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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:14 PM Original message |
Democracy in America is about to die because of JOHN KERRY!! |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. I prefer to blame it on the BFEE...but his acquiescence didn't help. nt |
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jamboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
79. Last time I checked it wasn't JK that stole our vote. n/t |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:36 AM Response to Reply #79 |
100. i didnt say he did, but while we're talking about the last time we checked |
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jamboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:24 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. Concession has no legal standing. Allows him to slip under radar. nt |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #111 |
122. Trouble is - the WHOLE DAMN THING is under the radar screen |
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The Sushi Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:16 PM Response to Original message |
2. Kucinich would not have rolled over |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I agree. Neither would/did Gore. I am really amazed/disillusioned. |
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Amaryllis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
82. Gore asked the senators not to stand up. Isn't that rollling over? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
54. Did Dennis Kucinich die? I could swear he's in Ohio and not very |
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Eye_on_prize (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
95. I saw a page of information by Kucinich on the web supporting the |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #2 |
56. Yeah, sure. Easy to say, I love these type of predictions. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
85. Considering how active Kucinich has been active in the OHIO recount... |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. What if he rescues us a couple of days from now? |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:19 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I will be happy to have been proven a fool - and will kiss his feet! |
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jamboi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. That's what I'm betting on. n/t |
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goclark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
23. Me too! |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #3 |
33. Anything that happens now is entirely due to the efforts of Greens, |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:09 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. He worked his ass off before - but he'll only take it now on a silver |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:25 PM Response to Reply #33 |
57. So, have you been involved in the strategy sessions. Do |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
4. I am praying you are absolutely wrong! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:18 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. So am I! |
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praisethelowered (71 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Right on! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:51 PM Response to Reply #11 |
25. I know! We talk about "Bush Knew." What about "KERRY KNEW"? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:28 PM Response to Reply #25 |
59. You know, I can't get over those folks that think a man would |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:46 PM Response to Reply #25 |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:19 PM Response to Original message |
8. Excellent EP!!! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Jeez, I hope to God he isn't! But I don't get it! Who here would do this |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:25 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. that is my point! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. He certainly had ample warning about the potential for e-voting fraud! |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. not so.. the time and place of his choosing... this aint over! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Perhaps it isn't - but it's getting pretty damn close. |
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smartvoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #15 |
31. We've been hearing that for a long time now. nt |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Indeed we have! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. too long... |
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suziedemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:44 PM Response to Reply #8 |
89. This is NOT about Kerry. |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:31 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. that may be..... |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 02:36 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. You got that exactly right, Leftchick, however my guess is the reason JFK |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. US, THE PEOPLE can't call a press conference. |
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bunny planet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:59 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. Kerry's lawyers have written three letters to the Ohio officials. He is |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:37 AM Response to Reply #92 |
104. We the people CAN call press... MARCH ON DC 1/6/05 .. nt |
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Mirwib (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:10 AM Response to Reply #92 |
109. His plan is to become president |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #109 |
120. LOL |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #92 |
130. Good post. |
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Goldeneye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:22 PM Response to Original message |
10. I'm gonna have to disagree |
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RoeBear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. These are the only two possibilites!?! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. They DID steal the election! There isn't any question about it! |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #10 |
43. His presence is the only that WILL do as some good at this point! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. Where is he? This isn't like an option! He HAS to frickin' respond! |
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Griffy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
14. I'll wait till the 21st of Jan to agree... he may yet turn his boat... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
16. If Kerry'd Gotten Involved ... There'd BE NO FRAUD INVESTIGATION |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. I wish I still had your faith in his judgment. |
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Mirwib (95 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
110. It would be nice to set up some verifiable tests to discern exactly |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. Well, if you consider 4 more years of Bush- |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. It's better than 4 years of Hitler, and Stalin maybe...but after that... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
61. You Totally Missed The Point. |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
124. So just sit quietly behind the scenes? |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. It's not only John Kerry, it's the Dem Party. |
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Quakerfriend (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. We really need to give him a few more weeks |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. A few more weeks? Have we got that? |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:13 PM Response to Reply #39 |
48. "We" have got nothing. |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. I suppose we're talking about "wresting" power than, aren't we? |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #50 |
60. Let me count the ways: |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Agreed. The Dem Party sucks. I ONLY trust the Black Caucus! |
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sunnystarr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:41 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. You have a valid point! (nt) |
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ohio_liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #22 |
75. Thank you. |
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daydreamer (503 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. How do you prove it though |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:54 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. How did they prove it in Ukraine? |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. The exit polls are NEVER off by the degree they were here. |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:53 PM Response to Original message |
26. Kerry's reticence is absolutely inexcusable, but not surprising. |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. Yep. |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
37. What was the big drawback with... |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
58. Don't know, but i bet Dean would be fighting tooth and nail right now. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
35. Oh give it a damn rest. |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
40. Would you have let the GOP steal the election - steal your presidency |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. I agree with Goldeneye, I believe he has behind the screens |
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budkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
44. Amen to this! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:11 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. I think you summed it all up, bud! |
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leftchick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:20 PM Response to Reply #47 |
52. me too! |
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Peace Patriot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
46. It's not over yet... |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. When do we start panicking then? Jan 20th? |
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Blue_In_AK (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:23 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. I love what you said. |
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GettysbergII (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #46 |
88. January 6, 2005 I think you mean |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
53. YOU ARE SO WRONG |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
65. Letting the Green Party take the lead. I hope "I am so wrong." |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:56 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. So what does it matter who takes the lead. I cannot fathom |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:06 PM Response to Reply #65 |
73. Check your facts |
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angrydemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. AMEN MERH! |
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coreystone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
62. Well, I don't know, maybe there was a "heads up" in 1994 when.. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. I saw a political commentator on tv last night responding to |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:34 PM Response to Reply #70 |
86. Oh, goodie, a lawsuit. |
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HeeBGBz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
64. Maybe he's waiting for the average person to expose this |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:57 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. Maybe. But I tend to doubt that the average person has the resources |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 07:56 PM Response to Original message |
68. Perfectly stated. But you also raise some interesting points. |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. Good points. But I think many of the statistical anomalies became evident |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:08 PM Response to Reply #71 |
74. You're right. And even now, he could be screaming and he's |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:21 PM Response to Reply #74 |
80. I was stunned by that Barney Frank note. |
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googly (801 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 02:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
103. yap, they claim exits had oversampled women and minorities |
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Eloriel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
72. CORRECTION |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:10 PM Response to Reply #72 |
77. I understand what you're saying, but don't think there is anything w |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #72 |
81. I beleive ONE of the things we should be doing is DEMANDING that Kerry |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. Do you mind if I send you original post to Kerry's brother?? |
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Eye_on_prize (205 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 10:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
98. Cam Kerry was on MSN last nite saying (paraphrasing ok) basically |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:23 PM Response to Reply #84 |
121. I wish you would. |
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joeunderdog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 10:00 PM Response to Reply #81 |
97. You got that right. It's more than halfway to inauguration. |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
76. maybe the republicans were right about john kerry. eom |
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Laura PourMeADrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:13 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. You mean that he's good, and decent, and wouldn't automatically |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
83. Screw you |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
87. Um, what about this that was posted the same time as your post? |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:36 AM Response to Reply #87 |
113. Yeah, mighty interesting timing, innit |
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Jo March (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 08:52 AM Response to Reply #113 |
115. Good. Thought it was just me! |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:22 PM Response to Reply #113 |
119. Coincidence, LC. I was not aware of this filing, and I am very pleased by |
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wrate (376 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:38 PM Response to Original message |
91. You want something done? Do it yourself. As they say in my country: |
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GetTheRightVote (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. It will never die because we are living here too, fight for it ourselves |
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Skip Intro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-15-04 10:15 PM Response to Original message |
99. I would have sworn that title was satire |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:03 PM Response to Reply #99 |
117. In addition to a recount in Ohio - there ought to be one in Florida |
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Chasing Dreams (294 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:40 AM Response to Original message |
101. The Kerry is AWOL argument has been discussed on and off for weeks, and |
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The Judged (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 03:48 AM Response to Original message |
105. How many days and weeks have passed, since Election Day 2004? |
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angrydemocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 05:27 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. The Judged |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #105 |
123. Repukes are not that dumb. They know this has been investigated |
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Guava Jelly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
107. Democracy is dead because Americans are sheep |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 06:34 AM Response to Reply #107 |
112. I love the whiney "I'd fight if Kerry would go first" response |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #112 |
118. People are protesting - it's Kerry that won't get off his butt! |
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Dem2theMax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 05:46 AM Response to Original message |
108. Democracy in America is about to die because of GWB, and ONLY |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #108 |
126. And if you were in Kerry's shoes, you would challenge an obviously rigged |
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NicRic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 08:51 AM Response to Original message |
114. Wait to long for your ship to come in ,miss the boat N/T |
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WI_DEM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 08:57 AM Response to Original message |
116. If Bush was told he was going to lose? how did he rig the election? |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #116 |
125. Karen Hughes has described how she informed Bush that the exit polls |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:11 PM Response to Reply #125 |
128. Rove & poppy |
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LittleClarkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 08:41 PM Response to Reply #128 |
132. The exit polls indicating a Kerry landslide |
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NewYorkerfromMass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
127. This is hyperbole |
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ElementaryPenguin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:18 PM Response to Reply #127 |
129. So what? |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
131. that's not the way it is |
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berni_mccoy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-16-04 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
133. This thread is all that is wrong with our party |
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