If Triad really had remote access to tabulating machines

[QuidditchFan]

Then we have our silver bullet. It is not necessarily impropriety but the APPEARANCE of impropriety that will get people really, really interested in all of this, especially given the disparity between exit polls and actuals.

I personally think that this is the biggest news that has come out since the election.

[johnny walker]

1. It's called a MODEM and a dial up connection

Somebody better explain to Conyers what a computer is.

[QuidditchFan]

3. It could be a hell of a lot more than that

[johnny walker]

5. Seriously, this is what it is!

I called Conyers office and the girl there told me it was concern over the modem they realized was in many election offices.

[troubleinwinter]

23. "the girl there"... you're saying Conyers' office hires children?

[RevCheesehead]

40. .

:) :thumbsup:

[Dancing_Dave]

43. It's Christmas and We're All Children

Of Franklin Roosevelt.
:grouphug:

[buddysmellgood]

33. I was in Ohio for the recount. I SAW the modem cable. I ASKED the election

official, and she TOLD me that Triad had dialed in to her tabulator before the recount. It's fact. She will tell anyone who asks her. She does not dipute the fact. Triad will admit they did this. They say it was to suppress the count on the races not being recounted.

[Name removed]

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[pointsoflight]

7. And if used to "patch" certified software, that's illegal. n/t

[johnny walker]

8. look,, not if they have rights to the software!

[AmerDem]

11. you're stepping in your own shit

You see this is the very problem behind all of the e-voting fraud. These repuked owned companies hold "proprietary license" over the software that determines our country's democratic process. I personally can't wait until the majority of uniformed American finally get this info. What do you think their reaction will be? LOL

BTW, Welcome to DU, hope you enjoy your stay.

[Red State Blues]

45. Look, It's called You don't know what the F* you're talking about!

Of course it's a modem and a phone line dummy. But it's not supposed to be hooked up during an election!

Having rights to the software has nothing to do with it. If I buy proprietary software from Microsoft I still get to set limits on how much access THEY have to it once I've bought it.

Get a clue or get the fuck out.

[pointsoflight]

48. Um, no. A federal agency must certify the software.

The certification itself is pathetic, but that's another story. But the point is that the software must be certified before being placed on any machines. Once certified, that software can not be changed. Any changes or patches would have to, themselves, be certified or they're illegal.

Diebold added non-certified patches to their software in California. That's why they were sued and ended up having to come to a $2.6 million settlement.

[Zan_of_Texas]

52. Pathetic, yes. Federal, no, wrong.

The certification is a sham. It is not by a federal agency, it is by "independent testing authorities," three of them total, which answer to no one. They are paid by....

wait for it.....

the voting machine companies themselves.

Diebold not only didn't even accomplish the weak certification in California, they lied about their machines -- they knew in advance the batteries were causing problems, which resulted in meltdowns on election day. CA officials who sat through hearings with Diebold got so disgusted one of them called Diebold's behavior "despicable."

[democrat_patriot]

9. So you don't find remote access to a voting machine troubling?

Remote access cannot happen. Whether it's a modem, DSL, T1 whatever!!

I was under the impression remote access (in any way) was not allowed to voting machines.

[bear425]

13. Of course he does not find it troubling...

These people don't believe in democracy or fair elections. And they must be getting really worried because they are spending an awful lot of time here!

[democrat_patriot]

22. First they laugh at you...

The more they post, the more we know were on the right track.

Today has been a good day.

[bear425]

25. Then you win...

Ghandi was a very smart individual. Yes, it has been a very good day, indeed.

[me b zola]

37. The MSM did a piece on this before the election

They were saying that there was no access to a modem. I don't recall what state this was in, nor the type of machine they were talking about. The piece (of propaganda) was meant to convince us that the election was safe from hackers.:eyes:

[senseandsensibility]

30. Another cheery post, I see!

They're greatly appreciated here at DU, obviously, not only for their witty insight, but for their tolerant, helpful tone. The objective fairness and willingness to look at all sides of the issue is also breathtaking. Look forward to more lecturing and hectoring.:puke: Enjoy your stay.

[txindy]

32. Absolutely

The next thing we'll learn is that Triad has keys to every locked door/cabinet/drawer in Ohio's government. Why not, right? That's what keys are for. :eyes:

And to think most election officials actually put their machines under lock and key to keep them from being tampered with! All they had to do was leave them on the sidewalk with a working modem attached.

You don't work in computer security, do you? Just a guess.

[corky44]

55. wtf does that mean?

[Kota]

2. I agree.

[pointsoflight]

6. What we have and what we don't have.

Some keep asking for the concrete "proof" of fraud. Well, we don't have that, in the sense of having a witness to vote stealing.

But we all need to be clear that we DO have this:

1) Clear evidence of voter suppression and disenfranchisement
2) Clear evidence of machine tampering
3) Clear violations of Ohio election laws that amount to prima facie fraud as defined by the Ohio constitution

[megalith]

10. Need HELP with DOS cmd on Triad DIR tree

Hello all
New poster and cannot start thread. I am working with the directory tree for installations of Triads Electab software in Ohio. Here is what I need. Please find me a DOS person to tell me the proper command so that I can get it out to our people in the field.

Knowing the name of a file, we need to locate that file on the hard disk and print its location, file size and last modified date.

I need the DOS command to do this from the root directory,, C:\

Now is a chance for DU to really help efforts with the recount :)

Orren Whiddon
SE Ohio Regional Co-ord
Green Party

[megalith]

14. More on DOS request

Perhaps a senior poster could copy this as a thread and post it.

This is in fact urgent
best

Orren

[gulogulo]

16. DIR name.ext /s - execute it from root directory n/t

[rabid_nerd]

35. GULO GULO IS RIGHT

If you know the name of the file and it's DOS, it's simple..

C:\> DIR file.txt /s

 Volume in drive C has no label.
 Volume Serial Number is 1081-ABCD

 Directory of C:\Documents and Settings\YOURNAME

12/10/2003  03:56p                 577 file.txt
               1 File(s)            577 bytes
               0 Dir(s)   9,137,747,968 bytes free

[democrat_patriot]

17. What OS are you using? Or is it strictly a DOS machine?

Before Windows 2000 find command

After Win2K findstr will work.

If you can get into windows, run search from the start menu.

[roseBudd]

21. Triad uses Visual FoxPro n/t

[KingoftheJungle]

18. Here ya go

http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000309.htm

Actually that should cover you. If you need more help with DOS check out http://www.computerhope.com/overview.htm for a full list of commands and explanations

[harmonyguy]

19. Depending on the version of DOS......

Where filename.ext is the file you're looking for,you could use

DIR filename.ext /S

This will look for the file named filename.ext in all directories and subdirectories on the given drive, and should provide the information you require.

One caveat - I don't recall if the /S switch has always been in DOS or was added only in later versions.

Hope this helps
HG

[rabid_nerd]

38. it's been in there since at least DOS 4 I think

Maybe at least MS-DOS and PC-DOS/IBM-DOS 5.0 I think...

[DoYouEverWonder]

44. From a C prompt

DIR will give you list of directories

then enter

C:CD\nameofdirectory

do DIR again and you can see the files in that directory.


A: is usually the floppy drive
B: not normally used
C: is usually the hard drive and default
D: might be a second hard drive or zip drive
E: CD ROM

Let me know if you need anything else. I still have an original DOS manual laying around here somewhere.

DYEW

[megalith]

47. DOS questions for Triad system

Thanks all, just back to read your responces, will check in a moment.

We have to be able to relay the commands over voice phone to people who are not computer literate, and with systems whose directory structure varies from machine to machine.
Thanks again
Orren

[mackdaddy]

12. They Did not need Remote access. They Ran them Election nite

Here in hocking county Ohio the triad technician "Juan" personally ran the punch cards through the tabulator machine as the BOE people gave them to him, and he gave them back the result printouts on election night.

Triad also programmed the tabulator machine for all of the races and each precincts "rotation" data before hand too, and made the flip books which go in the punch card voting booths. They also provide the network and computers for keeping all of the voter registration data and printing out the precinct signature books. A one stop shop for 41 of Ohio's 88 counties.

And the BOE had complete trust in Triad and did not question anything they did until the Michael guy from Triad started talking about cheat sheets hidden on the wall with other papers. They still think they are OK-- see Sherole Eaton's comments in the Wire News story (lost the link).

When you have unlimited free access, who needs remote control?

[KoKo]

15. ES &S Systems does the same thing. They advertise on their website

that they can handle anything the State Election officials need in the way of software for candidates, polling books, polling for candidates, printing ballots on short notice, customizing ballots...etc.

It was frightening reading that. Especially knowing they are Repugs.

[euler]

20. Remote access is a selling point.

I wouldn't be surprosed if the county did not mandate remote access. Big nothing here.

[shraby]

24. Remote access to tabulators for

voting machines is a huge no-no. Especially when it's from an outside party.

[Joe Chi Minh]

27. Don't

demoralise them even more, shraby!

[EC]

31. I say again

check the phone records, see where the modems dialed out to...

[s-cubed]

26. If Triad did not have remote access, how did they have unofficial

results on their servier at 11:00 pm on 11/2/04?

[shraby]

29. I have one from a GEMS

tabulator for Brevard co., Florida the time on it is 10:44

General Election
Brevard County, Florida
November 2, 2004 11/02/04
22:44:17

[Nothing Without Hope]

42. Can you explain this a bit more, please?

This is from remote access? A local adjustment? What, exactly? Please explain for the less savvy of us.

Thanks!

[shraby]

51. GEMS has a lot of county results

online. Most have been updated now, but if you type in GEMS election results 2004 you'll find them. If you click on cached pages, you might be able to find the earlier results.
GEMS is the tabulator for Diebold.

[Nothing Without Hope]

54. Thanks! I hope the trail of manipulation can be documented N/T

[DoYouEverWonder]

50. In FL the systems have internal modems

the results are transmitted from the precincts to the Board of Elections office as soon as the polls close.

When the SOE confirms the results by comparing the numbers transmitted to the tapes that were posted at the precincts, those totals are then transmitted via the internet to the Sec of State in Tallahassee.

Those are the only two times that data and information should be transferred. Everything else is tampering.

[Carolab]

28. Still trying, euler?

I'm not surprosed

[understandinglife]

34. Our metric of success is in exponential, rising phase now!!

I call it the "freeper gasping" metric.

And, here's a little quote that is all we needed to bring the entire catastrophe into crystal clear perspective:

"The Director for Fulton told me that Triad is able to reprogram the computer to count only the Presidential ballots by remote dial-up. I do not know when after the election that occurred."

"County officials were cooperative."

— Green Party County Coordinator
Henry County Recount

(I've saved that site as a file and screen shot)

**************
For all those who truly understand the implications of that statement, we've got a 'smoking cannon', not merely a 'smoking gun.' And, you betcha, this info and more has been sent to Congressman Conyers, Mr Arnebeck and many others.

Peace.

[corky44]

56. That is just about the best xmas present

this boy could hope for. What about phone logs?
If the pigs did get into the tabulators before the recount
would there be a trail with the ISP?

[farmbo]

36. This sure as hell explains the Warren Co "Terror Lock Down" on Nov 2nd!

Phony FBI and DHS agents giving phony "Terror alerts" to a single, semi-rural county where Republicans have total control of the courthouse...

The public and the press are summarily excluded from the courthouse and the BOE retreats to their central tabulation room, no doubt with their helpful Triad Governmental Systems technician at their side...

With computer remote access to 41 other Ohio counties' tabulators, they would only have to flip 1500 or so votes in each county to steal the election...

And democracy in the process.

:grr:

edit for spelling

[understandinglife]

39. Congressman Conyers 23 Dec 2004 (next) letter to Triad

http://rawstory.rawprint.com/1204/conyers_triadnew_122304.php

Peace.

[GetTheRightVote]

41. Help for the DOS commands and info on them.

FASTHELP Displays a listing of MS-DOS commands and information about them.

I can not for the life of me believe that they allowed remote access by Triad but then would not even let us touch the ballots during the recount process in Ohio. This is just amazing to me.

Talk about the fox watching the hen house, oh boy, this is really rich.

:grr:

It is looking like they have the goods on them if they are following these kinds of paths for research.

[Dancing_Dave]

49. It's amazing how much progress we've made in 2 months!

Merry Christmas!

[Zan_of_Texas]

53. Like a magician -- the attention is directed elsewhere.

Let's say there was a count of a bank's money.

They set up the observers and the recounters over here, and you guys and gals count the pennies and the nickels. The quarters are counted over HERE, and the observers have to say, "Hey, let us see THOSE too." After a little resistance, the officials relent.

Meanwhile, the hundred dollar bills are in the back. The real bills are being trucked out in 18-wheelers, while counterfeit Monopoly money is being trucked in.

The people in front think they are being vigilant, and the press sniffs that the recounters of the coins will never find anything.

The modem access trumps EVERYthing. It can function like 18-wheelers out back, moving votes by the thousands.

Like changing channels on your TV with the remote from your armchair, no muss, no fuss.

[caligirl]

46. So much for the 'secret ballot' no need to ask how we voted for polls