VT electors call for contest of OH electoral votes

[pointsoflight]

Vermont Electors Request Senators and Congressperson to Refuse to Certify Ohio Electors
Dec. 15 (EIRNS)--VERMONT ELECTORS DENOUNCE UNCONSTITUTIONAL RESTRICTION OF RIGHT TO VOTE; CALL FOR CONGRESS TO TAKE UP VALIDITY OF OHIO VOTE. The following resolution is in the process of adoption by the three certified electors of the state of Vermont. It is expected to be released to the public on Monday. The full text follows:

- Resolution - WHEREAS our democracy depends on fair elections; and WHEREAS troubling questions have been raised about the integrity of Ohio's 2004 presidential election by many members of Congress; and WHEREAS the Ohio vote was marred by significant irregularities, discrepancies, anomalies and other problems as disclosed by US Representative John Conyers, and a number of members of the House Judiciary Committee and elsewhere in the Congress, and WHEREAS the Government Accounting Office is undertaking a systematic and comprehensive review of election irregularities in Ohio, Florida, New Mexico and certain other states, the Congress having received about 57,000 complaints about voting machine breakdowns, inaccuracies, intimidation, suppression and other and similar violations of voter rights, and WHEREAS unequal and discriminatory voter access and treatment, as may have occurred in Ohio and elsewhere, violate the Equal Protection guarantee of the Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment and would call into question the validity of Elector certification from Ohio and certain other states under the Electoral Count Act (3 USC S5) and the teachings of Bush v. Gore, and as a result the Congress could decide that Elector votes from Ohio and certain other states were not "regularly given" by properly certified Electors under the Act (3 USC S15), and WHEREAS the Congress could determine the validity of Electoral college votes from Ohio and certain other states following receipt by the Senate President of Objections from at least one member of the house and one member of the Senate, and WHEREAS as citizens and Electors, we are committed to fair elections and equal voting rights for all,

THEREFORE IT IS RESOLVED that that Senators Jeffords and Leahy and Representative Sanders (1) give due and sufficient consideration to the results of the ongoing investigation of voting irregularities in Ohio's 2004 presidential election; (2) support the GAO's inquiry into and review of thousands of reports of systemic and other 2004 voting and election deficiencies; (3) sponsor or otherwise support legislation (a) mandating paper records, trails, or backups for all absentee ballots under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), (b) uniform rules for the issuance and tabulation of provisional and absentee ballots under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA), and (c) sufficient funding for full and fair implementation of HAVA; and (4) if warranted by evidence of widespread violations of voter constitutional rights in the 2004 election in Ohio and certain other states, as now appears, under 3 U.S.C S15 on the ground that such Electoral certifications are invalid and that, as a result, these Electoral votes were not regularly given by qualified, legal elections.''

http://www.vermontguardian.com/national/0904/Electors.shtml

[arcos]

1. Vermont is an anti-American communist state!!!!

</sarcasm>

:eyes:

[Pacifist Patriot]

3. *gasp*

more sarcasm ;)

[Clark2008]

15. Hahahaha!

:thumbsup:

Good one.

[Higans]

32. Thank you for the information!

On the continuing question of "How do you audit a vapor vote?"

Is E-Voting ME-Voting? Prove it!

This is the case the the Main Stream Media won't go near. instead they will talk about Scott Peterson for hours, or some puppy down a well when the real story....the one they won't touch....is that democracy is under attack by hackers.

[Chimpanzee]

44. COMMIE BASTARDS!!! #$%@Q%

[maryallen]

46. Go Vermont!

Get 'em ...

[McCamy Taylor]

2. wtg Vermont!

[KansDem]

4. Damn! Now this *is* getting serious! (eom)

[Pithy Cherub]

5. WOW Vermont WOW!

:wow: May it catch on before 1/6/05! :wow:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

6. Yeah Vermont!!!!!

[GetTheRightVote]

7. The tide is finally turning, the Elected know they have our ear and

we have their backs. The two groups together will defeat this evil regime, ops, adminstration and get proper elections and representatives, hurrray.

:bounce:

[Kellis]

8. ..................

:wow: HA!!!


Thank You for posting this!!!:bounce:

[Kellis]

9. Get this to KO!!

We gotta get Keith on this~Maybe he will talk about it tonight.

[Clark2008]

16. He's on vacation

But, he may blog about it.

He's already gone back on his word that he wouldn't blog anymore until he gets back: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6667405/#041222a

[Kellis]

19. o yeah...

:(

[pointsoflight]

10. Apparently the electors from five states did this.

Not sure why we missed it last week...

Another thing ignored by MSM...

[Kellis]

12. What!??

What other states!????Omg...this is incredible.

[pointsoflight]

14. Vermont, Maine, Mass, Cal, and NC

"Breaking with tradition, electors in at least five states have called for a congressional investigation of voting violations during the Nov. 2 election for president. Electors in Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts, California, and North Carolina registered their concerns as they cast their votes last week."

http://www.vermontguardian.com/national/0904/Electors.shtml

[Clark2008]

17. North Carolina??

Really?

I realize that Edwards is from there, but this is still pretty amazing for that red state!

Wow!

[pointsoflight]

20. Yep, a red state. n/t

[AndrewClarke]

26. Don't get too excited; read this quote from the linked article:

"In North Carolina, Democratic electors and activists talked about local problems while Republicans voted inside."

[Kellis]

29. hahaha

oh yeah OK!

I won't get too excited....lol.....history is only being made But theres nothing to get too excited about-RIIIIGHT

[AndrewClarke]

41. My point is . . .

. . . the electors who were speaking up in North Carolina were not the Republican electors who were actually voting. They were the Democratic electors who would have been voting had Kerry won NC. They were protesting outside.

[Kellis]

45. ..........................

the point is-this is unprecedented-History in the making and definitly something to be excited about.

[Kellis]

18. .........

haha-I didn't realize there was an article too~I wrote them a note of thanks expressing my gratitude that they are doing the work of true journalist and how I wished more news sources would follow their lead....

again thank you for this incredible news pointsoflight :hug:
(oh and I sent this to KO too)

[Carolab]

30. Correct. And this group was responsible for lobbying MASS:

www.caef.us

Go there to find out how they are working on selected senators now.

[Peace Patriot]

60. Letter to Vermont Guardian. Hoorah to the Electors! Kick!

I just went to the Vermont Guardian site, linked by "pointsoflight" above, and wrote them a letter:

"Dear Editor: I've just found your article, 'Electors call for national voting reforms' on line, through democraticunderground.com, and I want to thank you for it. It reveals that 2004 presidential Electors in Vermont and several other states, including my own state of California, are objecting to the vote suppression and election fraud in Ohio, and are asking Congress not to accept the Ohio Bush Electors. This is a very important news story and I did not see it elsewhere. I'm finding that the small independent local papers like yours and the Lone Star Iconoclast in Crawford, Texas, are the only honest and reliable mainstream news sources in the country. I applaud you!"

They sound like a kickass paper. Other titles on that page: "International Atomic Energy chief makes Bush hit list," "Thousands have deserted Iraq war," "Army blacklists Denver newspaper," and "Police chief says drug war has failed." They also advertiste "Bee Balm" products (great stuff!).

We need to support newspapers like this. They are rare jewels inside the Iron Curtain of the Bush Propaganda Machine.

[IndyPriest]

24. Points: this is incredible!

This is the kind of thing that starts to roll. If 5 have already done this, there's a pretty good chance 5 or even 15 more will by Jan. 6. Wouldn't THAT be something! I wonder how congress will react to a couple hundred of the presidential electors telling them they smell something fishy??

[Niche]

11. I'm stuned! OMG...

could someone please clarify this for me... is this saying that the following are Senators are involved? Sorry for my daft-ness... Oh my...

"THEREFORE IT IS RESOLVED that that Senators Jeffords and Leahy and Representative Sanders "


Oh my... breathless...

[Quakerfriend]

13. Yahooooooooooo!

What are the other states besides VT!

[Niche]

21. NEEDS A KICK!!!

:dem:

[FogerRox]

25. We here in Nj are trying to get ours to do the same---

The human excrement is truly hitting the rotary impelar

HAHAHAHAHAHahhaha Ihdosidjfpaco'so

[AndrewClarke]

27. This is NOT saying that Senators Jeffords and Leahy are involved

It's saying that Vermont's electors WANT Jeffords and Leahy to get involved.

[Straight Shooter]

22. This article was posted in the Vermont Guardian, apparently, on Dec. 22

At first I thought it might have been December 15.

They expressed concerns about a reported 57,000 complaints. Also a great quote in there about Justice delayed is justice denied.

In California, one elector cast his ballot provisional upon “all votes being counted — provisional, absentee, under- and over-votes, computerized without paper ballots, even getting valid votes from those turned away illegally, intimidated, discouraged by incredibly long waits, etc.”

This is an attempt to get the message read on the floor of Congress prior to certification on Jan. 6, when the ballots are opened.

“Never has such a vote been cast by an elector,” said Grace Ross, an organizer of the national effort to support electors to take action, and a member of Truth in Elections. “And without a parliamentarian to rule it in or out at the Electoral College level, we await whether Congress will acknowledge this type of provisional vote and address the issues this elector sought to raise, or whether they, too, will ignore provisional votes.”

In North Carolina, Democratic electors and activists talked about local problems while Republicans voted inside. Elector Mary Roe mentioned problems she witnessed as an election observer in her own county. State officials admit that 4,500 votes disappeared in a computerized voting machine crash.

[dweller]

23. the text in your thread

does not match the text on the link page.

dp

[BernieBear]

28. The Sh*t is really going to start hitting the fan

.... I' really beginning to believe that this is going to blow up on B*sh.

Oh baby, this makes my day.......

:bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[Obviousman]

31. YEEEAARGGHH!

A Dean scream for good luck!
William Donohue

[crispini]

33. Wow, great news-- and we completely missed it last week! n/t

[Farmgirl]

34. I LOVERMONT!! Now more than ever!!

:loveya: :loveya: :loveya:

[malatesta1137]

35. Blue States should boycott Red States

in every way imaginable, those evangelical nutbags wouldn't know what hit them.

[Peace Patriot]

56. Wrong, Malatesta, once again..

We DON'T KNOW how the "red"states voted--and I will make no judgments of them until we have fair, honest, and transparent election results from the 2004 election, or a re-vote. Personally, I think that many of these states rejected Bush Inc., if the truth were known.

[Eloriel]

36. Wow -- this took my breath away

Chills down my spine. Thanks for posting it.

[Melissa G]

37. There was at least one thread on this last week esp

The California provisional elector. I am not DU saavy enough to find it though.
HAPPY HAPPY HAPPY!!!!

[MelissaB]

39. Me, too!

I'm surprised, amazed, speechless!

:kick:

[sandnsea]

38. Five State's Electors

"Electors in Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts, California, and North Carolina registered their concerns as they cast their votes last week."

[TexasLawyer]

40. I love Vermont !!!

and Maine, and Massachusetts, and California, and North Carolina, too!

[me b zola]

42. 2005's man of the year,

could end up being a very large group of people:
Rep. Conyers
Rev.Jackson
Cliff Arebech (Sp.)
Will Pitt
TIA
the electoral collage
and who knows who else before it is over!!!

A discussion on an earlier thread talked about ending the electoral collage. I have always had conflicting thoughts on the subject. But this news heavily weighs on the side of continuing to use this system.

[s-cubed]

43. I love Vermont's independent thinkers!

[eowyn_of_rohan]

47. We need to contact electors in our own states -NOW

and ask them to follow Vermont's example

[Vidar]

48. Applauding he Vermont electors.

[keepthemhonest]

49. oh my god it is working

it's working, we may ahve a democracy after all.

thanks for posting such great news

[sepia_steel]

50. Awesome!!!

I did not know about this.

[FloridaCrat]

51. ILove Vermont, Maine, Massachusetts, California, and North Carolina

Thank you for this great news.

Merry Christmas

Happy Holidays !!!

Thank you Thank you
:toast:

[IndyPriest]

52. Does every electoral delegation have a "chair?" If so, how

do I find out who it is from Michigan? I'm going to write him/her a letter!

[stepnw1f]

53. Vermont Is A OK with Me

Not too far from me either. Yes....

Can you feel the tsunami. Is it becoming obvious to people here what we are witnessing? Bush will wish he wasn't Re-Selected. After all the investigating he will stand their in the now Black House, and be no more than an ineffectual icon. Sure he can still damage the country. It's the only thing he understands.

Creating is for a different breed of human being. Ever see kids build a sand castle, and then all of a sudden a shitty brat comes by and destroys it? That's sums up the mentality of the Right-Wing and over-privileged Douche bags like Hubris-George.

[loudsue]

54. Merry Kerry Kristmas!!! Does the inauguration ("coronation") go on as

planned if the House & Senate members contest the election results? Or does it change the plans for the 20th????

IOW, Does the treasonous, vote-stealing repuke majority in the congress have to finish their "investigation", and vote over the heads of those protesting the election before the 20th, or could this drag out??

:bounce: This is GREAT news!!! :bounce:
:kick::kick:

[lonestarnot]

55. Vermont we love you!

[Vinca]

57. I have never been more proud

to be a NATIVE VERMONTAH!!

[CoffeeCat]

58. and like Vermont maple syrup...

I hope this story "sticks" and is elevated to the national level.

I just spent the last 24 hours in a hotel with my kids (so my husband, aka Santa, could assemble our children's Christmas presents/toys at home). The only news to which I had access was CNN. I heard NOTHING about the election-fraud issues, or Kerry's involvement.

However, CNN did have some riveting stories. Daren Kagan had Karen Tumulty and other reporters discuss if certain celebrities were "naughty or nice". They ranked historical figures like Paris Hilton and Janet Jackson. Thinking that Larry King may offer some political conversation, I was disappointed to find that King's guest was Jack Hannah and a great horned owl.

I gave up and watched Sponge Bob.

[Digit]

59. Thank Goodness some electors are paying attention!

Now if only more would do the same!

[AzDar]

61. Hooray!!! America just may pull through thanx to brave folks like these !

n/t

[ecoalex]

62. Harvey Wasserman yesterday said Boxer will not stand up

In an interview yesterday on Democracy Now ! He said "it is unlikely Senator boxer will not accept the electorial college results. Boxer is not going to stand up for us. How is California with the Vt electors, when no Senator in Ca. will stand up ? I wrote 2 scathing emails to Boxer, she's sending out news letters about the next Congress, accepting bus* is pResident.Boxer is not with us.Feinstein, married to a defence contractor is a lost cause, she's all up in the elite's list of drones.

[ecoalex]

63. Even if some of Congress do protest, it goes to the whole House and Senate

Does anyone really think that the whole House, and Senate will halt the inauguration ? It would take a majority vote of BOTH CHAMBERS to suspend the coronation ? And pigs can fly .

[ecoalex]

64. INN news on Link Tv just had Rep Conyers on Kerry will Join Suit

This is momentous, as only Kerry can show irrepreable harm , contrasted to Cobb, as Kerry could be shown a winner, where Cobb , others cannot. Also, the DNC has said they will unlock funds to pay for Kerry's effort in Ohio. This is news.Will the major networks broadcast this?