Pitt! What did you know that we don't know! Where is the Kerry Filing....

[KoKo]

If this was a "Christmas Present" as "Advanced Pssssst! to us then I applaud him...because he gave us the "first hope" in awhile.

But, if Pitt was given false leak just to give us "false hope" then I'm very dismayed. As much as many of us needed any "straw" from Kerry to latch onto, I'd rather "die on the vine" than be given "false hopes" about Kerry or this "Election/Selection" coming to anymore in the way of "countering election fraud" that that "Fiasco" in FLA in 2000 did for Gore....

I don't want to hear "TEASERS" ...I want to know that our DEM PARTY is TRULY FIGHTING FOR US! AND ...THAT THEY WILL NEVER GIVE UP! :shrug:

Is that too much to ask??

Is it??

[Goldeneye]

1. They couldn't file yesterday because of the crappy weather in

Ohio, and the courts were closed today. Monday is the day.

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

10. Cobb Campaign filed TODAY ..12/24...but they have No Weight! n/t

[dzika]

3. "No one controls the weather, unfortunately. - wrp"

Will added this note to the story last night...

"Editor's Note | Due to a severe snowstorm, the Southern District courthouse was closed today, and Kerry's representatives were unable to file on this issue as intended. They will file on Friday, December 24 if the courthouse is open, or on Monday, December 27. In other words, they will file as soon as they are able to. No one controls the weather, unfortunately. - wrp"

(sorry if this is a dupe)

Link:
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404Y.shtml

[Skink]

6. Sounds like Kerry was Disenfranchised...

Although I think if he waited outside for ten hours in the snow it would make a statement.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

4. False Leak?

C'mon, Koko. Get a grip. It's Will we are talkin' 'bout here.

[KoKo]

11. Will is a definte "verifiable source," for DU....no Doubt about it! BUT...

who told him what? Was he given bogus info to "throw a bone to us activists" to get us through the "Holidays?"

Where is the "Kerry Filing?" Why isn't it posted and linked on "Buzzflash" which is hardly a "mainstream/rightist" onlin publicationl

Why is the BIG NEWS TODAY: "COBB CAMPAIGN FILES in OHIO" yet there's no link to the filing...much less a filing that lists Kerry???? :shrug:

[Samantha]

17. Maybe Cobb's attorneys filed electronically and Kerry's attorneys

don't have compatible software to do so ??? Maybe they need to file the good old fashioned way -- by hand, in person??? The latter requires the courthouse to be open.

[merh]

20. This link has the style of the case!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=194273&mesg_id=194273

Kerry is a party to the lawsuit! STOP IT. You are stressing over nothing.

[Samantha]

22. I am not stressing over anything; I am trying to assure those who are

there are numerous reasonable possibilities.

On edit: Oops! I now think you were not "talking" to me ....

[merh]

23. No sweat! Glad you are not stressing and are trying to

help those who are! Merry Christmas! :thumbsup:

[KoKo]

15. Hey....Pitt has "mucho" credibility with me...BUT...where's the Kerry

Filing? All I see is "Cobb filed." Cobb has no weight because according to Ohio Law he has to prove he will be "harmed" if he asks for the voting software and machines to be on "lockdown" pending "inspection."

:shrug: No "Buzzflash" story on this. :shrug:'

I sent this to some folks here and I feel like I "jumped the gun." I don't like to "GO" with news when it doesn't have "back up" from our own "liberal Dem" sources.

Why Cobb filing today with a "snowstorm." Where's Kerry? I think it's a reasonable question. ????

[pointsoflight]

5. No biggie, it's coming Monday. n/t

[GetTheRightVote]

7. I trust in Will P., I know it will happen Monday

I just hope that Ohio does something about it rather then dragging their feet some more......

:grr:

[George W. Hayduke]

8. Just Chill....

it's comin'.

[graywarrior]

9. Patience, grasshoppers

[KoKo]

12. "grasshoppers?" Excuse me here??? n/t

[Cyclical]

14. grasshoppers

Clearly you're not familiar with kung-fu movies. That's what the sensei always says to the upstart pupil. "Patience, grasshoppah!"

[KoKo]

18. Okay....got it...

:D although Cobb seems to be an "impatient twerp."

I have watched those movies....though...

[Pepper32]

13. It was reported on MSNBC (Countdown) also, doubt if it was a false leak.

[KoKo]

16. No One can explain it........dead issue......so I'll give it up....n/t

[Chimpanzee]

19. Several people explained it to you!

[merh]

21. I have tried to explain it to you in several posts in all of your

threads.

KERRY's CAMPAIGN IS A PARTY TO THE LITIGATION!
=============================================

The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of Ohio filing is styled:

U.S. District Court
Southern District of Ohio (Columbus)
CIVIL DOCKET FOR CASE #: 2:04-cv-01139-EAS-TPK

Plaintiff, Delaware County Prosecuting Attorney
David A. Yost, Delaware County Prosecuting Attorney

Plaintiff, Delaware County Board of Elections

V.

Defendant National Voting Rights Institute aka NVRI

Defendant David Cobb, Green Party Candidate through National Voting Rights Institute, aka NVRI

V.

Intervenor Defendant KERRY-EDWARDS 2004 INC

V.

Counter Defendant, J Kenneth Blackwell

Amicus, County Commissioners' Association of Ohio
County Commissioners' Association of Ohio

Amicus, Ohio Association of Election Officials
Ohio Association of Election Officials

Counter Claimant, National Voting Rights Institute aka NVRI

Counter Claimant David Cobb, Green Party Candidate through National Voting Rights Institute, aka NVRI

Counter Claimant Michael Badnarik, Libertarian Party Candidate through National Voting Rights Institute aka NVRI

V.

Counter Defendant, Delaware County Board of Elections
----------------------------------------------
According to the docket of the case, lawyers for Cobb AND Badnarik were able to electronically file the below documents yesterday (not today). (you can get this information at the Pacer Service on line, it is the system the US courts use for electronic access and docketing of the filings in its courts.)
============================================

12/23/2004 33 MOTION for Order to Preserve and for Leave to Take Limited Expedited Discovery by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

12/23/2004 34 Supplemental Memorandum Supporting re 33 MOTION for Order to Preserve and for Leave to Take Limited Expedited Discovery filed by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Attachments: # 1 Affidavit # 2 Affidavit # 3 Affidavit # 4 Affidavit # 5 Affidavit # 6 Affidavit # 7 Affidavit # 8 Affidavit # 9 Affidavit # 10 Affidavit)(Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

12/23/2004 35 Proposed Pretrial Order by Defendants David Cobb, Michael Badnarik, National Voting Rights Institute, Counter Claimants National Voting Rights Institute, David Cobb, Michael Badnarik. (Kerger, Richard) (Entered: 12/23/2004)

[WilliamPitt]

24. Oh Jesus fucking Christ

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=191969&mesg_id=191969

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x194753

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x194767

And the author's note here:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/122404Y.shtml

Some days this forum could use a huge dose of Thorazine.

If I have not yet earned the trust of my readers, I should walk into traffic tomorrow.

[trumad]

26. I hear ya Will....

The DU search engine is like Kryptonite to some here....

[Amaryllis]

34. Please explain where/how to use DU search engine. I'm new.

[GregD]

36. Have you made a contribution?

To benefit from all the functionality of DU, such as the search tool, you need to buck up. Give them a donation. Then, go to the top of http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=latest_threads and there is a "search" link.

[understandinglife]

27. You stay out of traffic and enjoy your much deserved time at home...

....and thank you for all you have done.

And, everyone else, all that matters is what you DO between now and 6 Jan 2004 to save our franchise of democracy. That's it. If Senator Kerry doesn't stand on that day, it is likely other Senators will, because of Will's efforts, David Lytel's efforts, and let me tell you I'd probably need a gigabyte of space to list all those who are busting their butts to protect our Constitution.

It's "WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA IN ORDER TO FORM A MORE PERFECT UNION....." OK. Not, Senator Kerry, not Senator Obama, not Congressman Conyers or Waters --- ITS YOU, YOU, YOU -- get it.

Chill. Eat some good food, drink some wine, hug your loved ones and fight, fight, fight until we make it happen on 6 Jan 2005.

Peace and respect to all of you.

[KaliTracy]

28. Will....you *have* earned the trust of your readers

and this reader blasted your first information about Triad to all Ohio Print and radio Media :

"This concerned citizen of the United States wants some answers. Answers that aren't off-the-cuff, but are detailed, with examples and references, to convince me that what is going on in Ohio (and this recent election) has been Normal, Expected, and just Nothing of Consequence.

If you haven't seen accounts recently, some interesting information has appeared -- information that should probably be thoroughly investigated before being dismissed.

The following article posted in this e-mail is from TruthOut, and of the links posted below, one is from the Columbus FreePress, and the other is from bella ciao. All deserve your time, and hopefully, the decision to push forward for more investigation of these matters.

bello ciao Article http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4816 Title: Electors Across the US Break Traditional Pro Forma Ritual to use Electoral College to Protest Election (for example, one elector from California voted "provisionally -- contingent that every vote was counted....")

FreePress Article http://freepress.org/departments/display/19/2004/996 Title: Ohio vote count battles escalate amidst new evidence of potential criminal activity


Kind Regards.
XXXXXX
XXXXXX
****


TruthOut Article: ( http://www.truthout.org/ ) (sent them the entire article in the e-mail instead of a link (with propoer credit) so it was in-their-face).

****************

THANK YOU... for all you have done, for all you are doing.... for believing that all is not lost (which it is NOT, unless we just all collectively sigh, roll over and go back to sleep). THIS reader embraces what you are doing, and needs your objective eye and important vision.... and will never self-doubt myself again for thinking things are *weird* with what is going on in our government, in our world. You have given me validation. THIS reader has been awakened, and energized by your (and others) investigation in this matter.

Have a very safe and warm holiday.

[WilliamPitt]

30. Thank you

:warmfuzzies:

I was the one who put out that Electors article on truthout, btw. Fascinating stuff. I'm going to be in DC on the 6th. Hopefully those electors will be there, too.

Thanks again.

[KaliTracy]

31. I hope they are there too....

I will not make it to Washington on the 6th, not unless a plane ticket 2-way falls from the sky -- but I will be in Columbus on the 3rd (I live in Ohio).

[KoKo]

29. I just answered in your separate post...but Merry Christmas to You and

to All a Good Night...may this be the last Christmas we spend like this...in Bush Hell...

Enjoy your holiday....and thanks for giving us hope for a bit...

[catnhatnh]

32. 90% of us get it Will,

So if you MUST, then make it light traffic...Merry Christmas

[ValleyGirl]

33. LOL! n/t

;)

[Nothing Without Hope]

25. Will Pitt alerted DUers yesterday evening: filing delayed by weather

Here is the DU thread where Will told us about the delay and that he had updated his piece on Kerry's filing at TruthOut.org:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x191969

The delay is unfortunate. However, I still enjoyed the following exchange in that thread:

Liberty Belle: (Message 2 - Response to Original message)
"Damn. I thought surely God was a Democrat."

Clark2008:  (Message 20 - Response to Reply #2)
"Maybe He is... and he knew that the MSM wouldn't pick up the story over Christmas weekend."

Nice that our side of these politicial battles has the brains and the humor!

[malatesta1137]

35. but we had snow on Wednesday!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=105&topic_id=2285513#