Interesting --Newsweek -- Article Re: RNC night of election

[Laura PourMeADrink]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6733223/site/newsweek

[Florida_Geek]

1. Funny nobody expected * to "win"

even the reporters on the plane with him.

[CoffeeCat]

7. Bush's win was counter-intuitive...

Bush winning, is like someone telling you that up is really down.

A Kerry victory was in the air. You could feel it.

The Bush win is counter intuitive. It goes against everything the nation was feeling and thinking during the days that led up to the election.

When Bush won, I felt completely unsettled. I NEVER suspected fraud. Never. However, my intuition told me that something was severely off. I felt like Alice down the rabbit hole. That's when I began investigating on the Internet and reading here on DU.

Now things finally make sense.

When you put together your intuition--with the facts (exit polls, the polls leading up to the election, the electoral map numbers the day before election day, the overwhelming turnout, the unprecedented 18-23 turnout)--a Bush win makes absolutely no sense at all. John Zogby told John Stewart, on "The Daily Show" that "Kerry would win and all polls showed Kerry ahead and PA, FL and OH trending toward Kerry."

Where's John Zogby now?

I'd like to think that this Newsweek article, is the magazine's attempt to slowly dip their toe in the water of the voter-fraud issue.

Where's Woodward and Bernstein when we need them?

[The_Mule]

9. You are exactly right about intuition

I'm glad someone else had the same experience I did.

In 2000, I was worried to death that Gore might lose. The only time my intuition acted up was when there was such a massive republican effort to shut down the recount of Florida. Actually, that really isn't intuition, just being pissed off.

However, in 2004, I felt confident about a Kerry win, even after the polls were closing in the East. I could tell that every news outlet was feeling the same thing. States like Virginia, Missouri, and Arkansas were not being called for bush quickly. The talking heads seemed to be in a Kerry win mode, even the ones at Fox. Then, it all changed suddenly. We're shown a shot of the bushes in the White House, and my intuition goes crazy. Then we're shown graphics about how Florida was turning red. My intuition goes nuts again, and I know they are fixing to steal the election. My wife had the same feeling, and we were discussing the possibility of bush stealing the election before any major battleground states were called.

Intuition doesn't hold up well in court, but it tells me when something's majorly wrong.

By the way, I used to post under the name "Protect The Vote".

[terry4kerry]

10. counter intuitive

I also had the same experience. Every once in a while I get a very strong feeling that has never been wrong. My intuition told me that Kerry was definitely going to win. I felt like there was some kind of terrible mistake when I was watching the election returns, something just wasn't right. I still feel the same way. I just know something is wrong, even though we haven't fully been able to prove the source. Although, I thought that the problem was mainly in Florida. I think if we keep exploring everything, we will eventually find the smoking gun, and it might not just be in Ohio.
Call me a conspiracy theorist, but many have been disproven in the past when they were laughed at and told their goals were impossible.

[MajorFlaw]

16. Exactly right. This was the 6th presidential election I have voted in and

I know what it feels like to win and to lose. On the afternoon of 11/2, I knew that Kerry had won. The coalition had held together, Kerry had pounded the crap out of shrub in the debates, the country was ready to move on, and the people we needed to get out and vote were going out and voting in record numbers. Kerry won. I have no doubts. I am even more certain of Kerry's victory than I am of Gore's. I have no interest in participating in any of the, "Where do we go from here" threads because I see no purpose in redesigning a strategy that, in fact, worked. Kerry won, deal with it.

[zann725]

19. 'Alice in the rabbit hole'...was an interesting analogy.

That's the analogy I continually draw to the zaney no-basis-in-reality "Reality" that continually spews from Scott McClellan, the WH, etc. Everything in their world seems exactly opposite of what truly IS. So I'm NOT surpised Kerry's votes jumped into Bush's columns in droves that night. Clearly they knew how to behave in 'The World According to Shrub.'

Regarding Zogby, he has appeared on numerous TV talk shows, and radio interviews since the elections to discuss possible Election Fraud...and sent one of his staffers to appear before the first Conyers' Hearing. And his website has featured some interesting 'fraud-indicating' articles re: the Elections...including one called "I Smell a Rat."

[bleever]

23. Agreed.

:toast:

...and though I may not be the first: welcome to DU.

:hi:

[understandinglife]

The fix was in and Griffin didn't want to miss a bit of the show; nice.

[understandinglife]

3. pun intended (n/t)

[Ken Burch]

2. What a disgraceful use

of a classic Johnny Cash song.

[rockedthevoteinMA]

4. This is just too unreal...

"The journalists were convinced Bush would lose. Backstage at rallies, reporters plugged the latest poll numbers into electoral math calculators on the Web. Kerry came out ahead every time. They gossiped about Bush's performance on the stump. "Doesn't he seem a little off?" a newspaper reporter asked me as we stood watching one of Bush's final rallies in Albuquerque, N.M. On Election Day the early exit polls seemed to bear out the correspondents' predictions: Bush was losing Florida and Ohio and was getting demolished in Pennsylvania."

snip

And they can't actually pick up the story of all that's going on???

[RevCheesehead]

15. Maybe they are, but are being prevented by their editors/producers?

It's the people at the top of the media that I worry about. The individual reporters need to do whatever to produce a story. But a real story is EDITED - and even in choosing what gets reported, is a form of editing as well.

We may have a better picture of why Rather, Brokaw, and Moyers are retiring.

[zann725]

21. The important part IS people are TRYING to stand up and speak.

The movement will grow. I feel it. Sometimes we lose touch with how far we've brought this in such a short time.

[liberal N proud]

5. IF it would have been a clean election...

He would have lost

"On Election Day the early exit polls seemed to bear out the correspondents' predictions: Bush was losing Florida and Ohio and was getting demolished in Pennsylvania." WTF

[mod mom]

6. Contrast that change in mood to mine...

I was working with field organizers for Kerry Campaign in Columbus. We were originally suppose to call the west coast dems after the polls closed at 7:30. Reports were coming in thru various ties to the networks that Kerry was going to win, and win big. Teams of people were sent out with food, water, umbrellas, and rain ponchos (a lot of hat passing went on to cover costs) to the determined voters waiting in line to vote. After cleaning up the union hall, we journeyed out to the hotel for the big dem celebration( about 10:30). The Kerry staffers were all jublilant. As the night progressed, the mood shifted. The staffers were still awaiting the Win results when I left at 1:30 am dejected. they kept thinking it was coming. The rest is fractured history.

[w13rd0]

8. The networks...

...called every Bush "win" as quickly as they could (or right after Fox, whichever came first), but held off announcing Kerry states as long as possible, even in states where he was clearly the victor.

Smoke, stink, fingerprints, dirty doings, villans operating in secret. Sorry, it's all the makings of arson and anyone who thinks otherwise is under the delusion we're still living in a representative democracy.

[zann725]

22. Yeah, I was on the West Coast watching the returns...when at about 7:30

things began to veer off-course. It wasn't right. I could no longer stay at the party, but had to go home to channel-surf and better understand what was going on. Never could understand it. Fact is, we were lied to...while Shrub and Kkkarl smirked from the shadows. They knew they lost, but said they won...and made it so.

What a sad day for Democracy.

[WI_DEM]

11. "were going to win big"

only in Bush's world is 282 electoral votes and 51% of the vote "winning big."

[HEAVYHEART]

12. ..

Reading this thread makes me feel sick all over again.

[jdog]

17. It does. It hurts doesn't it? n/t

[jazzjunkysue]

13. Pataki said he'd stay home alone, unless "something" happened

Does anyone else remember that? He said he'd spend the evening alone. Doesn't sound like winner, does it? Also, what the hell happened when Bush got on the air at around 11 that night and said nothing to the camera, but waved? I always thought that was a signal to the elections riggers to "go for it." Everyone I knew including the Bush supporters thought Kerry had it. They were even talking about cabinet appointments. But i do remember Randi saying, "These people are not going away easily, without a fight."

[demgrrrll]

14. I felt confident until later in the afternoon. I felt a real wave of panic

like something was going on and whatever it was it was not good. When we went to the victory party in the evening there was a real palpable concern early in the evening. People kept writing down possible scenarios for a win but there was this feeling of shock even before it was completely apparent that the fix was in. They cheated. I know it in my bones.

[Dream of the Flood]

18. It's a "Slam Dunk." They cheated. No other explanation.

I too felt jubilant earlier in the day, even at 5:00 or 6:00pm. I was watching at home and commented to my wife that I could smell victory. I went out to the KMFDM show in NYC and Sasha K. fucked with the crowd before results were in:

"Results are in--Another 4 years of the Bush DICTATORSHIP....just kidding. Actually, Kerry won....just kidding."

Actually, he was shockingly accurate and prophetic on both counts. My heart sank as I left the show to check out the TV at the bar. It suddenly wasn't looking good in Ohio. WTF. I suspected something was wrong from the get-go. I'm still pissed. Something has to be done to correct this.

[zann725]

20. What a great article! The media's getting daring...almost.

Keep the faith!

[Laura PourMeADrink]

24. Interesting you say that. My friend and I were thinking that this

was Newsweek's way of saying. We know -- something was wrong. Of course, without really saying that.

[GetTheRightVote]

25. Yes, they are coming in the back door, but they are coming into it

Election Fraud is a fact in the year 2004.

[IndyPriest]

26. Right. I think these are trial balloon articles

The press on the ground suspects what happened. They have the same intuitions we all have. These kinds of articles, I think, are their first shots at saying what they know. Trial balloons. They will judge if they're on the right track by the feedback they get. Others will start writing increasingly bolder stuff. They are encouraging each other to talk.

[IndyPriest]

27. Right. I think these are "trial balloon" articles

The press on the ground suspects what happened. They have the same intuitions we all have. These kinds of articles, I think, are their first shots at saying what they know. Trial balloons. They will judge if they're on the right track by the feedback they get. Others will start writing increasingly bolder stuff. They are encouraging each other to talk.

[IndyPriest]

28. Right. I think these are "trial balloon" articles

The press on the ground suspects what happened. They have the same intuitions we all have. These kinds of articles, I think, are their first shots at saying what they know. Trial balloons. They will judge if they're on the right track by the feedback they get. Others will start writing increasingly bolder stuff. They are encouraging each other to talk.

[IndyPriest]

29. Ooops. Sorry for three posts.