Arnebeck: Ohio election litigation fund needs $200,000

[Carolab]

Sorry if dupe--reposted from another thread

http://joeorgren.com/MossvBush1.pdf

To watch a C-SPAN interview with Cliff Arnebeck cut and paste this link
into your internet browser:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04_wj120204_arnebeck.rm

We have estimated that the suit will cost at least $200,000 to pursue.
This includes filing fees already spent, deposition costs and attorneys'
fees and expenses. If you are interested in ensuring that the
opportunities presented by this lawsuit are fully explored, please make a
donation to 'Ohio Election Litigation Fund' and mail it to Cliff Arnebeck,
Esq.,1351 King Avenue, 1st Floor, Columbus, Ohio 43212, along with your
email address. Any money donated to the fund will be held in trust and be
used only for the purposes of this law suit. We will provide each and
every donor with regular email updates regarding the progress of the
lawsuit. There is no contribution too small and we thank you for your
participation in this effort.

[proud2BlibKansan]

1. Tell him to solicit

from the Democratic party. I heard they have a surplus from the election fundraising.

[hedda_foil]

6. The Democratic Party

is NOT kicking in. And not because they haven't been asked, begged, cajoled and demanded at every level right up to Kerry's dinner table.

After us, the deluge, kids. These recounts and challenges are the modern-day barricades. If we're going to have any chance at all of saving democracy, this is the cause and the moment.

Contribute to the lawsuit in Ohio

And for heaven's sake contribute to getting a meaningful recount in Ohio and New Mexico at http://helpamericarecount.org

The Democratic Party is NOT going to save us. Maybe they're clueless, or maybe they're scared spitless, but they're NOT paying anything at all to save our country.

[eowyn_of_rohan]

48. Don't you wonder if they might be saving this money

for legal bills yet to come, as they might be working HARD, developing a rock-solid case to bring down this entire administration, and know it cannot be accomplished before inauguration day?

[joeunderdog]

57. DNC called me to today to ask for more $. "Glad you called..."

"I'd been wanting to tell you that you'll never get another dime out of me until you deal with Election Fraud, Voter Suppression and what happened in 2004. Your issues are very nice, and I'm sure they appeal to most voters already. Problem is, they're only window dressing if you don't deal with the PROCESS. It's corrupt, and until it's fixed, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS. Call me anytime you want. I'll either get to tell you again how sadly misdirected you are, or you'll change your focus to the real problem at hand, Election Fraud. Then, and only then, will the check be in the mail."

It felt good. Told the guy I didn't "mean to take it out on him, but I can't contain my OUTRAGE at what's going on. Please make a note for your bosses."

[regularjoe]

58. Awesome. Great response.

What did the person say? Any response?

regularjoe

[chomskysright]

2. no problem w/ duping....

I posted it; let's keep it kicked....

[chomskysright]

3. who knows how to get in touch w/ Kerry team?

plz e mail me: [e-mail] thanks

[leftchick]

12. I wonder if there is any...

"team" left? Where did all of my money go? Another thought... Theresa Heinz Kerry is a Billionairess! Perhaps an email or open letter to her asking she help save our Democracy?

[GregD]

63. The campaign seems to be gone

Kerry "the candidate" and K/E "the campaign" no longer appears to exist. We (www.usvip.org) confirmed this as a result of phone calls Friday. You may want to confirm that you get the same answers.

Calls to Kerry's office and/or mail are apparently directed to the "legal team", and the phone number provided is for the DNC's offices. Kerry's Senate office say they cannot accept "campaign-related messages."

[leftchick]

68. "the reluctant president"?

it appears he folded camp pretty damn early. So much for having our backs huh?

:(

[righteous1]

4. Time for the The Party to kick in. If WA is worth $250,000,

this certainly is worth something

[Zan_of_Texas]

9. Move-on kicked in around $250,000 for WA governor recount.

So, where are they now on this? If a governor's race if worth $750,000 to recount, they could come up with something for the Presidential election, which cost, what, over $300 MILLION in campaign and 527 spending.

This is the moment, gang, when election fraud is exposed, OR when mock elections become standard in this former democracy.

It is there, in front of us, in so many ways in Ohio. We just have to pull back the curtain.

[Carolab]

5. The Democratic party was directly involved in WA

but it is only involved in selected counties in Ohio.

Arnebeck's suit is a separate suit filed on behalf of the Alliance for Democracy and not on behalf of the Democratic party.

[righteous1]

7. So if I understand correctly

You are stating that the Dem party has no vested interest in the suit, so therefor has no inclination to help support it?

[Pierre de Fermat]

23. Good point...

I think it was wasted.

[EFerrari]

30. kick

[Truman01]

45. Kerry could join their suit and then contribute all he wants nt

[Kolesar]

8. Mods should pin this thread to the top

I wonder if DFA would post this. Daily Kos is a possibility.

[Truman01]

10. Think about the DNC's involvement this way. . . . .

We here on the Board have to live in hopes of hearing something good. At the DNC if they are approached, which I'm sure they have been, with this lawsuit, they require that they be shown this "evivdence" of fraud so they can evaluate this suit before having to pay for it.

Does anyone here really believe that if Arnebeck suit could prove any of the fraud that they have alleged that Kerry and the DNC would not be squarely behind it? Before you contribute your hard earned money ask yourself why the DNC isn't funding this? Or Ask yourself why Kerry, who stands to be President, isn't funding this?

If you can come up with a good reason, post it here. If It is a good reason then we all can fund this Arnebeck suit. Until then I think we should treat this like another Bev Harris plea.

TC

[MarkusQ]

13. One good reason

Would you pay good money to see a sporting event? Or a play about the battle between Good and Evil? Or go to a dinner theater with actors doing goofy things for your amusement? Donate money for the local high school marching band?

This should provide at least as much entertainment for the dollar, and who knows? It might save Democracy.

--MarkusQ

P.S. I would suggest picking and choosing though. As a card-carrying free-market capitalist, I believe that the best outcome results when everyone makes an informed choice about where and how to invest their own money. Donate to the causes you personally think will give you the most bang for your bucks.

[Straight Shooter]

24. I'll give you another reason

The DNC couldn't find its way out of a paper bag. They are there to help themselves, not the party, and certainly not democracy. They are the proverbial horse being led to the water and then not drinking.

I've been extolling Mr. Arnebeck's virtues for some time now, and I'm going to put my money where my mouth is. I gave to the Washington recount, to the Green/Lib recount, and maybe the third time is the charm.

Democracy isn't cheap, but you can bet your bottom dollar that if the shoe were on the other foot (a Republican lawsuit or recount), they'd have their money from the base faster than you could say "rigged election."

edit: If he's planning on taking depositions (question-and-answer sessions of fact or expert witnesses), then it's really getting serious. Believe me, depositions are expensive. Then there's the cost of hiring experts for analysis, on and on and on. Mr. Arnebeck is fighting people with really deep pockets, and I can only hope that along with our contributions, that some Democrats who also have deep pockets will chip in. (Please don't mention Soros.)

edit #2: There is no comparison between Cliff Arnebeck and Bev Harris. I can follow his logic, and he's doing what he said he would do. He gives rational interviews. He's thoughtful, intelligent, and determined. And by the way, I did not have that same confidence in Bev Harris and never contributed a dime to her cause.

[EFerrari]

31. okay, OKAY, I'm sending him a stocking stuffer

[Straight Shooter]

32. As long as it isn't a lump of coal

:D

I thank you, and Democracy thanks you!

[Jo March]

52. Thanks, SS, for your well-thought out post

You list some excellent reasons to get involved.

Although I am losing my job on Jan. 7th, I will donate what I can. If I don't, I'm afraid that there won't be any future jobs in my sector (IT) due to Mr. Time Man of the Year (if the year is 1939).

[Helga Scow Stern]

25. I don't think the DNC is interested in any fraud being uncovered....

Is anyone else getting that sneaking suspicion?

Don't know why, but I keep getting the feeling that they don't really care--

they don't care about the hundreds of thousands of voters who couldn't vote; they don't care about the million or more whose votes were lost or not counted or switched. They keep just 'splainin' it away. Bush won...yadayadayada...

So why in the world would they be interested in uncovering fraud???

They probably aren't even interested in Kerry winning the presidency.

If they were, wouldn't they be supporting recount efforts?

That seems really weird--I don't get it---but it kinda maybe seems like it might be true....

Is anyone else around here getting that funny feeling....?

I don't know about you, but I don't think they are interested in what we think. Or in what anybody thinks, except some people we don't have anything to do with--some lobbyists or something. Some people who have some kind of power and who don't want anything other than publicity as news. :shrug:

So I'm gonna send the only people around here who are making any sense some of my hard-earned cash.

[Straight Shooter]

26. I get that "hinky feeling" from the DNC, too

And you nailed it, Ojai Person. Cliff Arnebeck makes sense.

:thumbsup:

[Stand and Fight]

37. Hmpf...

Why would anyone discourage contributing to this effort? Cliff Arnebeck is a professional individual and has a record to back it up. Anyone encouraging people to hold back from contributing is suspect in my humble opinion.

This is not at all like another Bev Harris suit, and the comparison is offensive to say the least. I encourage people to contribute -- as we have already at least seen the fruits of our efforts reflected in Arnebeck's actions and words --both on television and in Representative John Conyer's forums. Further, Arnebeck is associated with Jesse Jackson very closely because of this matter, and don't think that Reverend Jackson would be party to defrauding people of their hard earned money. In all honesty, Bev Harris is not a public figure of the same standing or character of Arnebeck.

The DNC and John Kerry are not reacting for reasons that are unknown to us -- their inaction does not necessarily mean that they feel the lawsuit is worthless. Thus far, both Kerry and the DNC have done nothing but send letters or make public statements.

I encourage people to contribute to this suit based upon the fact that Cliff Arnebeck, Susan Truitt, and the rest of the Alliance for Democracy parties have been very vocal. Furthermore, I encourage people to remember that Bob Fitrakis is also involved and a signatory on the Moss v. Bush case. We've all heard and read his words, and do you really think that he or Jesse Jackson or Reverend Moss would allow people to be defrauded of money? We're talking about big-time popular public figures here -- they are clearly not shady in any way. Not to mention the simple fact that they're way too vocal and visible to even be successful at such an attempt. So, fellow DUers, courageous friends and lovers of democracy, do not allow yourself to be swayed by Truman's most transparent actions and words.

One last note. Truman01, you may wonder why I have come out so verbally against your message. Well, your posts always have a deridingly negative tone to any of our efforts on here, and I have no qualms in pointing this out. Your message is always one of negative dissent and against the efforts that so many are making here. The messages have a "plea to realism" feel that are meant to disguise their duplicitous nature. I am accusing you of nothing, and am only making an observation as to your posts and the overall tone reflected in them. So, I am attacking your message -- not your person.

[Truman01]

43. I appreciate your answer and your right I have been negative..

about this whole business. I was negative about Bev and people blasted me, I was negative about Madasen and people blasted me, my reaction to yet another "send us money to count the votes plea" is NEGATIVE and I would be happy to explain why.

I appreciate the sincere tone of your post, and I don't take your post personally. I support you and your thoughts. I am not telling people NOT to contribute, but I am bringing up very good questions that any thinking person should consider before charging headlong into another (possible) lost cause.

My questions are simple:

1. Why are we the little people suppose to again pour out money when the DNC and Kerry are hoarding money and have already run up the white flag?

I'm not downing the law suit yet but that is a very legitimate question. If Kerry, the man who has $15 million earmarked for this very purpose does not feel that this lawsuit is worth a mere $250K to pursue, then WHY NOT? Same question for the DNC? We aren't talking about a lot of money here for either of those two groups.

2. Why is this law suit being filed now? At this point the political pressure on a Judge will be so extremely heavy to "leave it alone" that the chances of success are slim to NONE. If this suit had teeth, we would have seen it two weeks ago with a TRO (Temporary Restraining Order)attached to lock up the questionable machines and any evidence. On Monday, perhaps we will see a request for a TRO but a TRO can be requested ex parti or without the other side being there in the judges chambers as soon as the suit is filed. Why haven't we had a request?


I'm not disparaging the people involved or the suit itself, but legitimate questions before spilling money are not out of line. What do they really hope to accomplish with this lawsuit? If they had proof of what they are alleging it would be on the front page of every new paper in the country (and don't give me this MSM would hide it crap) proof of stealing the presidency is valuable news.

If your heart says to contribute, please, dig deep and contribute. But remember I was asking questions as a supporter not a detractor, because we are intellectuals not lemmings. I think we deserve to hear a little more than just the hype.

TC

PS: again let me thank you for the sincere nature of your post.

[Peace Patriot]

65. A killing comment, Truman01

By the same logic, would you say that the Iraq war is a noble venture to "bring freedom to the Iraqi people," and the only problem with it is that Bush Inc. isn't prosecuting it efficiently enough--that is, the Democratic Party establishment (DNC, Kerry, et al) position on Iraq?

I really don't think we can gauge what is the best course of action, or the fairest and most just action, by the DNC or the Kerry campaign. I supported Kerry because the DNC gave me no other alternative to Bush Inc., and I judge Kerry to be a decent and intelligent human being, as opposed to the Bush Inc. criminals and thieves. But I don't take Kerry (or the DNC) as my standard for what is right. They have been incredibly wrong on a number of matters.

I'm giving Kerry until Jan. 6. I gave up on the DNC a long time ago. Vichy collaborators, as far as I can see. They sat on their hands while Bush Inc. created an election system in which Bush "Pioneers" own, as proprietary, the SECRET source code in the central electronic tabulation machines that "count" all our votes. Their failure of leadership on this matter has been catastrophic. Why should I care what they think of Arnebeck's lawsuit? I've read it; I know something of the public interest litigation, and Arnebeck's every move has seemed right on to me. And, in fact, the DNC's failure to come forward makes me think even better of it! What he is doing is trying to CORRECT their failure to insure an honest election.

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[delphine]

14. Didn't Kerry's team intervene? Then give me one good reason

I ought to pony up one more dime when Kerry has literally millions of our dollars specifically raised for this purpose?

That's a load of bullshit.

Just when I think I couldn't be more disappointed in the guy I supported with all my heart . . .

[New Earth]

15. from what i understand

Kerry can't contribute his money to anything other than DNC/Democratic candidates for office, etc.

[ClarkUSA]

18. Then ask him to cut a check to WA State Democratic Party...

because Chris Gregoire needs money for her legal battles with the GOP.

[New Earth]

20. didn't he already?

he already contributed the maximum allowed, $250,000

[tritsofme]

19. The money he raised through his GELAC

could specifically be used for recount efforts, he has several million dollars in that account and has made no move toward using it.

[Helga Scow Stern]

28. Yeah and I was dumb enough to give to GELAC after the election....

but that won't keep me from sending money now to the only one doing anything.

I'd rather have my money stolen than my vote any day.

[Vadem]

35. Yes, so did I, Ojai! This really ticks me off! Why aren't the

monies we all donated for the legal fees for the recount, going to the recount efforts in all the states, especially Ohio? I will send Cliff a donation because he, at least, is fighting for us and our democracy!

[Helga Scow Stern]

55. It seemed strange that they sent a letter dated 11/8! asking for funds for

GELAC. So I didn't hesitate. But perhaps it was preplanned before the election? :shrug:

[Truman01]

44. Kerry could join their suit and then contribute all he wants nt

[lip-sink]

16. arnebeck for prez.

wish he would get paypal

[IndyOp]

17. Kick

:kick:

[mom cat]

21. kick

[jdog]

22. Arnebeck is DOING something.

I'm sending him my check.

[Vote4Kerry]

34. I can't get link to work..what exactly does it say?

Definitely want to send some money to get this lawsuit going!!

[jdog]

50. that first link takes you the complaint they filed n/t

[Alizaryn]

27. Sent him what I could, wish it could have been more.

[rdmccur]

29. Alizaryn,

Good to see a post of yours.
Was wondering. Still want to see jamboi back with us!

[Alizaryn]

79. Where did jamboi go?

[vanboggie]

40. Best results would come from online donation point

If anyone has way to get word to Arneback, he would be more successful if a web site would provide an online donation location.
People are MUCH more likely to donate if they can do so at the time they are thinking of it. Time between reading about the need and actually writing a check, finding a stamp, and getting it in the mailbox reduces his chances of collecting funds dramatically.

Yes, everyone should care enough to make the effort, but it is more likely people will give on the spot and with the least amount of time involved.

[Chimpanzee]

47. I haven't had enveolpes or stamps for years!

[Paintedlady]

33. I'm sending a check

I read the whole suit and it does make sense. I'm going to hope for the best, but if nothing else, it will be worth it just to see Blackwell in trouble.

[Diane R]

36. I sent a check, too...

..this is one effort that is worth supporting.

[EFerrari]

38. kick

[Stand and Fight]

39. KICK

:kick:

[proud_Kucitizen]

41. Glad I didn't waste any money on the dems or Kerry

I never liked Kerry enough to give him any money and have been fed up with the dems for a long time now. I did give to individual senatorial and congressional candidates in other states who had at least a chance to win.

I will definitely be supporting this effort though.

thanks for the info

[Angry Girl]

42. kick

[Chimpanzee]

46. This is a snail mail address - does he have a web address

to send the money in to? I haven't done snail mail for along time and would like to avoid it if I can!

[jdog]

49. Now I'm confused. Here's the Alliance web site:

http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/index.html

That's where I donated before and was going to again, but now I'm not sure which one to use?????

[Straight Shooter]

51. I JUST SPOKE WITH MR. ARNEBECK - here is the online DONATION LINK

It's best to always go right to the source if there are any questions, so I did :)

Mr. Arnebeck is very courteous, and when I inquired as to perhaps he could set up a Paypal account for donations to his efforts, he said that is what the link on The Alliance for Democracy web site is for.

Here we go, boys and girls and everything in-between: http://thealliancefordemocracy.org/

"Donate to Ohio Honest Elections Campaign. Funds are needed immediately for an honest recount of the votes cast for President in Ohio. Funds are also needed to conduct expert investigation about how the votes were tallied in Ohio.

The direct link for Paypal payment: https://www.paypal.com/cgi-bin/webscr

You do not need to have a Paypal account to donate, and they accept Visa, MasterCard, American Express, and Discover

Thanks, DU'ers! :thumbsup:

[Jo March]

53. Beautiful! Now, let's keep this kicked

KICK

[pauldp]

56. kick

[Helga Scow Stern]

54. Had trouble w/ direct paypal link, but not with paypal from Alliance for

Democracy site, Ohio Fair Elections Fund.

Thanks Straight Shooter, for calling Mr. Arnebeck!

[senegal1]

59. OK I am sending a check. To answer someone above

the more efforts the better. Maybe this isn't the winning ticket or maybe it is -- think of it as Ohio's State Lottery..

[IndyPriest]

62. Count me in. This is by far the best

lottery I could imagine shelling out a few bucks for!

[Straight Shooter]

66. Sorry about that. Good thing I included both links :)

Looks like the link goes to the cgi bin, that's why it didn't work. Ooops.

It was a pleasure to speak with Mr. Arnebeck. Before I called his office, I thought to myself, "Well, if he's serious about this case, he'll be working, even if it's Sunday." And sure enough, he answered the phone. To me, that means he's dedicated. I hope that bit of information, although it may seem trivial, eases doubts about any DU'er who might be wondering whether to contribute or not.

:thumbsup:

[jdog]

60. thanks for the effort Straight Shooter n/t

[On the Road]

61. Just Gave $25

these donations are at least as crucial as those during the primaries or general election.

[ebayfool]

80. Done, Straight Shooter - TY for the links! n/t

[Chimpanzee]

81. Just donated $25 thru PayPal

[corbett]

86. This Is Crucial!

All of the efforts to expose election fraud and voter disenfranchisement around the country are important but Cliff's work is at the epicenter. Without his sojourning, the steps to come in Washington will be SIGNIFICANTLY more difficult.

Donating via PayPal definitely is the way to go but you must link from his NGO's website at

http://thealliancefordemocracy.org

I'm a web developer by trade and looked at the page code behind there. It is designed so that you CANNOT provide the direct PayPal URL in a blog like this. You must click from Cliff's homepage.

Please give generously and often!

[vanboggie]

64. Just sent this request to my mailing list

Spread some Christmas cheer and tell your friends about the opportunity to donate and help Cliff out. Spread the word that there is hope if we all chip in to help this guy fight for justice.

[vanboggie]

67. Cliff's working hard - please give him DU support

A lot of people have asked us for money, but Cliff Arnebeck is DOING something. Help him please and donate today. Anything you can spare will help.

thealliancefordemocracy.org

Please keep this thread kicked.

:kick:

[Junkdrawer]

69. Kick

:kick:

[Junkdrawer]

70. Kick

:kick:

[Straight Shooter]

71. Another kick for Mr. Arnebeck in Ohio

[berniew1]

72. The Arnebeck suit regarding fraud in Ohio is the main game still going!!

He needs help documenting the fraud and enough money to do what needs to be done. He's said the right things in many cases but so far hasn't been effective enough at getting the vote machines and compilers locked up and safe from coverup tampering. He needs more support in that effort as well.
And someone needs to get indictments for officials who violated election law in Ohio. There are a lot of well documented examples.

[procinderella]

73. I'M IN

Let's not look to anyone else. People -- we've gotta do it. And quit your belly aching. Step up to the plate.

Do you want to take back your country or not?

If everyone got behind this guy, we could put Bush in Jail. End of story. And I firmly believe that.

[vanboggie]

74. Kick for Cliff

:kick:

[senegal1]

75. Kick very important

[Amaryllis]

76. Here is copy of entire letter from Cliff

This letter came from Nancy Price, who along with Cliff Arnebeck is national co-chair of The Alliance for Democracy http://www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/


Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 21:48:22 EST
Ohio Election Contest Lawsuit Seeks Funds


Dear Concerned Citizen:

We are writing to you directly to explain the work that we have
undertaken and ask you to help us in whatever way you can to ensure that
the Ohio vote is accurately counted.

On Monday, 12/13, we filed a lawsuit against Bush, Cheney, Rove and
others on behalf of 44 Ohioans alleging that Bush won the Ohio election as a result of fraud and that Kerry actually won the Ohio vote by 142,537 votes. Specifically, the complaint alleges that votes were fraudulently manipulated to affect the outcome of the election. Our law suit provides us with the means to gather evidence relating to the fraud that we have alleged. Only by establishing the fraud, will we be able to ensure an accurate count of only those ballots legitimately cast.

As you are aware, also on Monday, 12/13, the Ohio recount requested by the Green Party, began and is expected to be completed as early as 12/22. Though we believe the recount should be done, we believe it cannot expose the fraud that we have alleged and therefore will not
expose the actions taken by the Defendants which affected the outcome of the election. Whereas, the recount can only count the ballots that the Boards of Elections has in hand, the law suit can expose the fraud that resulted in extra and destroyed ballots and machine manipulation. Thus, this lawsuit can uncover what the recount cannot, and therefore is critical to exposing the whole picture of fraud in Ohio.

We sincerely believe, based upon the objective facts, that our lawsuit will demonstrate by January 6, 2005, the day on which Congress counts the electoral votes, a level of fraud which resulted in wrongly securing the election for Bush. We believe that even if we are delayed beyond January 6th, the ultimate result of this suit will be to uncover a level of fraud which cannot be ignored and will ultimately result in proving that Kerry won the election in Ohio and therefore the presidency.

To read the complaint go to
<http://joeorgren.com/MossvBush1.pdf>http://joeorgren.com/MossvBush1.pdf

To watch a C-SPAN interview with Cliff Arnebeck cut and paste this link into your internet browser:

rtsp://video.c-span.org/project/c04/c04_wj120204_arnebeck.rm

We have estimated that the suit will cost at least $200,000 to
pursue. This includes filing fees already spent, deposition costs and attorneys’ fees and expenses. If you are interested in ensuring that the opportunities presented by this lawsuit are fully explored, please make a donation to ‘Ohio Election Litigation Fund’ and mail it to Cliff Arnebeck, Esq.,1351 King Avenue, 1st Floor, Columbus, Ohio 43212, along with your email address. Any money donated to the fund will be held in trust and be used only for the purposes of this law suit. We will provide each and every donor with regular email updates regarding the progress of the lawsuit. There is no contribution too small and we thank you for your participation in this effort.

In addition, we are asking for lawyers to join our team. We need 10
litigators and 20-30 additional attorneys to assist in discovery efforts in Ohio. If you are an attorney and are interested in working on this case, please contact Gail Jonas who has agreed to coordinate this effort.
Gail can be emailed at
<http://mail.yahoo.com/config/login?/ym/Compose?To=[e-mail]>[e-mail]
or call her at 707 433 6845 or 707 431 8451.

We thank you for your support.

Sincerely,

Cliff Arnebeck

[vanboggie]

77. Thanks for posting that n/t

:kick:

[garybeck]

78. yes, it was not good to just post part of that letter

made it seems like all he was doing was asking for money.

[Habibi]

82. Back to the front page, you!

Just donated. If you haven't yet and can, please do!

[Amaryllis]

83. NEW! Arnebeck interview with audio link from Saturday!

Summary: Cliff Arnebeck talks about what's going on in Ohio, post election. He explains the citizens lawsuit (as opposed to the recount), discusses the voter supression tactics used, and talks about the expected course of the legal wrangling.
Credits: Produced by American Dream Radio
Interviewer: Jerry Krantman

http://tinyurl.com/3zoc8

You can stream it (by clicking on the link that says "http" in the table at the bottom of the Web page) or can download it for rebroadcast or other distribution (by right-clicking the same "http" link and giving it a file name on your computer).

I am too new to start a thread. If anyone feels this is worthy of a new thread, go for it.

[Straight Shooter]

84. Amaryllis, thanks. I'd be glad to start a new thread for you :)

Go, Mr. Arnebeck! :dem:

[november3rd]

85. That Election Contest filing has some teeth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

There's no way those guys can get away with making these accusations unless they can back them up.

Have you read this thing? It's Really Bold.

They list Bush, Cheney and Rove as "confederates" in vote fraud schemes that are enumerated.

They list Blackwell's investigation-thwarting tactics.

These plaintiffs are gonna get skewered if this suit doesn't hold up in court. I mean, they'll be ruined. They are essentially accusing the President, the Vice President, their chief political advisor and the Secretary of State of Ohio, as well as many others, of deliberate, premeditated FELONIES!

I was skeptical until I read the thing. But, if they can gain discovery of the poll books, the black boxes, the ballots, the tabulators and the witnesses, they will be able to prove this case. The whole sanctity of the official tally now rests upon the ability of the perpetrators to COVER UP THE CRIME!!!

I was ready to throw in the towel until I read this thing. Now, I'm thinking of sending some Christmas money to Ohio.