Conyers being interviewed on the Ed Shultz Show right now! n/t

[JoMama49]

[SharonRB]

1. Can you post a summary when it's over?

[chomskysright]

2. ditto here: PLEASE...

[Helga Scow Stern]

3. Inquiring minds want to know what was said. n/t

[New Earth]

4. Conyers just said he predicts MORE THAN ONE SENATOR

might join them in contesting the electoral college votes

*he sounded pretty sure of himself, too.
:o

oh, and he's off already, that's all i caught :(

[Quakerfriend]

5. God Bless

this brave old man!

[leftchick]

14. he is not that old...

and his has more dignity in his pinkie than bush* will have in a lifetime! God Bless him is right! :)

[Farmgirl]

30. I was going to say the same thing...so I'll say it anyway...

"He ain't that old!" Someone once told me a saying she had on her wall (don't know where it comes from). It's not the length of your life, but the "width" of your life that matters. Congressman Conyers has a lot of width (and I don't mean that in a physical sense). Courageous indeed!

[ailsagirl]

87. Yes, he has a certain amount of dignity-- something the repugs

lack... completely

[Dancing_Dave]

66. He Represents a District where my grandpartents lived

Including the famous 8 Mile Road in Detroit!!!:yourock:

He made a damn fine showing in F911 too!

[leftchick]

75. He did indeed....

"Come my son...." LOL! The Best! :)

[GetTheRightVote]

93. You must be so proud of him over in Detriot !!!!!!!!!111

[Turn CO Blue]

64. Hi Quaker! "Age ain't nuttin' but a number, baby!" n/t

[IndyPriest]

7. Sa---weeeeet!

Now I've got to dig into some history. When the hell was the last time THAT happened?? And how does this work?

[IndyOp]

12. IndyPriest - if you could find out more that would be great!

I got about this far in another DU thread:
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1. Any one member of House and any one member of Senate can contest
2. This is followed by two hours of debate in the joint session
3. Vote on whether to toss Ohio (and other states in which fraud is implicated). How is this vote decided?
4. If state(s) are tossed and neither Bush nor Kerry wins the Electoral Vote then the House elects the President and the Senate the Vice-President.
5. For a Democrat to win the Vice-Presidency in the Senate, six Republican Senators would have to defect to vote for Kerry/Edwards (?).
6. For a Democrat to win the Presidency in the House would be virtually impossible because each state gets one vote and the states are 30R - 16D - 3ties - 1 Independent.

The other thread: <http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=175026&mesg_id=178121>
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I don't think we have a snowball's chance in hell of getting past Step 3 without SCOTUS stepping in and re-appointing Bush. The purpose of all of this is so that people will know the extent of the fraud and/or complete investigations to reveal the extent of the fraud will be completed. Eventual goals: Convict people guilty of fraud in voting machine industry, get people to insist in future on paper ballots - hand counted, weaken Bush administration (for the love of God and the safety of children and elders and all living beings everywhere).

:kick:

[understandinglife]

28. What little I can do as a citizen is and will remain focused on...

....getting to step 2.

After that, we will have most every eligible voter in America and a vast number of citizens, world-wide, who will know that some of us actually give a shit about the civil rights legacy of our Constitution and our American franchise of democracy.

What happens, after that, when all those folk realize the systematic threat to both the Constitution and the franchise, well -- LET'S ALL FIND OUT BY MAKING IT TO # 2.

Here is something simple you can do to begin informing our fellow citizens. Just cut/paste/add a personal note and send the following email to Ms Winfrey: Oprah.com#oprah.com (replace # with @ )

Dear Ms Winfrey:

We have no election.

We have no way of knowing what happened to at least 30 % of the votes in the national election of 2004.

We have substantial evidence of civil rights and voters rights abuses.

We have substantial reasons to be concerned about the software used in the central tabulating computers in every county in each and every State.

We have experts and Congressional Representatives that know our Constitution and our franchise of democracy are being threatened, within.

Please invite Congressman Conyers, Congresswoman Waters, Mr Cliff Arnebeck, Mr Jon Bonifaz, Mr David Lytel, Mr Brad Friedman, Mr Mark Levine and Mr Clinton Curtis onto your show well before the next most important date in the history of the United States of America, 6 Jan 2005. Please invite them on the show tomorrow or Wed or Thurs or Fri of this week.

This is an urgent matter Ms Winfrey and you have the power to enable millions of Americans to be informed by the individuals I've listed -- truly courageous patriotic Americans.

Please do this for the sake of all our fellow citizens.

Ms Winfrey, we have no election and we must not allow that fact to go unchallenged on 6 Jan 2005.

Thank you.
+++++++++++++++++++

Forget about the fact that she had shrub on her show and hugged him.:puke:

She's got the bandwidth; try to get her to use it. And, the comments by Congressman Conyers as reported here from his discussion with Ed Schultz are more than enough reason for her to invite him and the others to join in a discussion about saving our franchise.

Thank you.

Peace.

"I'm an American patriot, not a pro-fraud theocrat"

[zann725]

86. "Obstacles are what we see when we take our eyes off the goal."

We must 'stay in the moment' on this.:kick:

[femme.democratique]

33. As of today....

Kerry would have 271 electoral votes (272 minus the elector who voted for Edwards in MN). Bush would lose outright without Ohio. So, obviously the partisan crap will kick in but heres the rub - if any fraud is exposed in Ohio, and the Repukes refuse to throw out Ohio and thereby install Bush into office, this will definitely de-legitimize this president in a very public forum. They Repukes will basically be saying in a public forum under official historical record that they approve of election fraud and voter suppression. Granted, the MSM probably won't cover this in real-time unless there is "leaked" information that several senators will contest. They won't be able to hide from this....they're setting historical precedent!

I can't wait for Kerry's reaction to all of this. That is, unless Houston is nuked on 12/27 in which case all bets are off.

[Doctor O]

53. How would Kerry have 271 EVs

Just because they vote not to accept the Ohio electors, this leaves it at 266 Bish 251 Kerry. The procedure is as listed above in Post 12. It goes to a vote in the House for President and the Senate for VP.

Kerry still loses.

[New Earth]

55. don't forget New Mexico will be recounted

and if that shifts to Kerry as well,

Bush loses.

[Doctor O]

60. Still up to Congress.

If no one has a majority, then Congress votes as indicated in 12.

Besides it still would be Kerry 256 Bush 266.
Kerry still loses after Congress votes

[New Earth]

61. that might depend on how each member decides to vote.

they would have a choice - a vote for what is right and legal, or a vote based on fraud.

not every Republican is bad, evil, or unfair. it's ashame this administration has led us to believe that.

[mimitabby]

81. remember what happened with the medicare bill!

they might not be all bad, but they are all human!

[Carolab]

68. Is New Mexico still on? I heard it wasn't...

because they wanted $1.4 million. Can someone update me?

[New Earth]

70. still up in the air, no final decision yet

http://votecobb.org/news/

Meanwhile, the action shifts over to New Mexico today, where the state Supreme Court will be hearing a motion by the Green Party and others to start the recount. Citizen activists held a rally at the New Mexico state Capitol yesterday at noon in support of the recount. On December 16, the Cobb-LaMarche legal team filed a Verified Petition for Mandamus; Verified Petition for Superintending Control or Prohibition; and Request for Immediate Hearing with the New Mexico Supreme Court. The Petition and Supplement detail the reasons why the New Mexico recount should proceed.

[femme.democratique]

74. duh..sorry

I think I was hallucinating, thanks... everything else I said still stands tho :-)

[hootinholler]

63. Hey that's my birthday! N/T

:P

[IndyOp]

8. OMG, OMG, OMG --

I'd scream with joy but I'd wake the dog, who would insist on trying to climb up in my lap while I am trying to type (and he weighs 50+ pounds).

Conyers is an O8)

:bounce:

:kick:

[Eye_on_prize]

51. MMoore F9/11 scene in Congress/Black Caucus, but NO US Senator

coming forward ... this may prove to become the single greatest service the film did for democracy, as it educated the general public about this disgraceful stain on our so-called democratic institutions. Now many many people are alerted to Jan 6th significance and a lot of attention will undoubtedly be focused on it this time around, with just a little help from MSM. How could they possibly ignore this 'unprecedented' historic event, when the cat's out of the bag with so many people?

PS - To MMoore: thanx for waking us up to what happened post-2000 elections in congressional joint session, *NOW* would you please wake up and smell the impeachment hearings for criminal election fraud in 2004?

[WhoseMarie]

58. Who will have the guts?

I've lately been upset with my Dem senators - Nelson and the retiring Graham from FL. They appear pretty guttless to me lately.

So....who will stand up and be counted? Any ideas?

[newyawker99]

92. Hi WhoseMarie!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[wildflower]

78. Wow!! What do you think the odds are that one is a Republican?

I'd say probably pretty low...maybe 15% chance. But wouldn't that be amazing?

I'm dying to know which Senators he thinks will stand.

-wildflower

[SharonRB]

91. That's great news! I feel better already. n/t

[JoMama49]

6. From the interview:

He also said he and other would be back in Columbus, OH on the 3rd of January (another hearing?) I'm not sure. He agreed with Ed that what is happening in Washington State with the Governor's race WILL SET AN IMPORTANT PRECEDENT for counting votes in other states. Apparently, there are several hundred absentee ballots that were just set aside by the poll workers, who then forgot to count them. Will the Washington Supremem Court allow them to be counted in the recount? If they do, then other forgotten or misplaced or election poll worker mistakes will have to be rectified in a recount. And, yes, at the end Ed asked him if he thought one Senator would stand up on 1/6 and contest the electoral vote. He said "absolutely", they will, and he believes more than one will stand up and contest. Conyers sounded very optimistic about the whole vote fraud investigation in Ohio and seems to believe we will prevail!

[understandinglife]

11. Obviously, that is mind-blowing (n/t)

[KansDem]

13. "other ... mistakes will have to be rectified in a recount"

James Baker will have his work cut out for him.

Will he be able to "fix" this election like he said he did the last one?

"I FIXED FLORIDA"

Why is our President so concerned with the wishes of Mr. Baker's clientele? What does Bush owe Baker? Let me count the ways, beginning with the 2000 election.

Just last week Baker said, "I fixed the election in Florida for George Bush." That was the substance of his remarks last week to an audience of Russian big wigs as reported to me by my somewhat astonished colleagues at BBC television.

It was Baker, as consiglieri to the Bush family, who came up with the strategy of maneuvering the 2000 Florida vote count into a Supreme Court packed with politicos.

Baker's claim to have fixed the election was not a confession; it was a boast. He meant to dazzle current and potential clients about his Big In with the Big Boy in the White House. Baker's firm is already a top player in the Great Game of seizing Caspian Sea oil. (An executive of Exxon-Mobil, one of Baker Botts's clients, has been charged with evading taxes on bribes paid in Kazakhstan.)
http://www.yuricareport.com/Iraq/PalastOnBakerNewIraqCzar.html

[IndyOp]

17. I thought I was past this but, um,

Just last week Baker said, "I fixed the election in Florida for George Bush.

:wow:

[KansDem]

20. Yeah, he must be pretty proud of that accomplishment...

He brags about it in the open, yet no one uses his statement as the basis for an investigation...

I wonder if he lists this on his resume? Oh, wait. I forgot. To be part of the Mesquite Mafia means you don't have to have a resume...

Silly me...:dunce:

[Casablanca]

95. He could just say he was mistranslated.

Similar to the standard Repug "I was misunderstood." when they're furiously backpedaling.

[kk897]

27. Note the date on the article: December 8, 2003 n/t

[leftchick]

16. wouldn't it be great if a repuke stood up?

Like Sen. Chaffee? I can dream can't I?

[IndyOp]

22. McCain, McCain -- I want McCain!

Remember when Keith Olbermann said that next to his computer he had a campaign pin that read "The 'I' in Nixon stands for integrity"?

Well, I still think, "The 'I' in McCain stands for integrity" -- he's been used, for sure, but he's a decent man. Heck, he's good enough to be a Democrat!

:kick:

[pick_a_dilly]

39. i for one have had to re-evaluate my opinion of ...

mccain .... the way he campaigned for * was a bit sickening. after * smeared mccain in 2k primary i though for sure mccain would not help campaign . . .

hmmmmmm . . . no --- whe would never stand up against the BFEE.

[KerryOn]

49. If mCain were to run in 2008

.... he would not get my vote. It is ery obvious to me based on the latest presidential election, that McCain only cares about 2008. I don't think he realy cares about the American people. If he did care then he would not of campaigned with Bush.

End of story.

[KerryReallyWon]

76. I agree, McCain is a sellout

[MarkusQ]

72. As a Republican ansd McCain fan...

I'll take that as it was intended.

I'd love to see something like McCain vs. Dean or Feingold as the choices in 2008. Wouldn't it be nice to have an election where you could live with it if the other side won?

--MarkusQ

[Straight Shooter]

73. No, sorry, the "I" in McCain stands for "intimidated" eom

[Matariki]

80. wouldn't it be great

if the "i" in McCain stood for "infiltrate"? :evilgrin:

[bush_is_wacko]

88. Yeah, if there is one rethug

I'd say McCain might be that one. He worked with Kerry on a lot of things and he likes him. I think he had a REAL hard time spitting words of support out for *! SNL had the funniest cartoon about McCain's reluctance to blatently campaign for *! * pissed him off good during the 2000 campaign when he questioned McCain's service to our nation during Vietnam. I remember watching that show! My mouth dropped down to the floor when * did that! I'm thinking, geeze this guy has SOME balls for saying that. After I recovered from the shock. It was more like what the heck is THIS guy smokin'?

[IndyOp]

19. JoMama49 -- Put this news in a brand new thread! You will bring joy

to many, many DU'ers who have been working hard and need some wind beneath their sails.

Woooooo-hooooooo! Keep writin' and callin' those Senators -- now the goal is to see just how many we can get --- if we can get a few, a few more will join up for good measure.

:crazy:

[merh]

25. Did Conyers really say that?

"And, yes, at the end Ed asked him if he thought one Senator would stand up on 1/6 and contest the electoral vote. He said "absolutely", they will, and he believes more than one will stand up and contest. Conyers sounded very optimistic about the whole vote fraud investigation in Ohio and seems to believe we will prevail!"

Oh please, let it be true! Thanks JoMama49. :hi: :toast:
A belated welcome to you!

Got to find a link to see if the interview is recorded and available for replay. I would love to hear him say it with my own little ears!

[New Earth]

29. i wouldn't lie to you

:(

[merh]

40. Oh please, not saying you lied, don't take it that way and frown!

I am just so excited about his statement! We have got to find a link! This deserves a thread of its own.

:bounce:

[New Earth]

43. hehe i know i was just kidding

:D :hug:

[Niche]

44. Thanks for clearing that up Faye. I got scared there...

for a moment!:hug:

[merh]

45. Whew! you had me worried

:freak: I would hate to offend a DUer with the spirit and enthusiam you have. Thank goodness you were just kidding. BTW - you have written some great posts. :thumbsup: Keep up the good work and the good fight! :toast:

NGU

[New Earth]

47. aww, all the same to you

:toast: :D

[MelissaB]

48. I agree.

I suggest the OP change the title or somebody start another thread so this will be seen. THIS IS BIG!!

[New Earth]

52. i did it, hope he doesn't get mad :(

but it is TOO IMPORTANT FOR ANYONE TO MISS!!!!

[Dancing_Dave]

71. Prevail over the long run?

With Rebulicans controlling all three branches of Government in Washington, I don't think there's anyway this election could be called for us.

However, making a great show of principled dissent on Jan 6 could be the begining of a populist voting rights movement that might make some real progress by 2006....WORKING MAINLY AT THE STATE LEVEL. We should be able to swing some states by then.

[MelissaB]

26. Hot damn!!

I'm having troule believing this! It's just too good to be true. Somebody pinch me!

[Farmgirl]

32. OMG! OMG!! OMG!!! OMG!!!! OMG!!!!! n/t (self-explanatory)

[Vidar]

34. Thanks a million for a little hope again. Thank God for Conyers.

[Niche]

9. OMG! So disouraged today. It's my b-day and this is GREAT

news. I'm so happy and blessed thanks Jomama! Yeah!

edit to add - I'm screaming with you IndyOp! Yeah Babies!!!


:bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:

[JoMama49]

15. Happy Birthday Niche!

ANd, don't despair -- everything is unfolding just the way it needs to!

[IndyOp]

18. Happy B-Day Niche!

...and it is reeeeaaaaallllllllly hard to type with a big dog in my lap!

:bounce: :party: :bounce: :party: :bounce:

[goclark]

21. When we wish upon a Star!

I have been praying for any kind of miracle.

[MelissaB]

23. Happy birthday, Niche!

:party:
Today is my daughter's birthday, too. She hit the double digits today. :)

[Niche]

42. Melissa, Happy Birthday to your beautiful girl! And thank you

to everyone here! You have no idea what you mean to me - in this world of beautiful things!

:grouphug:

I have just read another thread that Bush ordered Abu Grieb (Sp?). Is this true? OMG! We're having a HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :grouphug:

[senseandsensibility]

38. Happy B-day!

Nothing like some good news on your big day, right?:-) :party:

[Niche]

46. You have no idea!! Yeah!!!!

[Turn CO Blue]

67. Happy Birthday! Never give up.

Even if this election fraud doesn't unfold the way we would wish - never give up hope that the crimes of the Bush Administration will be revealed to the world.

[myschkin]

10. Conyers for President!

(if Kerry don`t want...)

[politicasista]

35. He is cool!

:bounce:

[joanski01]

24. Maybe Barack Obama will stand up,

since he is going to be a member of the Black Caucus.

[Niche]

31. On the 6th I'm going to change my logo to Conyers.

for solidarity! Since I can't be in Washington - to support our comrades and OUR MAN!

[SueZhope]

36. thanks JoMama49

Someone posted this on another thread
http://www.ohio.com/mld/beaconjournal/news/state/10461553.htm
says : Messages seeking comment were left Monday with Conyers' Washington office.

Did Conyers talk about this at all?

[PearliePoo2]

37. If one senator (or more)

stands up, would this be UNPRECEDENTED in our nation's history?
Has this EVER happened before?
We may be in uncharted waters.
Are we living in "interesting times" and witnessing one of the most important events in our country's history? I hope so.

[SueZhope]

41. I Missed it , I must here this interview as soon as possible

it sounds very inspiring.
Does any one know if this show gets archived....if so
when? i just have to here those words.

thanks

:hi:

[understandinglife]

50. I've sent an email to the show's producer requesting...

...either access to an archive or a transcript of Congressman Conyers' statements. You may also want to write and express interest in being able to access the audio file. Address is:
james#edschultzshow.com (replace the # with @)

Peace.

[Niche]

56. Faye just posted outside, let's kick it.Thanks Jomama

[SueZhope]

59. thanks understandinglife

Great idea...I just sent an email over to them...
I am sure many of us are
looking forward to hearing this
:hi:

[Tennessee Gal]

54. I want a transcript!!!!

ASAP!!!

Must spread this far and wide!

I wish Conyers would name some names.

[New Earth]

57. no way

that would ruin the surprise :D

[satya]

62. I want to see every Dem senator (and McCain and other Rs)...

step forward, one by one, at the appropriate time. A little drama for MM's F911 sequel.

[McCamy Taylor]

65. Repugs will never break ranks, they will expect W, to resign ( ha!)

[Carolab]

69. I don't understand why we shouldn't demand that Ohio be RECOUNTED

by hand, the WHOLE state, and do it by the book--they are NOT following the rules.

[librechik]

94. a revote would be better, like the Ukraine

but a poor banana republic like us couldn't possibly do that, right?

[lonestarnot]

77. Not enough in office to do much at contest on 6th

[GregD]

79. I spoke with a House Judiciary staffer today

I was going to post this as an independent thread, but this thread will probably get plenty of attention.

Some of you probably know that I posted last week, asking folks to knock off the barrage of e-mail to Conyers and the Dem members of the Judiciary. In that thread, we were approached by someone that claimed to be a Judiciary staff member, who agreed to call me the next day. Well, she called today, after doing a web search and figuring out who I am, and then finding my phone number.

The caller was a nice gal, they appreciate the efforts to turn the tide on the e-mail hoax, and had the following suggestions.

1 - keep the conversation going, try to get this into the public discourse. They fully believe it was stolen (again.)

2 - e-mail the Republicans

3 - apply pressure to the White House and demand "what is going to be done about this"

4 - contact your Senators and ask for support Jan 6.

As for #3, I have to admit my own sceptical attitude - like, as if they will do shit to reveal their own corruption. But that's what she asked us to do.

As for #4, she had no suggestions as to whom, and acknowledged that she could not go there.

America’s Calling: it’s time to take action!
http://www.usvip.org/article.asp?id=42

[MelissaB]

82. I'm afraid this will get lost

in this thread. You might want to start another one.

[New Earth]

83. thanks for the info

[KoKo]

84. At this point it makes sense to target our Repug Senators...doesn't it?

We've all notified our Dem House Members and Senators. For us in the "Red" states...it's our Republican House and Senate Members we need to go after....No??

[JoMama49]

85. Thanks Greg D.

I'm going to do all these things. See my thread that contains a sample letter to Senators -- it was written by someone over at Yahoo Voting Fraud, but it's an excellent letter, and every Senator should get one!

[bush_is_wacko]

89. I'm about to pee my pants over this one!

Finally! He speaks my prayers aloud! Please,Please, let him be right!

[myschkin]

90. Conyers team should threaten

with split from Democratic Party... They have some good people in it, which have personality and charisma (together with Arnebeck). I think then the DNC would react very quickly...