Officials Make Triad Representative Repeat His Actions

[KaliTracy]

PLease forgive if this is a Dupe -- I just heard it at lunchtime on local Public Radio Station (WMUB), in the local news highlights. They said that the Officials (Ohio Supreme Court too maybe (?) made the Triad Representative repeat what he did at Hocking -- and they were satisfied that no tampering took place -- or that no fraud took place.

My question is HOW LONG did it take him to do this "repeat" -- didn't it take like 2 hours when he was in there originally? And why are all these Triad representatives (or other e-voting company) representatives showing up before a count and "sticking around" ?

Again, sorry if a dupe -- but looking forward to some answers... from somewhere.... sometime....

[texpatriot2004]

1. Yes, it took Triad Rep two hours in the recount incident n/t

[k8conant]

2. Yeah, sure, and make any other criminal "repeat" his actions...

to exonerate himself. What a laugh!

[electropop]

13. I heard their statement beforehand...

Basically "We'll bring him in and ask him if he did anything naughty. If he says no, then there's no problem." AAAAARRRGGGHHH

[zann725]

24. This is all so sad!

They've got 'crime' down to an art. Aghh!!

[bmoney07]

3. There ahould have been more than replication of process

what about explanation of "cheat Sheet" on wall to make totals match up- as stated by Ms. Eaton in her affidavit?

[berniew1]

29. A good possibility is coverup of "default to Bush" setting. So why would

he volunteer to repeat what he did? If he was doing coverup, he would just come up with a different excuse for what he was doing there. The security was so lax, there is no way to determine what he was doing, other than looking at the votes; but its already known from the pattern of the votes what the fraud was and how it was done in many cases. By setting the electronic machines(touchscreens and optical scans) to default to Bush, which automatically gives him a big boost. The huge amount of reports in the Election Incident Report System(EIRS) has already documented that this occurred, and the methodology confirmed by computer experts.

[bmoney07]

4. There should have been more than a replication of the process

what about explanation of "cheat Sheet" on wall to make totals match up- as stated by Ms. Eaton in her affidavit?

[Goldeneye]

5. How do they know what he did the first time?

It seems stupid to believe that he is going to show us how he was rigging the machine if thats what he was doing.

This whole thing is getting kind of out of hand. They cheated so we demand a recount. The same people who cheated are the ones running the recounts. Then we catch them tampering with machines and we expect them to show us exactly how they rigged things? oh please...

[DoYouEverWonder]

6. So what did this prove?

Without a video of the first time, we have no clue what this guy might have done without looking at the machine itself. And even then you might not be able to prove anything. However, since he claimed to have changed he battery, I would assume the battery in the machine is now a current make and serial number? Besides why is anyone from a private company allowed any where near these machines without observers during an election recount?

[tandem5]

14. it proves there's nobody on our side that can fight PR battles well. nt

[Dancing_Dave]

30. What kind of computer experts does our legal team have???

To testify, to help with cross-examinations etc.

Here's where we really get killed because Kerry didn't contribute his considerable resourses to the effort. We don't seem to have enough resources to pay a team that could really tear this apart in court.

This is really tragic, and at least part Kerry's fault.

[leftchick]

35. more than a part...

:grr:

[mdb]

7. Can I go in there and mess with the machines while your not looking?

Trust me... I won't screw with anything. Screw security. I just want to do this and that while your not there to see what I'm doing.

Something wrong with that picture?

[BrklynLiberal]

10. Right!!!!!...what a bunch of idiots!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Repeat your actions..and we will believe that you are doing exactly the same thing if you tell us that you are....duh!!!!

[Straight Shooter]

8. The OSC wouldn't involve themselves at this level

I don't care who the Triad tech repeated his tricks for. I want the original parts examined by forensic experts, and I want examination of service/maintenance records for the last 10 years.

I want to know who the techs are who did the swapping of parts, and their complete background, especially their qualifications, and if they happened to get some big bonuses lately.

I want no stone left unturned. Triad has a bigger stink than Diebold at this stage.

[Al-CIAda]

9. What a JOKE!

It would be hilarious if it weren't the subversion of our freedom at stake.

Unreal. And this is what they are calling an 'inquiry'?

LMAO...i mean,CMAO (crying my ass off)

[KaliTracy]

11. They Mentioned the Ohio State Supreme Court

but in what capacity, I really can't remember -- either they were performing this "test" to throw it out, or something -- there was a ruling --- from a Judge(??) that the actions were not fraud. WMUB has streaming audio I believe (I'm at work right now) -- they do news at the top of the hour. look at AP accounts, too, somewhere -- that's usually how they get their top of the hour news.... sorry so vague.

[Alizaryn]

19. Exactly Straight Shooter, until that happens on a wide

scale basis forget voting again, its a waste of time.

[troubleinwinter]

25. ...and under oath, and with heavy cross-examination, and

with criminal charges and jail time all around.

[mdb]

12. The point of my post is unsupervised access

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,66072,00.html?tw=rss.TOP

Doug Jones, Iowa's chief examiner of voting equipment and a computer scientist at the University of Iowa who has been a leading critic of electronic voting machines, said the matter was less likely a case of election tampering than poor election procedures and oversight. But he added that even if no one tampered with votes, the fact that someone had unsupervised access to tabulating equipment before the recount was a breach of security procedures and might even violate Ohio election law.

"The tabulating room should be viewed as a secure computer systems site where nobody goes in there unsupervised, but the affidavit suggests there was no supervision in the tabulating room," Jones said. He said that suspicions of tampering are just as destructive to the integrity of an election as actual tampering and laws prohibiting unsupervised access to voting equipment should be enforced.

And from the affidavit.

§ 3505.32
Moreover, bringing in Triad officials into other Ohio Counties would also appear to violate Ohio Revised Code § 3505.32, which provides that during a period of official canvassing, all interaction with ballots must be “in the presence of all of the members of the board and any other persons who are entitled to witness the official canvass,” given that last Friday, the Ohio Secretary of State has issued orders to the effect that election officials are to treat all election materials as if they were in a period of canvassing .and that "Teams of one Democrat and one Republican must be present with ballots at all times of processing."

[Zan_of_Texas]

15. Triad's software tabulates 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.

The tally of those counties is at their mercy, folks.

THAT's WHERE TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BALLOTS CAN BE AFFECTED.

It's like a giant magic trick -- everybody look over HERE, where there are diligent volunteers inspecting chads on individual ballots, all nicely balanced with teams of R and D representatives, while over HERE there are Triad people unchaperoned "adjusting" the machines to prepare for the recounts. Not just one county either.

One observer here at DU last night suggested they may have been REMOVING the rigging software. In case of inspection.

If there was a secret wireless modem capability, they could have removed that.

[tandem5]

16. and did he repeat the whole "you can post a cheat sheet" stuff? nt

[bmoney07]

20. This is what I have been saying for days

Explain the "Cheat Sheet", but everyone blew it off. but hey at least the dirty bastard replicated the process - case closed, end of story.

nothing to see here just move along.

[tandem5]

21. its not just blowing it off... its full on supression...

if the MSM had reported that... the story would have gotten too big for them to control.

[Alizaryn]

17. They must think we are dumb...Its too bad a big handful

of people will use this to justify their ignorance.

[EMunster]

18. Listend to WMUB news at top of the hour...and not a word about ...

...Triad "reenactment." Wonder what she heard.

[garybeck]

22. who are the "officials?"

that conducted the investigation?

Was Arnebeck's team able to question him?

[Pierre de Fermat]

23. Some information for you.

"why are all these Triad representatives (or other e-voting company) representatives showing up before a count and "sticking around ?"

The answer is : Because they are asked to stay around. It's standard procedure. See here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/121604Z.shtml

"Triad is contracted to do much of the elections work in this county and elsewhere in Ohio. This included programming the candidates into the tabulator, and coming up with the rotation of candidates in the various precincts. They also have a technician in the office on election night to actually run the tabulator itself ... Triad also supplies the network computers on which all of the voter registration information and processing is kept for the county."

This is why it is hard for me to assume so quickly that the adjustments to the machine made by the Triad technician are evidence of fraud. They adjust the machines all the time - not uncommon. There could be fraud, but to claim this is evidence of fraud goes too far for me. That's only my opinion.

[Chi]

36. Hmmm

you said...
"Because they are asked to stay around. It's standard procedure."

Affidavit says...
"The Triad official sought access to the voting machinery based on the apparent pretext that he wanted to review some "legal questions" the officials might receive as part of the recount process."

Doesn't sound like they were asked, nor does it sound like standard procedure but hey....thats only my opinion ;-) .

[Junkdrawer]

26. "In court today, Richard Speck showed how eight student nurses...

stabbed themselves to death. A horrified Speck described each of the grisly suicides before the judge and prosecutor thanked him for his testimony and let him go."

[Junkdrawer]

27. "Wild eyed accusations of murder from the nurses families...

were quickly dismissed as baseless calls for revenge by relatives who could not cope with the obvious truth"

[bobbieinok]

28. I remember those murders.......what an awful. appropriate comparison

[KaliTracy]

31. Sent request to WMUB

"At noon today (December 20th) there was a news brief read by one of the WMUB personnel about the Triad representative in Hocking that had replaced parts to a computer before the recount.

I have been looking through this website several times today to get the blurb in print. Is it available?

While you had nothing to do with the news that came to you, are you aware that this technician came to the Hocking offices on his own volition -- upon looking at the computer suddenly informed the person in charge that the battery was not working, and "Just Happened" to have a spare on *In His Coat* (not even in a tool box of computer pieces and parts) and that it took him almost *two hours* to do this so-called battery change? And what about the *numbers* he told the supervisor to post on the wall -- inconspicuously, so that observers wouldn't recognize them -- so that their tally would "turn out" ok?

How wonderful of him to perform what he "did to the computer" for observers the second time around. (Note: Please think about this -- the man was being accused of tampering, a person has signed an affidavit attesting that this was not a normal procedure, and officials have just asked him to "show them" what he did? Does this make sense?)

Perhaps no tampering took place, but wouldn't it make better sense to seize the machine, and have an independent expert perform evaluation of the machine instead of having a person who was involved in the very incident "repeat" it for others to judge whether it was appropriate or not?

If there is a link to this partial news article at all, please provide it if possible.

Many thanks.
XXXXXXXX"

[KaliTracy]

32. report posted by EMunster -- thanks!

I looked all night for this -- and asked WMUB to send me a link to it! they haven't replied yet.

"LOGAN, Ohio — Election officials watched Monday as a technician repeated a repair he had made to a vote tallying computer, then announced they had found no evidence of any sort of tampering, despite a congressman's request for an FBI (search) probe. "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142135,00.html

[KaliTracy]

33. Computer Harddrive needed repaired?

That wasn't in the original affidavit, was it?

"Brett Rapp, president of Xenia, Ohio-based TRIAD, said it is standard procedure to prepare the machines for a recount and that in this case the computer's hard drive had to be repaired. No vote tabulations were lost, he said."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,142135,00.html

[Al-CIAda]

34. Stolen votes

"in this case the computer's hard drive had to be repaired. No vote tabulations were lost"

...yeah, thats it. See, we screwed around with the hard drives because the machines had dead batteries. Lemme explain, when you have a dead battery on a machine, it convieniently goes out just after the 'election', and then sometimes we need to tamper with the hard drives to 'fix' them.

See, we didn't cheat, everytthing is just fine.

Pay not attention to the cheat sheet -those were just quality assurance guides...yeah, thats it!

[gulogulo]

37. When a CMOS battery dies in an old computer

some settings are lost, including date/time and hard disk parameters without which the hard disk cannot be accessed. In order to re-input those parameters you have to open up the machine and look at which hard disk is installed, then possibly phone it in so someone can look up what the parameters are (if they are not listed on the label on the hard disk itself).

What they're saying about the "hard disk repair" (not repair really but reset) is quite plausible.

[KaliTracy]

38. but why would he just happen to have a spare??

that's what i don't get -- no invite to fix a "downed" machine -- just happened to be there, and oh my, when it turned on, no way to boot up.... -- wait, in my coat I have some spare parts...

[gulogulo]

39. If I was a computer technician dealing with

old computers, I would certainly make sure to have a couple of batteries for CMOS memory with me. I would probably also have a couple of fans, a spare power supply, maybe a floppy drive etc. These things break, you know, and driving back and forth to fix it, especially if you're not based in the same city, can get tedious.

What is improbable about that?

[KaliTracy]

41. What is improbable about that is

that he was carrying the parts in his coat -- not in a toolbox! That's what's improbable about it. The affidavit says that his coat was heavy (so what) -- but the fact that he was carrying these spare parts, and NOT carrying them in a way that normal computer techs carry them is what, in my opinion, is very strange. YOMV

[gulogulo]

42. if you say so -

if he was carrying those parts in a toolbox, would that prove that he did nothing nefarious? This is silliness.

[KaliTracy]

43. whatever -- I don't know too many

companies that make "courtsey calls" out of the blue -- according to people who have participated in recounts before it's never happened before. besides that and the points that mdb posted above:

From mdb's post
"The tabulating room should be viewed as a secure computer systems site where nobody goes in there unsupervised, but the affidavit suggests there was no supervision in the tabulating room," Jones said. He said that suspicions of tampering are just as destructive to the integrity of an election as actual tampering and laws prohibiting unsupervised access to voting equipment should be enforced.

And from the affidavit.

§ 3505.32
Moreover, bringing in Triad officials into other Ohio Counties would also appear to violate Ohio Revised Code § 3505.32, which provides that during a period of official canvassing, all interaction with ballots must be “in the presence of all of the members of the board and any other persons who are entitled to witness the official canvass,” given that last Friday, the Ohio Secretary of State has issued orders to the effect that election officials are to treat all election materials as if they were in a period of canvassing .and that "Teams of one Democrat and one Republican must be present with ballots at all times of processing."

***
this wasn't supposed to happen the way that it did even if he was being kind to change the battery before the recount, what with his sixth sense that something might be wrong with the computer...

who's really being silly here?

[libertypirate]

40. Hello like everyone of their fixing schemes

They cloak the truth in a load of bullshit!