MORE: Video Supporting Ohio Vote Fraud Claim Revealed

[WilliamPitt]

Truthout has come into possession of video from Hocking County, Ohio. The video was recorded by a documentary film crew that was reporting on the Ohio election. The crew interviewed a technician from Triad Systems. In a report released by truthout on 15 December, we reported on an affidavit filed by Sherole Eaton, Hocking County deputy director of elections.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404X.shtml

[Liberty Belle]

1. Thanks for the good news--and happy holidays!

[AmerDem]

2. WOW, now that interesting!

Thanks

[sabra]

3. Holy Cow!

[shraby]

4. Was Kerry able to file today with the offices closed

because of the weather?

[WilliamPitt]

5. Still trying to find out

[Terre]

26. OOPS! Just found this - Thanks Will

Well, when you do find out, could you post to the other thread? I'll keep it kicked to the front page - though it's there now.

[GetTheRightVote]

6. This great snow ball is growing bigger & bigger .........

:bounce:

[Vidar]

7. News getting better and better. Thanks for all you arduous work, Will.

Started to say "hard work" but that phrase has unfortunate connotations these days.

[Kota]

8. Caught on tape, I love it. Thanks again Will.

[saddemocrat]

9. what does this mean?

I watched the video, but I wasn't sure what I should be listening for? It didn't seem like he said anything incriminating, but I'm not sure what I need to focus on at this point.

[euler]

10. Well....

...we may be in a better position now to prove fraud, but this certainly won't do it.

[Carolab]

37. euler

you're not fooling anyone, you know

[AmerDem]

12. well for starters

The man names himself and other employees as acting in the way that Director of Elections Miss. Eaton claims she witnessed. This guy also states he has done the same in many counties and names them. Conyers now is making the case that they broke recount laws by providing cheat sheets etc. during these visits. Already a case could be made that since Miss. Eaton took it upon herself to first report these charges and this tech. confirms much of what she said then why was it his procedure to provide cheats sheets when surely he understands the importance of the law and the random nature of a recount. There is more but I'll leave you to look into it.

[Fortunato]

15. Just that...

... there was an attempt to make the recount of the chosen precincts conform to the certified numbers rather than doing a blind recount.

There's not any purposeful wrongdoing shown in this tape, but what they admitted to doing raises reasonable doubt in the veracity of the recount effort.

(Rather like CNN "revising" the exit polls to reflect the "correct" vote count, having already assumed the vote count was correct in the first place.)

[Joe Chi Minh]

46. What do you mean

"there's not any purposeful wrongdoing shown on this tape..."?!?!

Are you really unable to recognise simple, blatant fraud - a deliberate action to nullify the process of validating the votes? Like CNN's amending their exit-poll figures to match the purported final poll figures. It's not rocket science. It's like examiners lowering the proper standard for marking exam papers, to enable more students to pass. Only immeasurably more sinister. You people must really live in a world of extremely distasteful, surreal fantasy.

[Emillereid]

16. Yeah, I didn't hear anything 'incriminating' either --

what did the fellow say that was so alarming?

[SmokingJacket]

11. Could someone clarify...

what the technician said that was supportive of the affidavit?

I watched the video carefully and would like to know how it supports the election worker's claims, which definitely are cause for major inquiry.

[WilliamPitt]

13. That he was 'helping the recount'

and that he did so in six other counties. That's just one tech.

[SmokingJacket]

18. Gotcha!!! THANKS. n/t

[progressoid]

19. he seemed innocent enough but also quite vague

"helping with the recount" is a questionable to say the least. This may be a simple case of just being helpful to their clients but it's certainly difficult to know without an investigation.

This obviously points to the larger problem of selling our election process to corporations (and partisan ones to boot). How can we ever be certain our elections are honest with such mysterious events going on.

[WilliamPitt]

25. Read the Conyers letter

and there will be more videos on the way.

[KoKo]

45. Yes, thanks Will for pointing out...there were "other Techs in Other

Counties. And...somewhere on DU there's a thread that Ohio Law says that voting machines and anything to do with the vote is not to be tampered with after the "vote is cast." I don't have the link...but even if "Triad" owns the software and the machines...they still shouldn't be in there asking poll workers for "screwdrivers" to dismantle machines, installing new batteries or instructing poll counters to post information at the polling place about "numbers."

:shrug: at least that's my read... Triad has opened itself up to lawsuits because of all of this...and having "one" technician on tape talking about what he did is really a step forward for us Democrats.

How many Ohio Counties had the other "techies" working for Triad dismantling and reassembling their machines to "prepare for a smooth recount...(smooth for Triad..but not for the GLIBS that is). :shrug:

[McCamy Taylor]

14. he should have brought his attorney....

....i dont think "do whatever it takes to keep our customers from having to do a hand recount" (paraphrase not quote) is written in his contract with the county election boards is it? But that is what he says he was doing.

And then he tells us all the counties he visited (so they can be investigated for recount fraud too). And that he received official Traid training (meaning that his company must have approved his methods). And the names other Triad employees he trained (presumably to do the same thing he did.)

Loose lips sink ships, buddy.

Who was the unseen questioner? The assistant DA who doubles as the County Election Board's attorney?

[KeireG]

17. This is blatant proof of fraud!

The six counties he "helped out" did NOT have to do the hand recounts? Whoa! This means their 3 percent hand count matched the 3 percent machine count. The cheatsheets used to make sure they would match, of course the election officials would want to avoid doing a hand recount, because of the time. There needs to a be a full hand count of the entire state.

[Carolab]

38. Yes and there are other issues as well

the Ohio law states such activities must be performed before the entire BoE, that the systems are to be "secured" and so on. Conyers also raises the question of the company's remote access to the machines; for what reason would they have this? And why were the results on their website on election night when Mitovsky's computer 'crashed' and the networks weren't updating?

[WilliamPitt]

20. .

[Generator]

21. Is this the Watergate?

Also know as trying to cover up after the fact.

No recount needed-just get your computer guy in on it.

Of course the other side will just say "Oh we just didn't want the HARD WORK of a doing a recount." What's the point anyway? We all know you can't defeat the Republican machine.

Six counties he went to-"just another day at the office". That quote is a winner.

[roseBudd]

22. And it is easy to see why BoE officials would trust such a nice polite

young man. Even Ms. Eaton does not suspect any wrongdoing.

[liam97]

23. What about the counterargument

that all computers have remote access and its ok to be able to alter data ....thats what computers do. I can't believe people are actually saying this .. it must be ok then to alter bank data, treasury data or any public database!!!

[Nothing Without Hope]

24. kick! Another piece to add to the emerging picture n/t

[liam97]

27. Hi Bill

I actuallly could not catch from the video the transcript thats on Conyers' letter - are they the same?

[tandem5]

28. thank you! nt

[Chi]

29. This is what he said that was so incriminating

He openly admitted helping them avoid a full recount (somehow using under votes and overvotes).

Then proceeded to tell them he was in 5 other counties as well,
which all were 'fortunate' enough to avoid a full recount as well.

House-O-Cards is getting a bit shaky

[shiina]

30. analysis and questions

Okay.

This confirms portions of Eaton's testimony, which makes the rest of her story much more credible.

It shows that this was going on all over...He visited 6 counties, and there are 5 technicians. Does 5 include him, or are there 6 in total? Does he say that the other techs did similar things?

He admits to going out to 6 counties to "answer questions" and "help" them with the recount. As I understand it, TRIAD sent out people without being asked. Do they have any basis for doing this?

Now, no one is supposed to do anything to the machines without permission, but what does this mean legally? Is this considered fraud, like Blackwell's interference with people inspecting records is, or is this something that can be brushed off as an "error" or maybe "miscommunication"? As I understand it, at the very least, it's illegal. So what happens? Who goes to jail? What does it mean for the recount?

[ohio_liberal]

31. What were the 6 counties?

He kind of mumbles there. Did he say Harrison County??

[ohio_liberal]

33. Info on Harrison County

Just a blurb in the Plain Dealer:

"The candidates also lost votes in Harrison County, which also acknowledged a counting glitch in its early results."

http://www.cleveland.com/news/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/news/1102070209311320.xml

Anyone know more about Harrison County's "glitch"?

[Nothing Without Hope]

32. kick! N/T

[keepthemhonest]

34. wow

wow


wow


wow

[merh]

35. Kick

drop :kick: to keep this from dropping!

[mzmolly]

36. Interesting thanks.

eom

[weeve]

39. This plus Conyers latest...

It does seem like it's all (slowly) starting to come together. This info in addition to Conyer's latest request for clarifications , etc. could just be the crack in the dam that we've been waiting for.

IMPOUND ALL THE MACHINES NOW!

DEMAND NETWORKS RELEASE ALL RAW EXIT POLL DATA!

John Edwards , get involved, get involved ... speak up!

[Nothing Without Hope]

40. That tech didn't seem to realize he had done anything illegal

But the facts of what he said were damning, it seemed to me.

[Quakerfriend]

41. What about the FBI observing him repeat what he had done to the machines?

They brought this out just 2 days ago. Said, no fraud suspected?? Anyone remember this thread?

[corky44]

42. I like that Conyers letter asks

whose dime the tech was on when he
"fixed the battery"
That would be interesting to know.

[BeHereNow]

43. The Rape of Lucrece: A lesson for George Bush

"Those that much covet are with gain so fond,
For what they have not, that which they possess
They scatter and unloose it from their bond,
And so, by hoping more, they have but less;
Or, gaming more, the profit of excess
Is but to surfeit, and such griefs sustain,
That they prove bankrupt in this poor-rich gain.
The aim of all is but to nurse the life
With honour, wealth, and ease, in waning age;
And in this aim there is such thwarting strife,
That one for all, or all for one we gage;
As life for honour in fell battles' rage;
Honour for wealth; and oft that wealth doth cost
The death of all, and all together lost."
William Shakespeare

And so it is... the Roman empire is about to fall again due to
the blind greed and lust of the BFEE, our modern dayTarquin.
BWAHAHAHAH!

Thanks Will for the video.
BHN

[Smirking_Chimp]

44. Excellent

A few questions I like them to ask, What about the 3% recount machines that he told them to use? Who sold them the software program? Why was he carrying parts in his jacket, instead of a handtruck, or carry them in, in full view of everyone there?
Good job Will!:)