ENOUGH ABOUT KERRY - and especially enough about David Wade!!!!!

[New Earth]

Clearly, posting a statement from NOVEMBER 3RD, and knowingly doing so, makes it obvious that there are people that WANT to see us turn against Kerry.

I don't care what Cobb is saying, it all sounds a little fishy to me. This has nothing to do with that..

The point is, everyone needs to chill the hell out about Kerry. It doesn't take an idiot to figure out that there are going to be people coming here to focus solely on the fact that Kerry didn't OUTRIGHT ask for a recount and go to battle with the election. He is doing SOMETHING, for NOW, that should be good enough.

They are trying to turn us against him. I'm sure they think that (at least what they think) we are trying to overturn the election for Kerry. Therefore, if they focus on the little shit that would make us pissed of at Kerry, they think we will give up trying to prove the fraud.

IT'S NOT ALL ABOUT KERRY, SO PEOPLE NEED TO GIVE IT THE FUCK UP.

by the way, i'm not trying to offend the REAL people here who are just disappointed and frustrated in Kerry. That is expected and should be understood. But if some people here can't figure out who is a disheartened and hurt Kerry supporter and who is just trying to turn us all against him so we give up, i suggest you stop and think about this right now.

i'm tired of all of it.

[Verve]

1. Agree Completely! n/t

[RaulVB]

2. Faye:

I totally agree with you but it would be better if we don't open new treads on the topic.

[New Earth]

4. i think there needed to be a new thread

because the point is, ENOUGH ABOUT IT ALREADY!

and not everyone is going to see that message if it's posted way down another thread. i think everyone needs to just stop and think about what is going on.

[RaulVB]

5. I agree again (n/t)

[texpatriot2004]

3. I hear ya Faye. Kerry is not the problem here, or the issue. n/t

[Chimpanzee]

6. BOOOYAH!!! Bravo Faye! I agree 100%!!!

[IAMREALITY]

7. Faye,

It's All Good!

People have a right to be frustrated, others have just as much right to be hopeful, and others like me, have a right to believe that Kerry Won, is a War Hero, Campaigned Proudly, Served his Country Proudly, and for whatever reasons he is doing what he is doing is doing them for the right reasons! We also have a right to believe that this goes wayyyyyyyyy further than him alone. It is OUR country, and every one of OUR responsibilities to change it! And change it we WILL! We WILL save our democracy, for we HAVE no choice.

I'm with ya till the end Faye!

:yourock:

[BeFree]

15. THE REALITY IS

We don't really know what's going on with Kerry. But, if anyone ever could, he could put us out of our misery, the misery of this most recent, fishy smelling election. All we can do is keep hoping he rides in and shoots 'em up!

In the meantime, this board will be assaulted by those wishing to divide us. It has been assaulted. Some of them are pretty damned clever, too.

[IAMREALITY]

22. Well As Clever As They Are

It Matters Not.

Cause Those of us that truly are clear on what we are fighting for and what it takes to get there cannot so easily be disrupted, swayed, or torn apart.

We know we are fighting for far more then merely a peer's approval or disapproval of how we are going about the fight.

[BeFree]

32. It Matters Not.

To those who do know what we are fighting, yes. But to so many of the new folks coming here looking for some light, it has to be pretty hard to separate the truth from the dividers.

And some of those who work to divide are pretty damn clever, eh?

Yee shall know them by their names.

[seito]

36. I am confused by your post

Are the people that support John Kerry now dividers? We do not advocate bashing anyone. We are calling for unity. We have a common and obvious enemy, and it is not Kerry, Dean, Clark, Moore, Bev, Cobb, Arnebeck, or each other. There is too much finger pointing going on. What does it accomplish.

I support John Kerry. I believe that he was a hero in 1969 and that he is a hero today. I believe that he is motivated by the greater good. I believe that when he promised us that he would count every vote he meant it. I believe that he will make good on every single promise that he gave. I believe that no matter what happens on Jan 6, John Kerry will be key in the downfall of the BFEE.

If that makes me a divider, then know me by my posts, and know me by my name.

I am Seito and I approved this message.

[BeFree]

41. Be not confused

You are not considered a divider by this reader. I know thee by thy name, and you are a uniter, Seito. You are for the truth and I think not that you be a divider.

To be clear: 'Tis the few scribblers here who come with intent to divide us from the truth that are the subject of my disgust. They lash Kerry, or any other of our stars with devious words launched from their cold black hearts.

They be so clever as to cloud the minds of the newest members, yet we who are experienced are not so easily deceived. Therefore it matters not to us.

[seito]

49. Thank you BeFree

I am sorry that I misinterpreted your post. I am glad that you wrote back. There were a lot of allegations being thrown around yesterday concerning posters I have come to respect. I found the whole thing very confusing and disturbing. :crazy:

[BeFree]

51. No problem

I missed that thread. Over the course of three years here, many dividers have made camp on DU. Most of the longer lasting have been quite clever in prying us apart while seeming to be on the up and up.

It's tough to distinguish some of those, but I'd say if you have two or three oldies railing against a divider you can be assured some level of exposure is forthcoming.

In recent days, DU has been hammered with dividers. Unfortunately a few newbies had gotten caught in the middle of the war of words attempting to run off the dividers, hence the warning found at the top of this forum.

Peace.

[Niche]

8. FAYE IS THE ONLY SANE DUer HERE... Faye you're the ONLY

person that makes sense anymore. I love Faye! :loveya:

[New Earth]

12. haha

i have my bad days too :(

but when i see blatant attempts at people trying to piss us off, that's when i get fired up!!!!!!!!!!!

[Pirate Smile]

13. Are you doing the floaty hearts because you know KO is on right

now?

[politicasista]

9. You go gurl!

:yourock:

[ginnyinWI]

11. kick

[madison2000]

10. Yaye for Faye!!!

:party: :party: :party:

[bunny planet]

14. Faye

:yourock:

[HeeBGBz]

16. I've noticed an upsurge in Kerry bashers

Right now my concentration is on Shrub Removal. Whoever wants a future in politics better step up to the plate. Many pissed off voters will be paying attention to who is fighting for Democracy and who is avoiding the issue.

[deminflorida]

17. Hey don't get me wrong I like Kerry....

the thing I'm pissed about is not the concession, it's the fact that he didn't even visit once the capital of Florida during the Presidential campaign.

If by some miracle he gets the nomination in 2008, I'll bet he's there next time.

I'll be willing to bet that no candidate dares to bitch-slap southern Democrats ever again in a national presidential campaign.

Any takers???

[politicasista]

18. This is depressing

Had only Kerry won, the question would be mute. I don't care about 2008 anymore.

[New Earth]

19. good you shouldn't right now

you should worry about 2004, and everyone should! as much as i love Kerry, it's not all about him and we need to realize that and FOCUS on exposing the truth.

[politicasista]

21. I agree, this is about saving democracy.

[New Earth]

23. well then keep that your goal!!!

and keep it on the forefront, OVER Kerry winning!

trust me, expose the truth and the rest will follow!

[politicasista]

24. On second thought, I agree

:)

[seito]

20. Faye

Thank you. I think this thread is needed.

I understand the anxiety, stress, fatigue and the disappointment, but there are divisive comments floating around that are meant to BREAK OUR SPIRIT. This is going to be a long a ugly battle, no matter what happens on Jan 6.

We need to trust in what we KNOW. We know that fraud happened, we have an idea how it happened, and we know that the bad guys were caught RED HANDED. We know that congress and the FBI have begun an investigation. We know that the Kerry campaign has stepped up to join the Cobb lawsuit and more litigation will be on the way when the Ohio SOS fails to follow State law in ref to the recount.

We know that John Kerry has called upon his base to stand firm in and "hold the Bush administration accountable" He is not sitting back in his "elitism". He has kept EVERY SINGLE PROMISE he made. He always has.

Why would I doubt him now???? Skull and Bones???? This man is a war hero. He lost dear friends in a senseless war, and came home to fight to bring our servicemen home. He stood over the graves of fallen soldiers and marines lost in this illegal war. Do you really think John Kerry is going to turn his back on them and their families? He is going to bring little chimp down for crimes against this nation and humanity. You can take that to the bank.

[txindy]

37. Everything you've said has been reported

And I agree with you completely. Apparently, though, facts aren't nearly as compelling as baseless laments for some people. :shrug:

[txindy]

25. There's been a new business launched here now that we're getting so close

http://store1.yimg.com/I/toto-lyoz_1820_8757103

For when those wings just aren't enough.

Unfortunately, a lot of other people are lining up for a ride.

[zapped 1]

26. you are right..

...and apparently he thinks we are all nuts anyway. Or at least wants the MSM and repurgs to think so.

http://www.indianexpress.com/full_story.php?content_id=59088

[New Earth]

27. THAT IS FROM A MONTH AGO

[zapped 1]

31. so...

it was well after the election and most of the voting problems that we are still talking about were present when this interview took place.
I guess it isn't really relevant now.

[Toby109]

28. This is America 2004. Live with it.

For many years I have witnessed the decline of American culture. The incessant marketing designed to appeal to the worst in us. Playing to the lowest common denominator. Capitalizing on our basest fears. And we feed the machine like good little monkeys and beg for more. Our own government has adopted these practices to lie us into war after war.

How could 59 million people be so dumb? This is where we are at. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that the neo-cons are a danger to our way of living.

We've got to face something here. Kerry is not going to miraculously win the Presidency in sudden death overtime. I think, at some point, we are going to have to admit to ourselves that bush won. How he won is a whole other story. The question is: How did someone of bush's nature ever come even close to being (s)elected in the first place? It is truly frightening when you think about it.

[ewulf]

30. I for one don't consider winning by cheating winning.

I don't understand this urge to say the Bush won just cause the Republican owned and operated voting machines said he did; in my book, its the people who determine who wins, and the people voted for Kerry.

[Toby109]

35. Well , whether you like it or not

the reality is that bush has been our President for the last four years and he was re-elected and there has been no major outcry. Many times, throughout the campaign, I heard both sides claim that this would be the most important election in our lifetime. But no one ever explained why.

To be honest, at one time I believed that Bush's "actions" would be obvious to anyone with the ability to reason. His popularity was one of the reasons I left Texas in '98.

[intelle]

29. I surely agree with you, Faye

There is no doubt that the truth will win out in the end.

Also, it is a good thing (sometimes) to ignore some posts.

:pals:

[stillcool]

33. Thank You Faye

I hit a bottom again today, on this roller-coaster ride from hell! So very disheartening...another week-end and the earth hasn't moved. When you step back and think..well, actually I can't bear to do that. Its got to come down to a personal comfort zone when the news isn't so hot. I think I should look at this as a continuing effort rather than something with an ending. And incorporate some much needed grounding activity into my daily routine to counter the pendulum swing. Good thoughts to all here.. excuse my blather.

[txindy]

34. Kicking for common sense

:kick:

[NewsGuyOne]

38. Nice Rant, but you've missed the point

It's not about people's feelings.
It's about action. And Kerry isn't acting. Nobody knows what he's doing or how he's helping.
He's not helping with publicity, which is sorely needed.
He's not helping with funds, which are sorely needed.
He's not assisting the people who are acting.

He's a politcal animal who's spent too many years in Washington DC to remember what it's like to fight for the people.
That's what he showed me in the primaries.
That's what he showed me in the election, when he didn't have the guts to stand up for America's poor in ANY of the debates while he tried to softpeddle the suburban middleclass.

And now, with a grass roots campaign to investigate what must be vote fraud in Ohio, he refuses to take action.

Here are all these people working to investigate, to recount, to alert the media ... and John Kerry, the man who would be president if these people can prove vote fraud and overturn the vote, is nowhere to be seen.

You can understand our frustration with the man, can't you?

[New Earth]

39. NO

[NewsGuyOne]

40. No what?

[merh]

43. You know, you ought to try to remember how things were.

How much media attention did Kerry get during the election? Not much in comparison to the constant and free coverage given to the weed. And the majority of the coverage he did get was slanted and distorted. How can you expect him to get any media coverage that would be positive to our efforts? He didn't then, what makes you think he will now? Kerry has entered the battle and still the press doesn't cover it.

Cobb is doing great things for our nation but he mistated known facts and that was not only unfair, it was uncalled for. Kerry doesn't have $51 million, its more like $15 million and Kerry has committed the monies to upcoming dem campaigns.

You don't know whether or not he is spending any money on the investigation and on lawyers, you just don't know. And because you don't know what he is or is not doing, it drives you nutts and you are frustrated.

Guess what, the election was not just Kerry's election, it was ours, they stole it from us and we must fight for it. Just as the presidency is not the weed's, the office is not Kerry's, it is ours, they work for us. Maybe Kerry recognizes that and he knows that it is up to the grass root efforts to make a difference and be heard. The election is ours and it is our place to fight against the fraud, just as the nation is ours and we must fight to maintain it.

You would be better off being angry at the right person, the weed. Put your energies to go use, work to remove the weed from office. Don't waste it being angry at the folks on our side, including Kerry.

[vlad]

46. ohio recount on radio now

I can't post a new post to say that I know it's on Faux news, but on alan colmes- they're talking about ohio, GLIBS.

[Razorback_Democrat]

42. I'm a little slow....

but who the hell is David Wade?

[New Earth]

44. one of Kerry's spokesmen

or whatever it is they're called

[Razorback_Democrat]

48. Thanks Faye

I knew the name sounded vaguely familiar, probably read a story with his name in it today about Kerry? Anyway, today has been a downer for me with Ohio cheating its way through the recounts too, and Washington not getting to count "new" ballots.

I think that we have to have mass protests to change election law, make it uniform across the country for federal elections so they aren't all these county level things that the rat wang seems to have taken over.

[merh]

45. Great post, Faye.

Thank you. Sorry they have gotten on your nerves. I know it is hard to ignore the attacks because they are so misplaced and are such a waste of time.

Keep up the good fight and never give up!


(BTW - I missed it, but WTF is D. Wade?)

[Blue_In_AK]

47. I agree.

Faye, IAmReality, Seito, et al., you guys are the voice of reason here, and I always appreciate your posts. Don't let the naysayers get you down. I remain convinced that John Kerry is no friend of GWB's and that he will continue to do what he can to expose * and his minions for the frauds they are. Maybe the election won't get overturned, but I still don't believe that * will finish out this second term. The administration is rotten to the core, and even the Republicans are starting to catch on. We all need to keep the faith, keep spreading the truth, and learn to be patient but tireless.

[EFerrari]

50. Faye, I admire your spirit and appreciate your taking a stand

but, asking people with real questions to shut up just doesn't seem in line with the principles of the Democratic Party. Sure, we have to hang together or we'll hang anyway. But, there are steps in between.

Of course this is about Kerry, not entirely but in part. We put our voices in his back pocket. Carolab said it best, (and I'll probably wreck it, but I think she meant, yes, we're going to go after the fraud and no, we don't appreciate feeling ditched in the clutch.)

So, in all honesty, I don't like being shouted at or slandered because I don't blindly follow anyone. If I was into following anyone blindly, I'd just directly contibute to the GOP.

We're all a little tired, a little ragged. Can we be know that and try to be a little careful.

You go, girl.

[New Earth]

52. i did say i knew some people here were for real

like, for real just frustrated Kerry (or former) Kerry supporters.

my point is the influx of posters who are purposely here to distract us into constantly revolving around Kerry. without naming names, trust me, they are here.

[EFerrari]

53. Yes, you did, Faye. The thing is , the more we concentrate on

them, the more of us get demoralized.

I don't know the answer, just wanted to ask.

Let's rest up. There's stuff to do. Beth

[suffragette]

54. thanks

Thanks Faye.
I agree with you. It's the shift in focus that seems like a forced redirect of our energy to take it away from the issue of election fraud.

[New Earth]

55. kick

hey 'the boss', congratulations you have joined the ranks.

[seito]

56. OMG!!!!!!! Please do not kick that other ridiculous thread.

Look Here

Kerry Joins in Greens Lawsuit

http://rawstory.com/exclusives/kerry_1216.php

In an exclusive RAW STORY interview late Wednesday, Green Party spokesman Blair Bobier outlined his hopes for the Cobb-Badnarik-Kerry lawsuit addendum filed Wednesday.

Bobier, who is the lead spokesman for the party which ran David Cobb in an unsuccessful presidential campaign, said the additional filing would aid their original suit in seeking the establishment of more uniform standards for recount in Ohio. He also said that voting machines should be secured.


And Here

Senator Kerry's and Senator Edwards' state counsel for Ohio has issued a letter to Ohio Republican Secretary of State and Bush-Cheney '04 chair Kenneth Blackwell demanding an official investigation into voting machine tampering in Hocking County, RAW STORY has learned


http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=498


I doubt he would bother if he thought everything was on the up and up.

[New Earth]

57. OMG WHERE THE F*CK ARE THEY COMING FROM

something must be about to happen, i swear. it always seems to come right before something big happens.

WHERE ARE THEY COMING FROM????? GO HOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMMMEEEEEEEE

[merh]

58. Relax, take a deep breath. We will keep the good threads

kicked and let the others die.

Keep the positive energy and don't let the bastards get you down. Never Give Up!

Thanks again for this thread.

[New Earth]

59. not kidding, keep them all kicked!

[seito]

60. Kickin for the Unifiers

:kick:

[malatesta1137]

61. telling people 'to give the fuck up'

will not excuse Kerry's dismal and pitiful behavior and should not leave him off the hook, not even for a split second.

All of us who voted for Kerry and the ones (like myself) who volunteered have the RIGHT to be angry and to use strong language to portray what I consider the greatest disappointment ever perpetrated by a Democratic candidate.

Evidence of fraud abounds and he's doing very little if nothing about it. It seems to me that his only concern is himself, his candidacy in 2008.

Now that his more ardent supporters are realizing that his failure as a candidate in 2004 is complete, they are giving us this 'it's not about Kerry routine.' It won't fly.

Fours more years of global holocaust are upon us under this criminal Bush Cadre. Kerry could have done more to avoid it.

[New Earth]

62. guess what

no one cares.

[malatesta1137]

63. believe me

people do care. Thousands, even millions who chose Kerry over Greens or Nader in 2004 will think twice next time.

[New Earth]

64. what i really meant to say was

i don't care what you have to say. you are purely for my entertainment.

i do thank you.

[malatesta1137]

65. Truth does hurt

doesn't it, dear Faye?

[New Earth]

66. lol

please keep it coming.
you are killing me.

[angrydemocrat]

67. I think you forget something

You have your opinions and so do the people who support Kerry. And your opion doesn't mean shit to those that support him so take a hike.

And remeber opinions are like assholes everybody has one! :hi:

[malatesta1137]

72. does your anger always get the best of you?

anger gives heart attacks!

[angrydemocrat]

68. You Wish

Get Lost:hi:

[saracat]

69. Yay ! Faye! You rock !

:yourock: Absolutely!

[juajen]

70. I admit I don't have enough time to read every thread

But, who is David Wade?

Thanks Faye. You are so right. It's getting very hard to wade through the bullshit. GO KERRY GO. GO DEMOCRACY GO. IMO, they are one and the same.

[New Earth]

71. David Wade is one of Kerry's 'spokesmen'? spokespeople?

lol you know what i mean.

i only added him in the title because there were a few threads today linking to articles of comments from David Wade...some of them from over a month ago, and it was getting ridiculous. the board was in utter chaos. it was filthy.