Something to cheer you guys up!

[bush_is_wacko]

I just had a family Christmas party. EVERYONE at this party KNOWS the election was a fraud. They did not however know where to go to get the information that is out there. We are talking 4 generations and approximately 50-60 people. Some are government workers and others are just life long liberal thinkers. All are highly educated and most are above the average income. They are ready and willing to fight this battle! I gave them a few pointers on where to go to look for the information they want so badly to hear. Many didn't know what is going on in Ohio. Many did not know about the lawsuits and those that are now coming forward with allegations of software manipulation etc. There ARE many out there that were so depressed at the election results they missed all this. Talk to your neighbors and friends and relatives people. They can be re-energized! They don't have to feel helpless. What is it going to cost you? You may run into a nasty republican, but you don't have to deal w/ them. Move on and find another to talk to. They are out there. They have a burning desire to help, but realize they can't help by writing the media. They have no idea where to go. Tell them! They have been waiting all this time for a little information.

[jsamuel]

1. Great News!

I have been sending my family and close friends info on election fraud since the end of the election and I think this is exactly why everyone knows about it even though the media has let out 2 peeps about it since November 2nd. Keep those channels open and keep the buzz going. Eventually, that one HUGE piece of evidence will reviel itself and EVERYONE who already knew something was going on would immediatly go NUTS. Everyone else would be like "WHAT?!", but with all those who already knew around them, they will be like "OH... SHIT!".

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. People do smell a rat, truly

[bush_is_wacko]

9. I have noticed there are people out there that seem to be looking

I had two co-workers ask me the other day about the blue paper clip I always wear. They had been feeling me out for a while, I think. When they asked, I told them the whole Nazi protest story and lo and behold, they started talking a little more and feeling a little more comfortable with me. They are also onboard, but I think still a little scared. That's okay though. They have enough sense of me now to know I have the information if they want to ask. I was not pushy. I figure I'll let them come to me. And I figure that'll be pretty soon! I can tell they want to know!

[Cobalt Violet]

3. Thanks for sharing!

It does cheer me up.

[Sydnie]

4. Start a newsletter to your family that they can share

with a ready made group of 50-60, imagine how many they can also touch with the info! Even if you have to print it and mail it snail mail to those that don't have computer access, it could be a great way to get the word out in social circles well beyond your own.

That IS great news!

[bush_is_wacko]

27. This is a great idea!

I think I can accomplish this feat! Those I didn't get to talk to will probably hear the news from the ones I did talk to anyway, but weeding through the sketchy information and let's face it even the ilegitimate information is not something a lot of people have the time to do. It might help if I could accomplish a little of that work for them. The thing that really convinced some of them to start looking for the answers on the internet was, beleive it or not, the Ukraine story! I told them the story had been circulating on the internet as a :tinfoilhat: conspiracy theory for several weeks and possibly longer before the media breathed a word of it. Then I went into the Ohio thing. My family does know I am active in local politics so that did help some of them believe I was being as forthright as possible with them. Maybe we should start a family and friends suggested webbing list on this site. That could reduce some of the work load for all of us that are trying to spread the word!

[merh]

5. you are so blessed

my family and the majority of my friends are rethugs or just voted for the weed because they like him. I have 3 liberal friends - thank god I have them and DU or I would go insane.

BTW - I tried that last weekend and was verbally attacked and ridiculed then made to feel guilty for bringing up politics at a Christmas celebration.

Count your blessings. Thank god you enlightened many to the facts and thank you for the post. :thumbsup:

[skids]

8. Don't call Bush "weed"

Please, don't refer to Bush as "weed". As a marijuana decriminalization proponent, I find it very insulting to marijuana.

[merh]

13. ROFLMAO - not that type of weed

the type of weed that would destroy the weed you would like to see legalized, you know, the nasty type that chokes and destroys the good foilage and plants. Actually, I think those marching on DC sould buy alot of round up, kind of symbolic.

[Blue_In_AK]

16. LOL

:hippie:

[genieroze]

21. He's more like crabgrass. eom

[bush_is_wacko]

28. Try talking about something on a smaller scale first.

I know it sounds crazy, but if you start the conversation on the Ukrainian parallels they might be eased in to talking about the rest. I do have one rethug uncle, we got into it at Thanksgiving. but he dropped by the other day to drop of a Christmas card and I think he really did feel guilty he hadn't listened to me. He is not the type of guy to EVER give me an apology, but I do think he just might be starting to realize the ramifications of letting * Co. get it's hands on his social security money. I had brought up the Ukrainian story to him and I think he now realizes I wasn't misleading him on that. He really did act like he knew he had been wrong. I will see him at Christmas and we'll see what he has to say then. I think some of my family has been forwarding him my information too. He may be doing research himself, he certainly has the time.

[Amaryllis]

6. I am finding this too-it's amazing how many know the election was stolen

but don't know there is anything they can do or where to go to find information. I am working with a group here in Portland who made buttons that say, "The election is not over! Make every vote count." People ask about it all the time. Many are very receptive and are willing to get involved once they know how and where.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

25. Amaryllis!!

I'm in Portland too, and I've been looking for anyone wearing buttons or paperclips.... where can I get one of those buttons?
What group?


:hi: hi neighbor!

[Amaryllis]

39. How can I get in touch with you? I am new to DU and don't know how.

this all works. Don't like having my real name and email online.
Check out www.actionspeaksportland.org
We aren't having more meetings till Jan. 4. But I can hook you up with a lot of people here who are working on this (including me) if you tell me how to access you.

The website will be updated sometime today. We have a lot of new stuff to add.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

40. Click on the little head....

beside my name (profile) there's a link there to send me an e-mail.
:-)

[skids]

7. This is actually very germane... I'd modify your headline...

...so people don't skip this thread.

A certain relative of mine will be there for Christmas, he wasn't there during Thanksgiving, plus things weren't quite as well developed then and the "conspiracy theorist" label was running stong in the media, so there really wasn't an avenue to promulgate the idea that the election was stolen, without being perceived as a yet another one of my activist causes (which I'm known for in my family due to my college days.) Plus everyone was too under the evil influence of turkey.

So I treaded lightly during turkey day.

However this relative is likely already aware, and if not, will soon be, and once we are either exchanging notes or I am filling him in, we can just go on a roll, and draw other folks in.

Take 30 minutes. Picture yourself at "granma's house" this year. Think how you are going to float this at your holiday gatherings. Pay special attention to introducing the topic subtly, or as followup to a snarky one-liner inserted at just the right moment.

If you don't think it's important to spread this by word of mouth to those you have releationships with, think again. This is the single most powerful media outlet aside from the MSM.

[bush_is_wacko]

10. What would you like me to modify my headline to?

I really was trying to cheer up the board. It looks a little down in the dumps tonight! I have to go right now, but I'll be back tomorrow! Have a nice night folks!

[CoffeeCat]

11. I'm one of the "converted" too....

I've always had an avid interest in politics, but I'm not an activist; nor do I belong to any political groups. The first time I ever gave money to a political campaign--was to Kerry/Edwards this year. I'm a 40-year old stay-at-home mom to two preschool-aged girls.

I never suspected fraud. I didn't think twice about the exit polls because the media did an excellent job of explaining them away. Now, I know differently, because of the info I've gleaned from DU.

If middle-age moms, like myself--who have very little political involvement or experience--are finding the light--it's only a matter of time before this cause grows to enormous proportions.

This army of Americans seeking justice will only strengthen. The truth always surfaces.

[Sydnie]

23. Glad to have you join us TwoSparkles!

Welcome to DU!!!

[bush_is_wacko]

29. You are the perfect person to spread the message.

I was a stay-at-home mom for 11 yrs. That's what got me in involved at the local level. You can bring your kids to most of the local level meetings. People will understand if you have to leave to take care of their needs. I believe you are right about the movement growing. People may have needed to step back for a moment and in the process they lost track of what was going on because they didn't know where to look and they weren't seeing it on the news. It's time now for us to bring them back into the information circles. Christmas is the perfect opportunity! In my family people get pretty heated up w/ just a little incentive. I know a lot of you are dealing with far less liberal thinkers, but they can be swayed to look. Mention a few places they can get good information. they may be a little miffed, but I bet they remember some of it and,. hopefully, get curious. People are always curious.

[rehema]

12. I talked to a few people yesterday and they believe election

is a fraud.

When I told them about the happenings in OHIO no one knew or heard anything in the news. I told them news media outlets are ignoring the election fraud.

[Griffy]

14. tel them to BE IN DC on january 6th THATS THE DATE nt

[candice]

15. I've been emailing everyone on my pre-election list

about what has been going on post-election. Remember when the "joke" email from Jeb Bush went the rounds on the internet, welcoming us to Florida, land of fair elections. When we tried to vote for Kerry, the vote always went to Bush. In the back of my mind, I was thinking this was how it was going to be, even as I continued to send more money to the Kerry campaign and MoveOn for ads, and volunteered at a phone bank to call Ohio every weekend. When I was asked by someone what I thought would be the outcome of the election, I surprised myself when I said, "Kerry will get the most votes, but the election will be stolen from him." I'm not a conspiracy type at all, but I couldn't believe what went down in 2000 in Florida (shame on the partisan Supreme Court). It was September 12, 2001 when we learned that Gore had won, in spite of all the voter suppression and questionable tabulation.

Be sure to get the word out about Glenda Hood (Jeb's appointee as Florida Secretary of State) and Ken Blackwell, who seem to have worked from the same handbook to suppress votes (Karl Rove's rules?). Many people still don't know that Blackwell thwarted registration and suppressed voting while being co-chair of the Bush campaign in Ohio AND he was responsible for the petition to place the gay marriage issue on the ballot. The gay marriage issue was such as crock--as if there was any danger that states such as Georgia , Ohio, or Mississippi, etc., were going to copy San Francisco and Mass. and start marrying gays.

Blackwell expects to be rewarded with a governorship. Hey, if you own the machines without paper trails, you win the elections. That slush fund we learned about recently was the result of Blackwell getting deals on voting equipment. He nixed the idea of having a paper trail as too expensive. The Republican leadership refused to let the bill to require a paper trail to come to the floor. Does anyone know of a Democratic effort to suppress the votes in this election? Why all the shenanigans in Ohio? Is there something to hide?

[AtLiberty]

17. Here's a handy tip...

...run off little strips of paper listing key websites updating election fraud, Air America Radio, etc., and and stock them in your wallet or purse.

Give them out liberally throughout the day. ;)

Another strong indication that this election was stolen is the high volume of Republicans I meet who were fed up and voted for Kerry. I've never seen anything like it. No way in hell did Shrub win the election.

[gingergreen]

18. more websites...

what other websites are talking about election fraud?

I think that is a great idea, but the only sites I know of with knowledgeable, rational discussions are this one and truthout.org.

Blackboxvoting.org as well, but they are too deep in their personnel problems to really be a good source of information.

[marions ghost]

24. Here are a few links I've been sending out--

There may be more good websites, but these I've found helpful to educate others:

LINKS TO INFO:

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http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm

https://voteprotect.org/

www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/

www.stolenelection2004.com/

www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/index.html

www.scam-o-rama.blogspot.com/

www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html

www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm

www.independentmediasource.com/

ARTICLES

“Why We Must Not Get Over It” --Ernest Patridge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/12/02_mustnot.html

“Where There’s Smoke There’s Fire” --Bruce Fraser
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/11/30_fire.html

“The Politics of Victimization” --Mel Gilles
http://mathewgross.com/blog/archives/001041.html

--Also recommend the Conyers Letters for those who can handle more formal language

[bush_is_wacko]

30. These are very good sites

And let's not forget to give people a list of books to read as well! I know a lot of you have reccomendations of books! I have a couple favorites. For the really p.o'd "Big Bush Lies" edited by Jerry Politex Barrett, is a compilation of articles and what * said and did that cantradicts what he tells his constituents. For the intellectual extreme, those that like the complicated message I like "American Dynasty" by Kevin Phillips. Anyone else got some good suggestions?

[gingergreen]

33. Awesome

thank you so much

[marions ghost]

19. Good idea...

just the basics --for someone who hasn't had any exposure to the facts at all. Let them research it on their own and avoid the need for long explanations, arguments.

Thanks bushiswacko for motivational post reminding us that there MUST be more perceptive, reasonably intelligent Americans who see what's going on. I've been going around saying, "we have to clean up this election system!" I haven't had anyone disagree or ask me why I say that. I think they do KNOW (and that's the first step). It's scary to think that on top of everything else the average person is up against these days, we've got to "save Democracy" as well. That makes me so angry that I keep going, but for others it may be overwhelming and take awhile to sink in.

Yes I agree, getting basic info out over the holidays to friends and relatives is a big contribution to this effort right now.

[nashuaadvocate]

42. The Nashua Advocate has been covering only this story since the election..

..find us at

http://nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com/

The News Editor
The Nashua Advocate

[planetc]

20. Excellent post, and my story is ...

At work, I share a cubicle with a guy who is a sort of higher level custodian--it's an important job, but it mainly involves keeping things in stock, which is a challenge for the kind of things we have to keep in stock. He has a high school education, and is quite bright, and thinks for himself. And when I turned to him the week I realized what had gone down during the election and briefly summarized it for him, his response was basically "of course." He had assumed that if the election didn't go the way the Republicans wanted it to, they would *do something* to make it come out their way. He didn't know about the computerized voting machine, or the exit polls, but on intuition alone, he had come to the right conclusion.

He is in contrast to most of the other people I work with, who all have an undergraduate education, and some have more than that. So they're well-educated and liberal in general, and *they* think the talk of vote fraud is a conspiracy theory. They believe the "analyses" given by the talking heads. One said to me that Kerry lost the election the day the judge in SF started handing out marriage licenses to gay couples. We're going to have to do a little work on some people who are well educated, but who do not have all the facts they need.

Meanwhile, the local paper in this little city has so far printed 4 strong letters on the fraudulent vote, and they're about to print my second one. There's no better advertising than word of mouth, and if we have the facts on our side, we will prevail--it's only a question of how long it takes.

[marions ghost]

34. Yes --Letters in local papers

Short, factual, polite--Letters to the Editors of local papers are one of the best ways to overcome the lack of media attention on the subject, and over the holidays many people will be taking time off and actually reading papers.

[mod mom]

22. It sounds so easy, but try to draw a crowd for a rally.

I think one of our biggest challenges is to re-energize the move-ons to the level of pre-election. I've been trying,(email pleas, letters to editors, signs and pertinent freepress articles in store window, signs in car windows, wearing lapel pins, ribbons, talking to people ect )but have yet to make a major dent. People seem to take the defeatist attitude that there is nothing they can do. I am totally frustrated by this. Please, help with suggestions! Yesterday, someone wrote "get a life on my car". This when democracy is hanging on a thread.

[bush_is_wacko]

31. That same person that wrote get a life

Is the one you need to keep giving the hints to. Eventually they will wonder how they can convince you to stop. When they do this they just might get a better picture of what's really going down. Understand, the largest percentage of our population right now, were young adults when watergate broke. They know the POSSIBILITY exists! and they are curious. They just lost touch for a while! for some people that might have been the best thing. It gave them enough time to stew. I can't imagine what I would be thinking right now if I hadn't had the information I have available. I think I would be scared and feel helpless. I found that is what many were feeling!

[mod mom]

35. my car sign says...

If you're not outraged
you're not paying attention
Air America Radio (local station #) am

I hope they will tune in and get informed.

[bush_is_wacko]

36. Keep putting it out there!

Eventually they will look at it. Even if it is only to debunk you, it plants the seed!

[HEAVYHEART]

26. Keep it up

Thanks for spreading the word! :yourock:

[corbett]

32. Best Resources To Study Election Challenge And Fraud

Glad you hear that your peeps know that the election was rigged! I believed it from November 3 but it took me a good 2 weeks before I found the right online resources to remain up to speed. In order to help your friends and family remain abreast of challenge and recount activities, I recommend the following sites:

http://www.nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com

http://nov2truth.org

http://www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection

http://www.votecobb.org/recount/daily_update

http://www.votergate.tv

and

http://www.usvip.org

Addictive reading, I promise!

[wildflower]

38. Another tip: show them a letter from a conservative.

Republican relatives and friends might be more amenable to reading about election fraud from a fellow conservative.

There's a conservative who published an article about this. It surfaced again here at DU yesterday.

In it he makes it plain that while he doesn't agree with liberals or Kerry (though he doesn't care for Bush either), he believes the election was clearly stolen.

http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushwon.htm

Conservative friends and family might also might like listening to Ed Schultz, who has a real heartland appeal (and used to be conservative, I believe).

-wildflower

[KansDem]

37. All of us in our family (all four of us) know the election was a fraud...

My wife and I, and our 12-year old daughter...

Oh, and our 6-year old son, Michael. He was very upset to learn the election was a fraud.
________
Six-year old Michael after learning the election was a fraud::cry:

[Pacifist Patriot]

41. I absolutely agree.

I have been striking up conversations with total strangers if I see a liberal bumper sticker or some other such indication that they are like-minded. I have been astounded how many have suspected something was rotten in Denmark but had no idea that anyone else felt the same way much less that something might be being done about it. Keep talking!!

[floridadem30]

43. I've talked to students around campus and they also didn't know where to

go to find info on the election fraud. The majority are dem but I have been finding a lot of greens who feel the same way, and I even educated 3 republicans who are now looking into the issue themselves.

[marions ghost]

44. Consolidated Info List from this thread...incorporates additions

LINKS TO INFO:

http://shadowbox.i8.com/stolen.htm
https://voteprotect.org/
http://www.miamedia.com/votergate/index.html
www.stolenelection2004.com/
www.solarbus.org/stealyourelection/index.html
www.thealliancefordemocracy.org/
www.scam-o-rama.blogspot.com/
www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html
http://www.chuckherrin.com/hackthevote.htm
http://www.nashuaadvocate.blogspot.com
http://nov2truth.org
http://www.votecobb.org/recount/daily_update
http://www.usvip.org

ARTICLES

“Why We Must Not Get Over It” --Ernest Patridge
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/12/02_mustnot.html

“Where There’s Smoke There’s Fire” --Bruce Fraser
http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/04/11/30_fire.html

“Proof of Ohio Election Fraud Exposed” --William Rivers Pitt
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

“The Politics of Victimization” --Mel Gilles
http://mathewgross.com/blog/archives/001041.html

VIDEO “Votergate” -- http://www.votergate.tv

CONYERS LETTERS
http://www.house.gov/judiciary_democrats/index.html

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”We’ve Been Had” --Edgar Steele
http://www.serendipity.li/jsmill/bushwon.htm
Republican relatives and friends might be more amenable to reading about election fraud from a fellow conservative. Steele doesn't agree with liberals or Kerry and doesn't care for Bush either, but he believes the election was clearly stolen. Conservative friends and family also might like listening to Ed Schultz, who has a real heartland appeal.