Where all do we see more votes than voters -- documented stories wanted

[ClarkinMich]

I keep seeing this theme, but I must admit I have not been keeping track and am on information overload.

The one I know for sure is the the FLORIDA recount. See the earlier thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x159249
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in this thread see my detailed post explaining the significance and how this alone might explain 30,000 or more of W's margin in Florida.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x159249#160467

There was also a thread tonight about this in NC, but I didn't see the back-up case.

I am trying to pull all information of this sort... cited all the way back to the original data into 1 place.

PLEASE HELP.

[KaliTracy]

1. try freepress.org they had

several accounts of things like that.

[Carolab]

2. Here's my little contribution

In Minnesota, some things I noted (and I only reviewed this congressional district because of Wetterling's race).

There are three counties where there were more voters totalled than total number of registered voters plus signatures. These three counties are Benton, Wright and Sherburne. All three are in the 6th congressional district, which is where Patty Wetterling went up against Mark Kennedy. Benton had 242 more, Wright 1242, and Sherburne 935. All other districts showed LESS total voters than the combined total of registered voters plus signatures.

Can be viewed at the SOS's website, although it may have been corrected from when I first found it a few days after the "election". I believe Bev Harris of BBV was investigating it, but I don't know where that led.

You should look through the "Voting Issues" forum. There is a huge compendium of stories there that Eloriel collected.

[rumpel]

3. I have to go back and find the file, but there was a precint in CA

Los Angeles county that had 4 registered voters and 3000 some votes cast.
I will do a search of my post and will post it.
The SOV many have been corrected since then.

[Carolab]

4. Wasn't there a precinct in Ohio like that?

Had tons more votes than voters. Someone said it was "just a glitch". I think Olbermann blogged about it, too.

On edit (from KO's blog): "There is the Gahanna machine which gave one presidential candidate 4,000 extra votes in a community of 600." He also mentioned: "The punch, of course, is the explanation that the 29 more-votes-than-voters precincts in greater Cleveland appear to have been caused by the addition of Absentee Ballots. The total difference between registered voters and votes (93,000) might be explained by that process, but it does little for one’s confidence in the whole result from Ohio."

He also noted this (reverse) situation:
The problem is, the rubber clown immediately bounces back with the report that officials in Youngstown managed to catch a slight glitch in their voting there: a total drawn from all the precincts that initially showed negative 25,000,000 million votes cast. It evokes a Monty Python sketch (“Mr. Kevin Phillips Bong - Sensible Party - 14,352. Mr. Harquin Fim Tim Lim Bim Bus Stop Fatang Fatang Ole Biscuit Barrel - Silly Party -- minus 25,000,0000).


Here's the Gahanna post from DU:

Look at page 23 on the voter returns for Franklin County, Ohio:

http://www.franklincountyohio.gov/boe/04UnofficialResul...

Check out the presidential totals for precinct Gahana 1:

The Libertarian: 13
Bush/Cheney: 6253
Kerry/Edwards: 1916
Constitutional Party: 10

Now, check out the senatorial vote in that precinct:

Republican: 2848
Democrat: 1259

Did 4000 people vote for Bush/Cheney and just skip the senatorial vote?

No. Check out the precinct voter count: 4346.

An additional 4000 Bush/Cheney votes in box Gahana 1-B: go figure!

Bush/Cheney '04: "More votes than voters: Now THAT'S a mandate!"

[Carolab]

9. I guess these are the 29 precincts mentioned

OHIO TURNS WHITE, FALLS INTO UNDECIDED COLUMN (Vote Tally Inflation; Vote switching) by Richard Hayes Phillips, Ph.D.

In 28 locations where returns ARE broken down into wards, the sum total of the votes cast in all the wards is less than the total reported for the location. For example, in Cleveland totalling the number of votes for each ward yields 165,578 votes, while the total number of votes reported is 214,902 (a discrepancy of 49,324 votes). Summing over all 28 locations the discrepancy is 214,193 votes.

In 11 locations where returns are not broken down into wards, the total votes cast are greater than the number of registered voters. In University Heights for example, there are 10,072 registered voters, and it was reported that 11,982 votes were cast - thus there were 1,910 more votes than registered voters. Summing over the 13 locations there appear to have been 26,416 more votes cast than there are registered voters.

In two cases, Solon and Strongsville, where returns are broken down into wards, the discrepancy is limited to a single ward each. Of the 7 wards in Solon, six have more registered voters than votes cast - only Ward 6 has more votes cast than voters. In Solon Ward 6 there were 4,300 votes cast while the ward only has 2,292 registered voters. Of the 4 wards in Strongsville, three wards have more registered voters than votes cast, only Ward 3 has more votes than voters). In Strongsville Ward 3 the total votes cast was 12,108 when the ward has only 7,806 registered voters.

In two cases, Mayfield Heights and Parma Heights, the total votes cast, while less than the number of registered voters, is so high 87.87% and 95.6%, respectively) as to cause a reasonable observer to question whether there was such a high turnout.

Link to Phillips' complete analysis: <http://web.northnet.org/minstrel/ohio.htm >

[rumpel]

5. Found it in my notes, as I can not use the search function

Also Group 32
3,955 BALLOTS CAST
4 REGISTERED VOTERS
I wonder if this is a business park area, there are over 1000 Dem votes and over 2000 Rep votes for all races

http://lavote.net/svc/posttally0024/bigframe.htm

This was as of 12/7/2004

[Carolab]

6. Palm Beach County

Palm Beach County Logs 88,000 More Votes Than Voters
November 5, 2004 04:56 PM


Update: Palm Beach County has updated their numbers and added 91,802 absentee ballots and 1,041 provisional ballots. Note that the vote totals for president only increased by 1,543 votes. To view an archived copy of the previous report, click here. While Palm Beach County appears to have accounted for the discrepancy, this underscores the flaws in the system and data compilation.


According to the official election results posted on the Palm Beach County election website, 542,835 ballots were cast for a presidential candidate while only 454,427 voters turned out for the election (including absentee). This leaves a discrepancy of 88,408 votes cast for the presidential candidates.

Palm Beach County's supervisor of elections is Theresa LePore who is known for the 2000 Presidential Election and the notorious "butterfly ballot" that caused confusion among seniors and other Floridians.

[Carolab]

7. Here is Gaston County, NC

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/4002177/detail.html

The moves came in the midst of an investigation by the State Board of Elections of Page's performance collecting and counting votes in last month's election.

More than 13,000 votes were omitted from the county's unofficial election results on election night, but they were later updated. However, dozens of ballots cast at curbside by voters who could not walk into a precinct may not have been counted, officials said.

So, it's actually a case of "FEWER votes than voters", here: "...including a failure by poll workers to check the number of ballots cast against the number of people recorded as voting."

Hmmm...that makes me wonder, would you find instances of "less votes than voters" in heavily Democratic districts and "more votes than voters" in heavily Republican districts? Or some pattern such as this?

[gulogulo]

8. Hate to disappoint you but

The Florida recount that you based your arguments on was mistaken. They posted an update:

http://www.recountflorida.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=11&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0

UPDATE 12/15/04: The ballot inspection results are based on the assumption that all precinct ballots were presented. The provisional ballots were accidentally left out! We are sorry for any confusion fom it. Please consider the reports incomplete.

[Carolab]

10. Sorry, but it just says it is incomplete, not MISTAKEN.

Absentee ballots are held separately. This was everything we were given access to. We are checking the location for provisionals.

[s-cubed]

11. Soquosh (sp) county, WA: 5 precincts: no link n/t