest and decent ones.

BBV.org was selling hope. They know and we know it.

The BBV "movement" on the other hand has much more than just hope and now faces a major PR hurdle in order to undo the DAMAGE BEV HARRIS, Andy Stephenson, Kathleen Wynne, and the ENTIRE BBV.ORG Board of Directors have done to this cause SINCE NOV 2 2004.

If you want to claim unity as your best hope at salvaging what's left of this issue you risk looking like the Church that closes ranks when scandal erupts.

We must exorcise the demons OURSELVES to show the world we are responsible, accountable, trustworthy, and most important.... capable of the task.

To stick your head in the sand and hope this will blow over is naive. Bev will indeed blow over but she will take the credibility of the movement with her.

NOT ON MY WATCH!!!

[Must_B_Free]

94. OMG, the hits keep on rolling...

On this thread you say:

In the past three weeks I have tried to "expose" "prove" and "debunk" BlackboxVoting.*"ORG"*. I, along with others much more qualified, have provided link after link proving the case.

On the other thread you say

I have never said anything that would even hamper those investigations.

which is it? Are you for, against or neither?

Plus you say "Problem is it's your word against the worlds that the "tapes" exist." when a Volusia Election Supervisor herself confirms that these tapes exist to attempt to defend against BBV's investigation.

Your facts are wrong and so is your position. Let them do their work and see what comes of it.

[SomthingsGotaGive]

96. I'm sorry I didn't make myself clear.

Tapes meaning video tape.

The poll tape most certainly better exist.

Show me one single shred of evidence that either the poll tapes with different figures signed were in the garbage.

Or offer me any evidence that she has VIDEO TAPE of that evidence.

What happened to her "lockdown" with the real estate lawyer?

....


How can exposing lies and obfuscations of previous, and current claims from BBV.org hamper the release of FUTURE claims.

I started to question the veracity of her claims and started checking, hoping to resolve some inconsistencies.

Instead I was abused and vilified for asking and never once did I receive an answer to my most basic question.

How much money have you raised.

If Bev raised 20 thousand dollars I'd think she was remarkably resourcefully.

If she has raised 4 million dollars I'd say we are looking at a serious situation.

Problem is......I think it's more than 4 million because she has never said how much. EVER.

If it was a mere pittance don't you think she would be crying out what a hardship she has to endure due to such limited funds?


So there you go.

Now if you think demanding the same transparency from voting activists as we do from election officials is wrong that's up to you.

But to suggest I want to hinder any future quality work or current investigations from BBV.ORG is to misrepresent my argument.

Even if you think you have pasted incongruous posts of mine.

[Eikon]

41. DOWNLOAD HERE!

http://s93151849.onlinehome.us/bev.mp3
http://legion.gibbering.net/eik/bev.mp3

Thanks to dotcosm! Extra mirror to come soon from althecat.

[althecat]

44. On second thoughts...

Sorry folks I am taking this mirror down. While I am always against censorship hence my keeness to hear this - people are being a bit excessively unpleasant around here.

And frankly I would like to stay out of it all. I expressed my views on Bev here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=201&topic_id=3300#3756

And notwithstanding all the recent shit I have not changed my opinion. I have been lucky enough to work with bev on some extraordinary work in the past and I do not feel like pissing all over that notwithstanding all the crap.

[ccarter84]

52. thanks! downloading

[bunny planet]

66. Thank you, I was able to listen to the second one. I am interested in what

happened after Randi came back from break, and what was said then. I had to miss that last hour of the show. Apparently a republican called her right after she had to get off with Bev.

[bunny planet]

71. Randi, who is a Clinton lover, must have gotten wind of Bev's antics

selling the cigars during the impeachment. She would be predisposed to dislike Bev after hearing that I'm sure. Still, on a second listen, Randi did not jump all over Bev until the end, she let her go on and on, saying just about nothing, really let her talk and then when Randi couldn't take the evasiveness anymore, she let her have it, in her inimitable,abrasive fashion. I think Bev met her match, too bad she had to turn around and take it out on Andy it seems. Anyway, I would like to hear the audio archives of the last hour of the show, after Bev's phone call was over. Do you have that section of the show for me to download. I got the gibbering one last time, the onlinehome link hung my computer.
I'd really appreciate hearing it if you've got it.

Thanks.

[AmerDem]

81. Thanks Eikon

:toast:

[onecitizen]

42. I have it on RePlay Radio...........

but I have no idea how I could get it to you. RePlay Radio is new to me (I love it BTW) but I don't know how to use it yet. I copy AAR all day long and some shows on weekend too if anybody ever needs something checked.

[BeHereNow]

45. You Guys ROCK!

Thanks for the links to the "disappeared" audio.
I guess Bev threatented to sue Randi too?

I DO NOT trust Bev or BBV at this point.
The Andy thing was despicable, but trying to
cover her statements on a radio show is highly
questionable in a whole different way.

Randi put her ass on the line petitioning for funds for Bev.
The least Bev could do is account for the amount she received and
how it is being spent.
We know there is now one less salary to pay, as in Andy.
So, how much did she receive, and HOW is it being spent?
Is it left solely to her discetion?
Does the board participate in deciding how funds are used?
Is there any accountment of the process?

BHN

[althecat]

46. After listening I can kinda understand why they hid it...

Not the most enlightening piece of audio on BBV to have hit the airways.

[BeHereNow]

49. And that is EXACTLY WHY they did hide it...

It exposes just how MUDDLED the whole operation is.
BHN

[Randi_Listener]

48. Jesus, Randi horsefucked her.

Jesus Fuck-Ass Christ

[BeHereNow]

50. I think she was completey reasonable in her line of questioning!

And that's saying a LOT for me-
I am not a Randi fan.
But EVERY point Randi addressed was totally
justified.
BHN

[Randi_Listener]

58. I fucking knew it.

It's another ass fucking.

[crispini]

51. Ya know, you don't f*ck with Randi Rhodes.

I got the feeling that Randi learned quite a lot about the sitch BEFORE Bev called in.

[Randi_Listener]

55. What's the final fucking word on Bev?

Is there some dogshit here?

[crispini]

59. LOL, can we use the word FUCK some more in this thread?

Um, do you really want the Bev recap or are you just kidding around?

[Randi_Listener]

60. No one will tell me what the fuck happened.

Did Bev fuck it up again?

[SomthingsGotaGive]

61. go to the link provided

Sadly it speaks for itself.

[crispini]

62. It does sound like more of the same,

Have you been following the Bev saga?

Basically, Bev called into Randi, Randi took her out behind the woodshed, because Bev had not been calling her back. Bev was kind of waffly, i.e. didn't get messages. Then, later, Bev posted a very public notice on her website about Andy Stephenson getting fired that was quite defamatory. Also she went on the radio this morning (NYC station), said some negative things about DU, and talked about vote fraud in Fla possibly being attributed to Dems.

I think that's pretty much it, in the short form.

[Randi_Listener]

65. I didn't know fuck about it until today.

I knew she was fucking with the BBV but hadn't heard jack shit in about a month. Now the goddamn shitty lid is blowing off.

[crispini]

67. Well, apparently there is quite a long backstory

going back a year or two.

The most recent thread, inspired by Bev vs. Keith Olbermann, about two weeks ago, is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

(Warning: it's really fucking long.)

If you want the entire nine yards, you can read the thread and all the accompanying links, which will give you the entire history. (I did just that when all this first came out.) If you want the short version, the original post pretty much sums it up.

[Randi_Listener]

73. Goddamn, I stepped in some fucking shit here.

[crispini]

75. LOL, Randi_Listener.

I fucking think we all goddamn stepped in the shit.

I'm sorry, I'm not making fun of you, :evilgrin: I'm just finding all the profanity pretty funny.

Pretty fucking funny. Heh. :D Free speech baby!

[Randi_Listener]

76. This is bad. :(

[crispini]

80. It's ok, really.

there are more people working on BBV than Bev Harris. many, many more. yes, it is not a good scene overall. but better to find out NOW than in 6 mos or a year. she is still trying to do good work and who knows, maybe something good will come of her efforts. right now I'm more into Conyers, OHIO, etc and trying to to figure out what happened to TRIAD.

long term: be your own BBV.

Join your local league of women voters (I did)... or something... seriously, they know what's goin down. the ones in my town do anyway. it's weird, all these little old ladies talking about voting integrity and paper ballots.

it ain't all in Bev's basket by a long shot.

[bunny planet]

70. I should have just sent in a dollar, like Randi suggested.

I sent in over $25. to someone who appears bi-polar at best, and is now going on air and trashing the democratic party about voting isssues that the Republicans clearly cheated on. Swell. I want my money back in that case.

[alittlelark]

86. Over the last 2 years I sent in over $500

I hope that the $$$ would not have been better spent on the increasing # of homeless in my area....... sigh.

[valis]

88. OMG, $500 ? You probably paid for Bev's stay at the HIlton

somewhere...

[alittlelark]

93. If she was doing what needs to be done -

I'm OK w/it. If not, I'm not pleased.

[ccarter84]

63. Ok, just listened to first four minutes...

*edit* Downloaded something that I guess was corrupt, listening to whole thing now.... */edit*
I don't see what I'm missing, Randi was asking bev for something she couldn't get via FOI...duh, and Bev seems to be in over her head and confused...so probably sleep deprived and tapped phones

we need someone with a cool head to take charge of whatever bev is following...and no the IP address thing didn't pan out for those who missed the threads yesterday (it was an internal network IP)

[tishaLA]

64. It's much longer than 4 minutes

I'd say closer to 20-25 minutes long. And it's worse, IMHO, than just sleep deprived and in over her head. Randi asked important, substantive questions and got nothing in return.

[ccarter84]

68. ok...kind of a smackdown.,...I just hope

that her phone hasn't been hacked; which of course is what I believe has happened, but I don't know what good that will do my betting that is.

[Randi_Listener]

72. I received several private messages that Bev was a total fuck up shitbag.

But I never fucking believed them.

[tishaLA]

82. no. not a smackdown

a request for information from someone who puts herself out front in the effort tohave verified voting.

Have you actually listened to the recording yet? I'm guessing not since you first said it was only 4 minutes long and then said it was a smackdown. Neither one of those things is true.

If her phone has been "hacked"--doubt it--do as Randi suggests and get a land line.

[ccarter84]

95. whoa there mon'

I only had the first four minutes...i downloaded the rest from a different site and listened to it...
all i'm saying is that bev can't seem to deal with the requirements of providing proof at the moment; and being the more aggressive personality, i'm going to say that randi definately overpowered her in that interview, we should offer help to bev, I don't have her number and it would be too late to do it tonight anyways, but it would be good to have her have a wider support/resource group than her 'board' of family members

as for a landline being secure...um yea good one cuz daddy doesn't have friends in the CIA and of course we don't have vague provisions in the new intelligence bill regarding 'lone wolf' groups....ok sounding too fringe for my own good, bed time.

[Griffy]

85. ever think they are bugging bevs phone.. and blocking calls?

seems far fetched... but listening to bev she just says I got no msg, or shes hiding something... but dontfocus on her... we have bigger fish to fry.. we'll deal with BBV after Jan 20th. REMINDER... BE IN DC ON THE 6th... the 6th is the date to march to support any leaders that will stand up for us.. if there are thousands outside it will give them strength!

[SomthingsGotaGive]

90. Ever think it's up to Bev to check in with Randi.

[Kelvin Mace]

91. No,

paranoid fanatasies are counter-productive to good mental health.

David Allen
www.thoughtcrimes.org

[Lisabtrucking]

92. Here it is

http://www.randirhodesarchives.com/